Sigh. Don't have any Starfleet interest. Wish I had known a couple of seasons ago that other factions would be so ignored by their own developers.
It's only Monday. There are still plenty of days left in the week for the devs to announce any analogous KDF or RRW ships to be released concurrent to this one.
I was unreasonable optimistic earlier, but unless I vastly underestimate the power and influence of trendy, I think KDF and RRW Carrier is not coming this week. She mentioned she was working on convincing the devs, basically. (Which I think is really convincing the bean counters. I doubt the devs or artists lack ideas or interest in doing it.)
I'm working on trying to make another campaign that would have ships for our Romulan and KDF friends
Unless you have some way to only allow KDF or RRW players vote on the KDF or RRW ships, I fear your poll will be 75% trolling.
Right. Because, as you know, UFP players are a homogeneous blob filled with nothing but contempt for the less popular factions.
More seriously, I'd like to see a Romulan design for a dedicated carrier, and would LOVE to see what the Cryptic of today would design in place of the Vo'Quv for KDF.
One thing i was thinking with how we are getting alot of larger ships like the carrier here, the command ships, and the dreadnoughts that can use yet at a less effective manner the dual cannons, and that it would be nice to see either a universal console or ship trait that would improve effective usage of these weapons on the ships. An then i thought what about a trait that would increase the firing arc of the dual/dual-heavy cannons you have equipped, with the increased arc being based on the size catagory/class of the ship, and then as increasing the arc size of these should come with a penalty i would say the damage output or rate of fire should be reduced based on the size/category of the ship. One big reason i am thinking on this is that many of these larger ships an even hanger-using ships that can load dual/dual heavy cannons are just not that effective at utilizing them like they should be, which such a change would yet still making escorts an smaller ships that can use dual/heavy cannons the most effective though.
Well, usually, the idea behind a ship like this one using heavy cannons is that it sends its fighter craft in first, then kind of lingers at the edge of weapons range, firing on select targets, and not really getting any closer than that. Basically just pouring weapons fire and CC abilities into the battlefield, keeping enemies at bay. Battlecruisers have a similar idea behind them, but they basically just boost their damage output while slowly closing in on a target; a carrier keeps its distance and uses its abilities and its attendant craft to pin and wither foes away.
You can't use the same tactics as an Escort with these ships, because they're completely different beasts, despite being able to use the same class of weapons. You have to look at the ship as a whole and base a plan off of that, and not just base it off of the weapons it can use.
Very much indeed. Imagine a Scatter Volley from MK XIV Quad cannons into a Grav Welled mob! I cannae wait to get my hand on her ample nacelles....lol.
And she's got FOUR of them. Woohoo!
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in all seriousness this is on the must have list for me. I got the yamato recently...lovely ship, totally happy with it as a dreadnought, but no GW capable seating so my science toon lusts for the power of the GW!
Might have considered replacing my main's JHDC with one of these, if not for only having 3 fore weapons.
Might still get one for the two Fed Science chicks, though. I'm not really fond of any of the existing T6 Sci options (except the Annorax, which I can't get, of course) and those Vestas are looking shabby.
What do you mean "looking shabby"
No T6 abilities, which is pretty much a deal-breaker these days. I packed one of the Sci girls into a Fed T6 HEC for that reason. The other really ought to be flying her Nandi instead of the Vesta.
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Presumably, with the servers being taken offline today instead of Thursday, the Jupiter class is set to be released today?
I was wondering the same thing.
there was nothing in the patch notes and there has been no mention of a launch for today. So it's not looking likely, unless they announce it after maintenance.
But with no patching on thurs due to holiday, Jupiter seems unlikely to make its appearance until december 3rd maint. Though I would love it before then. But I'm just an impatient person =p
when this ship is released its ready for a BIN on up release... sorry but this ship is rigged from the start also they way they made it wep/boff layout screems f you communitie .. not even talking about pets that just dont have AI and search for warpcore breaches only compared with cannons come one now cryptics what whas you guys thinking ?? nobody in his right mind is gonne buy this ship. 2 way lose for player base and devs in my opnion.
i will be waiting for another nice LB carrier or promo carrier to get my bets in this ship is just a insult to injury!
Been wanting a proper carrier on Fed side, Sure there was the Catian one (Which I'm still eventually going to get), but this is a proper Fed ship.. Now we just need T6 Kling side one as my old T5 Carrier needs a refit to T6, My sci on Kling side is in The Kar Fi (T5-U) but it sounds.. odd, rather have a less unusual sounding carrier on Kling side., but a T6 on Kling side would be nice.. I'm sure our Rom players want one too.
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Been wanting a proper carrier on Fed side, Sure there was the Catian one (Which I'm still eventually going to get), but this is a proper Fed ship.. Now we just need T6 Kling side one as my old T5 Carrier needs a refit to T6, My sci on Kling side is in The Kar Fi (T5-U) but it sounds.. odd, rather have a less unusual sounding carrier on Kling side., but a T6 on Kling side would be nice.. I'm sure our Rom players want one too.
Yeah, I'm stoked for a T6 Vo'Quv/VoD'leh update. I have a soft spot for this glorious beast. Since my current Klingon character is more a battlecruiser kinda warrior, I would roll up another Klingon character just to use a KDF T6 carrier at endgame.
I am planning to pass on this ship. The tactical layout is horrible. The T6 skill does not look useful for a carrier at all. Worse the pets use cannons.
I have been flying carriers for a long time. Do you know how bad pet AI is? Do you know how often those cannons will EVER be in arc to fire? Until they fix pet AI it is just not a good idea to use cannons or they need to give them ridiculous damage so that the dps is okay based on how much time they spend on target.
I would say from a science and tactical standpoint the Sarr Theln with frigate pets is a superior carrier in every way.
I will wait and see what others report to make a final decision but for right now it looks like there is no way I would fly this.
It is sad because it would be so easy to fix. Give the pets beam weapons and fire at will (only because pet AI is bad)
Swap the lt cmdr engineering with lt tactical, put the intel seat on the universal slot, change the console layout to 2 engineering, 5 science and 4 tactical or 3 engineering, 4 science and 4 tactical.
Sigh. Don't have any Starfleet interest. Wish I had known a couple of seasons ago that other factions would be so ignored by their own developers.
It's only Monday. There are still plenty of days left in the week for the devs to announce any analogous KDF or RRW ships to be released concurrent to this one.
I was unreasonable optimistic earlier, but unless I vastly underestimate the power and influence of trendy, I think KDF and RRW Carrier is not coming this week. She mentioned she was working on convincing the devs, basically. (Which I think is really convincing the bean counters. I doubt the devs or artists lack ideas or interest in doing it.)
I'm working on trying to make another campaign that would have ships for our Romulan and KDF friends
Unless you have some way to only allow KDF or RRW players vote on the KDF or RRW ships, I fear your poll will be 75% trolling.
Hmmm, your fear is missplaced. Many fed players are kdf and rom players aswell. And I havent seen trolling from them regarding kdf and rom issues. In fact is the opposite. For example, with the fed cloaks and carriers threads, the kdf players trolled those threads hardtime. Yet I havent seen any trolling from fed players on "kdf needs more sci ships" threads or "roms need carrier and sci ships" threads.
I think no1 will troll those polls since I think most fed players would love to take their rom toons out of their scimitars and kdf toons out of their battlecruisers and breen carrier.
God forbid we should try doing DPS with Sci abilities.....
I still say, if that's your goal, you don't need a carrier at all.
Nor do you need a carrier for doing dps with tactical, or engineering, but they all have manners an ways of doing their duty or the duty the player wishes it to do. There are enough large scale tactical heavy ships in escorts an even cruisers, and so why do tactical players need a carrier with all that choice they have. Well it is that some want a carrier that works with their style of play, just like science players would like some ships for their play style an some science players like carriers. Than add in that science ship on the whole are not represented nearly as much as tactical or engineering ships an it is about time we saw a science-focused ship even if a carrier put forth. Now we just need to see them put forth a carrier for both the romulan an KDF, alongside one or two science ships (i myself would want to see a update of the advanced research science vessel).
It would have been nice to get some more input into the ship from boff-layouts, ship-features, and console effects or usage. As i would not have minded the current boff-layout, though i would have preferred to see them have the ship possess two de-ployable support craft (like that they attach an deploy from those circular indentations on the saucer), which have different abilities an functions based on which console you have slotted an used to de-ploy them via/use the console to switch between functions as well. In this way the ship could fulfill more duties based on which console you had active, while also making it feel more like a carrier that supports an commands a fleet/group of ships around it. I could see such ships having abilities like hull/shield healing in a healer role mode, activate some weapons an weapon abilities like bfaw or torp spread in tactical mode, while in support i could see it using things like gw or attack patterns/tactical team. Maybe have it that if you put your hanger-pets escorting them they get different buffs from the de-ployed support craft.
As I've said in the other thread, the only disappointment for me is that we didn't get to vote on the boff layout and the specialization seat. With all the hype about "Design your ship!", having it all be just about choosing the looks seems like a bit of a letdown. Then again, with com sci and lt uni as the mandatory core for a t6 carrier, and with ltcom eng being the obvious choce to facilitate support and repairs, there isn't all that much that one could do with the rest, aside from maybe going from lt tac + lt sci to ltcom tac + ens sci (and we all know how that vote would end up...). Still, there could be the vote for the spec seating... Unless someone somewhere ran a simulation that proved that carriers with command powers would be op...
I can't help but be amused that despite all the observations in the forums these past years that the KDF and RR have been lacking in their ship selections, and ESPECIALLY in the science department, the writer of the article went out of their way to lament Starfleet's lack of science ships. That and the ship trait ends up being named Insult to Injury in the same article.
I agree with you on the supposed "Lack" of Fed Science ships. At T6 we've got the Pathfinder, Dauntless, and Scryer at least. Throw in the T5s and holy TRIBBLE! Vestas, Lunas, Nebula Refits, Atrox Carriers...
My concern is the fighter. The basic looks very good, but the elite not so much. Maybe replace the dual phaser cannons with one from a reputation system and upgrade the torpedo?
As far as I know... no hanger pet comes equipped with rep gear. Its either stock or, in the case of lockbox/lobi carriers, associated lockbox weapons.
I am not saying they must come with rep gear, only that would help. I simply find the increase between levels of the new frigate's cannons underwhelming.
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Right. Because, as you know, UFP players are a homogeneous blob filled with nothing but contempt for the less popular factions.
More seriously, I'd like to see a Romulan design for a dedicated carrier, and would LOVE to see what the Cryptic of today would design in place of the Vo'Quv for KDF.
I support the Star Trek Battles channel.
And she's got FOUR of them. Woohoo!
I support the Star Trek Battles channel.
in all seriousness this is on the must have list for me. I got the yamato recently...lovely ship, totally happy with it as a dreadnought, but no GW capable seating so my science toon lusts for the power of the GW!
No T6 abilities, which is pretty much a deal-breaker these days. I packed one of the Sci girls into a Fed T6 HEC for that reason. The other really ought to be flying her Nandi instead of the Vesta.
I was wondering the same thing.
there was nothing in the patch notes and there has been no mention of a launch for today. So it's not looking likely, unless they announce it after maintenance.
But with no patching on thurs due to holiday, Jupiter seems unlikely to make its appearance until december 3rd maint. Though I would love it before then. But I'm just an impatient person =p
i will be waiting for another nice LB carrier or promo carrier to get my bets in this ship is just a insult to injury!
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Yeah, I'm stoked for a T6 Vo'Quv/VoD'leh update. I have a soft spot for this glorious beast. Since my current Klingon character is more a battlecruiser kinda warrior, I would roll up another Klingon character just to use a KDF T6 carrier at endgame.
I have been flying carriers for a long time. Do you know how bad pet AI is? Do you know how often those cannons will EVER be in arc to fire? Until they fix pet AI it is just not a good idea to use cannons or they need to give them ridiculous damage so that the dps is okay based on how much time they spend on target.
I would say from a science and tactical standpoint the Sarr Theln with frigate pets is a superior carrier in every way.
I will wait and see what others report to make a final decision but for right now it looks like there is no way I would fly this.
It is sad because it would be so easy to fix. Give the pets beam weapons and fire at will (only because pet AI is bad)
Swap the lt cmdr engineering with lt tactical, put the intel seat on the universal slot, change the console layout to 2 engineering, 5 science and 4 tactical or 3 engineering, 4 science and 4 tactical.
Hmmm, your fear is missplaced. Many fed players are kdf and rom players aswell. And I havent seen trolling from them regarding kdf and rom issues. In fact is the opposite. For example, with the fed cloaks and carriers threads, the kdf players trolled those threads hardtime. Yet I havent seen any trolling from fed players on "kdf needs more sci ships" threads or "roms need carrier and sci ships" threads.
I think no1 will troll those polls since I think most fed players would love to take their rom toons out of their scimitars and kdf toons out of their battlecruisers and breen carrier.
I still say, if that's your goal, you don't need a carrier at all.
Nor do you need a carrier for doing dps with tactical, or engineering, but they all have manners an ways of doing their duty or the duty the player wishes it to do. There are enough large scale tactical heavy ships in escorts an even cruisers, and so why do tactical players need a carrier with all that choice they have. Well it is that some want a carrier that works with their style of play, just like science players would like some ships for their play style an some science players like carriers. Than add in that science ship on the whole are not represented nearly as much as tactical or engineering ships an it is about time we saw a science-focused ship even if a carrier put forth. Now we just need to see them put forth a carrier for both the romulan an KDF, alongside one or two science ships (i myself would want to see a update of the advanced research science vessel).
It would have been nice to get some more input into the ship from boff-layouts, ship-features, and console effects or usage. As i would not have minded the current boff-layout, though i would have preferred to see them have the ship possess two de-ployable support craft (like that they attach an deploy from those circular indentations on the saucer), which have different abilities an functions based on which console you have slotted an used to de-ploy them via/use the console to switch between functions as well. In this way the ship could fulfill more duties based on which console you had active, while also making it feel more like a carrier that supports an commands a fleet/group of ships around it. I could see such ships having abilities like hull/shield healing in a healer role mode, activate some weapons an weapon abilities like bfaw or torp spread in tactical mode, while in support i could see it using things like gw or attack patterns/tactical team. Maybe have it that if you put your hanger-pets escorting them they get different buffs from the de-ployed support craft.
I am not saying they must come with rep gear, only that would help. I simply find the increase between levels of the new frigate's cannons underwhelming.