Probably the reason why they didn't made 3 set bonus with the Defiant/T'varo/Brel is because the T5 Brel from the Cstore does not come with any special console at all.
So exept if cryptic pull out of their butt a special console for the T5 Brel (don't count on that), you won't see anytime soon a 3 pieces bonus for the Defiant with the quad.
Probably the reason why they didn't made 3 set bonus with the Defiant/T'varo/Brel is because the T5 Brel from the Cstore does not come with any special console at all.
So exept if cryptic pull out of their butt a special console for the T5 Brel (don't count on that), you won't see anytime soon a 3 pieces bonus for the Defiant with the quad.
Um the Tvaro is a 3 piece bonus....and completely different from the other 2 that are copy pasted.
It doesn't have to be a 3 piece bonus in the first place, it just needs to make sence for the federation ship to start with, having cloak is almost useless on it when A the console itself provides like nothing, B its not battle so to take full advantage of the 2 piece bonus is very situational, can it be done sure, but not to the full extent as to what might have originally been intended. Hell the only time I find myself out of combat is when I respawn from being blown up lately.
don't like ... don't buy , simple ... cut the rage allready , we all knew how good the Valiant will be , the ones expecting some kind of jhss with fed design and a cloak ... are either to young , or they don't know the use of brain cells.
Ah, but in theory, at least it would be a Pilot Cruiser. This is something we don't presently have. It offer something NEW. The Defiant, on the other hand, is just a straight downgrade from the TacPilot, having the same boff and console layout, and the only changes are the downgraded specialist, downgraded guns, downgraded everything else...
It is not exactly a great offering.
Agreed - but by the same token, it isn't the crushing disappointment that some are trying to claim it is either.
Yeah, my take away is that Pilot ships are OP, not that the Valiant is bad.
Wow....I mean just wow. I liked the Valiant, but it's not as good (FOR ME) as my FT6 Intrepid where I can quite literally pull miracle tanking as well as take on a dozen MU's. Jeez guys, just because it's not a ship worthy of the God's themselves, is not reason to get sooooo upset. Seems alot of you are asking for a MAJOR quantum leap of at least an improvement of +200% everything or else!
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I didn't get Valiant, as my Fed characters are already equipped with ships I like, but I got the T6 T'Varo and I don't regret it. I waited for over half a year (since Galaxy/Mogh/Double'D have been released) and it finally arrived.
The new console is great fun and actually not that bad. We finally have a trait that revolves around cannons (it would have also been nice if it were a torpedo upgrade - after all both T'Varo and B'rel are often used as torpedo boats).
And about pilot maneuvers. I didn't need them before, and I don't need them now. T'Varo can still do well in both PvE and PvP if used wisely.
Stats of this three ships are nothing unexpected. As other people had commented even before its release, this are upgrades of T5 ships, so it is kinda unrealistic they would have pilot maneuvers, 5/2 weapon layout, full specialisation seat, battle cloak on a Fed ship etc. etc.
Yeah, my take away is that Pilot ships are OP, not that the Valiant is bad.
Give the man a cigar!
When the Pilot ships came out they blew else in that vein out of the water. Everyone knew it. There was no question about it. The naive thought this was a new standard, everyone else knew it was just another bunch of poorly balanced ships and that the ones that followed wouldn't receive the same treatment. The Valiant is comparable to the Hestia and Alita, and pseudo-Escorts like the Manticore. The outliers are the Pilot ships, not the other way around.
When one nail sticks up out of the floor you hammer the nail down, you don't build the rest of the floor up to meet it...
Ah, but in theory, at least it would be a Pilot Cruiser. This is something we don't presently have. It offer something NEW. The Defiant, on the other hand, is just a straight downgrade from the TacPilot, having the same boff and console layout, and the only changes are the downgraded specialist, downgraded guns, downgraded everything else...
It is not exactly a great offering.
Agreed - but by the same token, it isn't the crushing disappointment that some are trying to claim it is either.
Yeah, my take away is that Pilot ships are OP, not that the Valiant is bad.
I actually think the Valiant takes damage better than a pilot or intel escort. But that's just me.
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Those that were expecting a different layout and/or pilot ship abilities, are either very new to the game or live on some other planet.
The T6 Defiant (Valiant) is exactly as expected, even if it is more of the same...
However, if you already own the Phantom or a Pilot ship, then the Valiant adds nothing that would make it a must buy, unless you are already a fan of the ship itself.
Brilliant marketing strategy. Great way to sell ships. Don't expect anything new just more of the same and be happy about it while you're at it.
Well it is because IF they made the Defiant BETTER then all the existing Fed pilot shops; the sales of those Pilot ships would drop to zero for new players entering the game just looking to min/max. The T6 Defiant is an improvement over the other T5 versions in terms of Boff layout (with the addition of a Universal Boff slot, etc.); and they know frans of the ship will buy a current T6 model of the 'hero ship' from DS9 - so sorry, I don't see how it qualifies as a bad marketing strategy for STO overall.
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Probably the reason why they didn't made 3 set bonus with the Defiant/T'varo/Brel is because the T5 Brel from the Cstore does not come with any special console at all.
So exept if cryptic pull out of their butt a special console for the T5 Brel (don't count on that), you won't see anytime soon a 3 pieces bonus for the Defiant with the quad.
Um the Tvaro is a 3 piece bonus....and completely different from the other 2 that are copy pasted.
It doesn't have to be a 3 piece bonus in the first place, it just needs to make sence for the federation ship to start with, having cloak is almost useless on it when A the console itself provides like nothing, B its not battle so to take full advantage of the 2 piece bonus is very situational, can it be done sure, but not to the full extent as to what might have originally been intended. Hell the only time I find myself out of combat is when I respawn from being blown up lately.
Kurland here...
Oh, just looked again at the stats and your right, the T'varo get a 3 pieces bonus while the others get a 2 pieces bonus only.
I agree that the cloak is kinda useless in PVE but if you play PVP, the cloak console is a big tactical avantage.
Probably the reason why they didn't made 3 set bonus with the Defiant/T'varo/Brel is because the T5 Brel from the Cstore does not come with any special console at all.
So exept if cryptic pull out of their butt a special console for the T5 Brel (don't count on that), you won't see anytime soon a 3 pieces bonus for the Defiant with the quad.
Um the Tvaro is a 3 piece bonus....and completely different from the other 2 that are copy pasted.
It doesn't have to be a 3 piece bonus in the first place, it just needs to make sence for the federation ship to start with, having cloak is almost useless on it when A the console itself provides like nothing, B its not battle so to take full advantage of the 2 piece bonus is very situational, can it be done sure, but not to the full extent as to what might have originally been intended. Hell the only time I find myself out of combat is when I respawn from being blown up lately.
Kurland here...
Oh, just looked again at the stats and your right, the T'varo get a 3 pieces bonus while the others get a 2 pieces bonus only.
I agree that the cloak is kinda useless in PVE but if you play PVP, the cloak console is a big tactical avantage.
No, sorry, it's not that the cloak is useless in PvE, it's the very simple fact that people don't think it gives enough DPS to merit being put on the ship. If you take a tactical and objective view, it's so much more useful than people want to give it credit for. Take MI at the moment, it's brilliant for getting past portals and MU ships to get power going on the relays. It seems people only want to destroy NPC's, rather than take a pragmatic approach and concentrate on powering up the even bigger boomage (that's unless of course you are a no-good useless AFK'er!).
Let me make this statement, or proposal, whatever.....imagine the outpouring of rage if the Federation order the withdrawal of every single cloaking device and cloak-enabled ship (whether the player used it or not!).
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Probably the reason why they didn't made 3 set bonus with the Defiant/T'varo/Brel is because the T5 Brel from the Cstore does not come with any special console at all.
So exept if cryptic pull out of their butt a special console for the T5 Brel (don't count on that), you won't see anytime soon a 3 pieces bonus for the Defiant with the quad.
Um the Tvaro is a 3 piece bonus....and completely different from the other 2 that are copy pasted.
It doesn't have to be a 3 piece bonus in the first place, it just needs to make sence for the federation ship to start with, having cloak is almost useless on it when A the console itself provides like nothing, B its not battle so to take full advantage of the 2 piece bonus is very situational, can it be done sure, but not to the full extent as to what might have originally been intended. Hell the only time I find myself out of combat is when I respawn from being blown up lately.
Kurland here...
Oh, just looked again at the stats and your right, the T'varo get a 3 pieces bonus while the others get a 2 pieces bonus only.
I agree that the cloak is kinda useless in PVE but if you play PVP, the cloak console is a big tactical avantage.
No, sorry, it's not that the cloak is useless in PvE, it's the very simple fact that people don't think it gives enough DPS to merit being put on the ship. If you take a tactical and objective view, it's so much more useful than people want to give it credit for. Take MI at the moment, it's brilliant for getting past portals and MU ships to get power going on the relays. It seems people only want to destroy NPC's, rather than take a pragmatic approach and concentrate on powering up the even bigger boomage (that's unless of course you are a no-good useless AFK'er!).
Let me make this statement, or proposal, whatever.....imagine the outpouring of rage if the Federation order the withdrawal of every single cloaking device and cloak-enabled ship (whether the player used it or not!).
No sorry it actually is useless as stated above, its not battle so my chances of using it are very slim, its a very situational gimmick for a fed ship, and I get that, but its pointless in the grand scheme of things.. I think it should have been the console and the quad cannons instead as a 2 piece bonus and give some sort of cool down on something other or something I dunno but cloak was for the DEFIANT, this is the VALIANT. thus not the same ship even. I have a romulan and I barely remember to use her battle cloak as is, cloak is fine for what it does but it just simply doesn't work for this 2 piece bonus, as also mentioned its not really giving any stats so why would I waste a console slot that could give me constant piercing damage or such and such or use the cloak that is situational?
Probably the reason why they didn't made 3 set bonus with the Defiant/T'varo/Brel is because the T5 Brel from the Cstore does not come with any special console at all.
So exept if cryptic pull out of their butt a special console for the T5 Brel (don't count on that), you won't see anytime soon a 3 pieces bonus for the Defiant with the quad.
Um the Tvaro is a 3 piece bonus....and completely different from the other 2 that are copy pasted.
It doesn't have to be a 3 piece bonus in the first place, it just needs to make sence for the federation ship to start with, having cloak is almost useless on it when A the console itself provides like nothing, B its not battle so to take full advantage of the 2 piece bonus is very situational, can it be done sure, but not to the full extent as to what might have originally been intended. Hell the only time I find myself out of combat is when I respawn from being blown up lately.
Kurland here...
Oh, just looked again at the stats and your right, the T'varo get a 3 pieces bonus while the others get a 2 pieces bonus only.
I agree that the cloak is kinda useless in PVE but if you play PVP, the cloak console is a big tactical avantage.
No, sorry, it's not that the cloak is useless in PvE, it's the very simple fact that people don't think it gives enough DPS to merit being put on the ship. If you take a tactical and objective view, it's so much more useful than people want to give it credit for. Take MI at the moment, it's brilliant for getting past portals and MU ships to get power going on the relays. It seems people only want to destroy NPC's, rather than take a pragmatic approach and concentrate on powering up the even bigger boomage (that's unless of course you are a no-good useless AFK'er!).
Let me make this statement, or proposal, whatever.....imagine the outpouring of rage if the Federation order the withdrawal of every single cloaking device and cloak-enabled ship (whether the player used it or not!).
No sorry it actually is useless as stated above, its not battle so my chances of using it are very slim, its a very situational gimmick for a fed ship, and I get that, but its pointless in the grand scheme of things.. I think it should have been the console and the quad cannons instead as a 2 piece bonus and give some sort of cool down on something other or something I dunno but cloak was for the DEFIANT, this is the VALIANT. thus not the same ship even. I have a romulan and I barely remember to use her battle cloak as is, cloak is fine for what it does but it just simply doesn't work for this 2 piece bonus, as also mentioned its not really giving any stats so why would I waste a console slot that could give me constant piercing damage or such and such or use the cloak that is situational?
Oh, many is the time I have cursed the battle-cloak after accidentally activating in the middle of a swarm!! lol. I stand by what I say though. It's a fantastic console for my playstyle, and broadens my tactical choices as I'm a Sci and tend to think more situationally than DPS. There's nothing like throwing out a Grav Well whilst simultaneously hit Sensor Analysis, Tach Beam etc. etc. and the thing is, when Cryptic finally get round to rebalancing DPS once again, my tactics won't need to change.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Ah, but in theory, at least it would be a Pilot Cruiser. This is something we don't presently have. It offer something NEW. The Defiant, on the other hand, is just a straight downgrade from the TacPilot, having the same boff and console layout, and the only changes are the downgraded specialist, downgraded guns, downgraded everything else...
It is not exactly a great offering.
Agreed - but by the same token, it isn't the crushing disappointment that some are trying to claim it is either.
Yeah, my take away is that Pilot ships are OP, not that the Valiant is bad.
I actually think the Valiant takes damage better than a pilot or intel escort. But that's just me.
Amen. I'm in love with the Pilot Escorts, but I'm finding my survivability much better in the Valiant. I feel like I'm in paper armor in Pilot Escorts, and chain mail in the Valiant. So much so that I've changed my default ship to the Valiant.
Oh, just looked again at the stats and your right, the T'varo get a 3 pieces bonus while the others get a 2 pieces bonus only.
I agree that the cloak is kinda useless in PVE but if you play PVP, the cloak console is a big tactical avantage.
No, sorry, it's not that the cloak is useless in PvE, it's the very simple fact that people don't think it gives enough DPS to merit being put on the ship. If you take a tactical and objective view, it's so much more useful than people want to give it credit for. Take MI at the moment, it's brilliant for getting past portals and MU ships to get power going on the relays. It seems people only want to destroy NPC's, rather than take a pragmatic approach and concentrate on powering up the even bigger boomage (that's unless of course you are a no-good useless AFK'er!).
Let me make this statement, or proposal, whatever.....imagine the outpouring of rage if the Federation order the withdrawal of every single cloaking device and cloak-enabled ship (whether the player used it or not!).
No sorry it actually is useless as stated above, its not battle so my chances of using it are very slim, its a very situational gimmick for a fed ship, and I get that, but its pointless in the grand scheme of things.. I think it should have been the console and the quad cannons instead as a 2 piece bonus and give some sort of cool down on something other or something I dunno but cloak was for the DEFIANT, this is the VALIANT. thus not the same ship even. I have a romulan and I barely remember to use her battle cloak as is, cloak is fine for what it does but it just simply doesn't work for this 2 piece bonus, as also mentioned its not really giving any stats so why would I waste a console slot that could give me constant piercing damage or such and such or use the cloak that is situational?
Cloak is solid. When I play Fed-side, I miss my Romulans' cloaks dearly. Like leemwatson said, it's great for sneaking by enemies - avoiding the Tholians and gunning straight for the Crystaline Entity, avoiding the Terrans and heading for the next rift or power station, or avoiding the Heralds in the middle of the map while going between the starbase and the shipyard.
It's useful. You just need to find the uses for it.
You wont necessarily be breaking any records with having/using a cloak, especially as a Fed. It is situational and if you're about doing your job in said situations then it does work wonders. Flanking and delivering an alpha strike that severely damages or destroys your target has always been, in my opinion, the job of a Tactical Escort. People can argue about the cloak belonging to the Defiant only, that's fine. There are pleny of Federation ships listed that have it, the Pegasus (illegal but Fed designed), Galaxy X, the Holographic ship from Insurrection and in STO the Fleet Intel ships. (I think the Temporal ships in VOY had one I really can't remember).
But at the end of the day, if the Valiant is in for some tweaks, I would appreciate anything that would make it stand on its own. Its a Tactical Escort, key word being tactical:
"of, relating to, or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end."
Im calling Bull Sh?t . The defiant has so many fails with it.And you guys are saying it's great .....What ever.Trolls quit trolling the forms we are trying to get the ship fixed . And ill say it again the Phanton and Pilot ship would smoke it easy ..If you can't tell that from stats your a nuub or a troll probley both for buying the ship .The klingon and romulan 's version are solid . the Defiant ..no not even close.
If you put Quad cannon up front as nonremovable ,5/3 weapons .Boom the ship would be a solid ship, You would have to run cannons so no dps guy breaking the game in a 5/3 escort with FAW ,We wouldnt care about the suck cloak ,and no 2LtC bo or shorted a console ,,,I buy it and lots of others would too..
Yeah I didn't end up buying this one myself, just upgraded my Fleet T5 Defiant with a token, they did an amazing job on the new model though, looks great!
I Got to disagree. I bought it because its the defiant. Several dps runs later. I Got to say its Performance is ok But Not worth the money. Pilot/manasa/t6 bug/ even t6 hvy escort Carrier are way better performing.
The console is nice, the Set Horror. A lt. Com. Eng or sci would have been better than lt. Universal.
It rockz only because you think your flying an defiant. IT is in our heads Not reflected by numbers. On Paper its inferior and that is What she is.
So if you Post be objective and dont bring your Emotions into your Judgement
Sorry to teach you. But 5/2 layout. As well as the Set bonus e.g. 30% or 33% Not sure how much cannon bonus beats the pants of the defiant. THAT IS FACT. Even the t6 hvy escort with 4/3 Layout and a better torp Set bonus as well as 10 or maybe 15% tac Bo Cool down reduction and a Hangar performs better
The biggest letdown is that the defiant Has no unique feature. Like tempest tailgun Akira hangar Prometheus multi thing
And plz dont say. She Got a CLOAK.
THAT is Not unique
But I have hope. The workover by the devs will correct that.
So, in terms of the thread title, it would seem that those who didn't purchase the Valiant think it is fail, whilst those who did purchase it know that its actually pretty darn kick***.
Some who have purchased the T6 will disagree, especially when comparing it to the T5-U.
Translation "Whaaaaaa, Defiant isn't stronger than the ships that came before it and it must be whaaaaaaa!"
Bout what I got out of the while "trolls shut your trap" TRIBBLE. Quite frankly, the pilot ships were a step in the wrong direction with power creep. But notice every single ship that has come out with a tier 5 variant, has been a slight step up. I point to Yamato, Pathfinder and the Galaxy upgrade.
You seriously expected different with the Valiant? Cute. Personally, I think the pilot escorts should be dropped down to the Valiant level, not the other way around, and I have atleast 1 pilot raptor. Since they have the pilot movements, all of them should of been a 4/3 format to begin with.
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Agreed. It's sad really; lets face it, the T6 Defiant was never going to live up to pipe dreams and unrealistic expectations of some players.
I predict that the eventual T6 Sovereign wil suffer the same.
Basically every T6 refit gets a varying level of complaints thrown at it, because so many expect it to be a large upgrade over the T5. But as Cryptic has said consistently since announcing T6, it's not all that much over T5U capabilities. Once you upgrade your T5, it's basically at T6 level.
How quickly we forget that, when Cryptic made that statement, the fora errupted with anger over the supposed power creep of OP T6's destroying our T5's. And now power creep is exactly what players are demanding
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So exept if cryptic pull out of their butt a special console for the T5 Brel (don't count on that), you won't see anytime soon a 3 pieces bonus for the Defiant with the quad.
It doesn't have to be a 3 piece bonus in the first place, it just needs to make sence for the federation ship to start with, having cloak is almost useless on it when A the console itself provides like nothing, B its not battle so to take full advantage of the 2 piece bonus is very situational, can it be done sure, but not to the full extent as to what might have originally been intended. Hell the only time I find myself out of combat is when I respawn from being blown up lately.
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The new console is great fun and actually not that bad. We finally have a trait that revolves around cannons (it would have also been nice if it were a torpedo upgrade - after all both T'Varo and B'rel are often used as torpedo boats).
And about pilot maneuvers. I didn't need them before, and I don't need them now. T'Varo can still do well in both PvE and PvP if used wisely.
Stats of this three ships are nothing unexpected. As other people had commented even before its release, this are upgrades of T5 ships, so it is kinda unrealistic they would have pilot maneuvers, 5/2 weapon layout, full specialisation seat, battle cloak on a Fed ship etc. etc.
Give the man a cigar!
When the Pilot ships came out they blew else in that vein out of the water. Everyone knew it. There was no question about it. The naive thought this was a new standard, everyone else knew it was just another bunch of poorly balanced ships and that the ones that followed wouldn't receive the same treatment. The Valiant is comparable to the Hestia and Alita, and pseudo-Escorts like the Manticore. The outliers are the Pilot ships, not the other way around.
When one nail sticks up out of the floor you hammer the nail down, you don't build the rest of the floor up to meet it...
I actually think the Valiant takes damage better than a pilot or intel escort. But that's just me.
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Well it is because IF they made the Defiant BETTER then all the existing Fed pilot shops; the sales of those Pilot ships would drop to zero for new players entering the game just looking to min/max. The T6 Defiant is an improvement over the other T5 versions in terms of Boff layout (with the addition of a Universal Boff slot, etc.); and they know frans of the ship will buy a current T6 model of the 'hero ship' from DS9 - so sorry, I don't see how it qualifies as a bad marketing strategy for STO overall.
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Kurland here...
Oh, just looked again at the stats and your right, the T'varo get a 3 pieces bonus while the others get a 2 pieces bonus only.
I agree that the cloak is kinda useless in PVE but if you play PVP, the cloak console is a big tactical avantage.
No, sorry, it's not that the cloak is useless in PvE, it's the very simple fact that people don't think it gives enough DPS to merit being put on the ship. If you take a tactical and objective view, it's so much more useful than people want to give it credit for. Take MI at the moment, it's brilliant for getting past portals and MU ships to get power going on the relays. It seems people only want to destroy NPC's, rather than take a pragmatic approach and concentrate on powering up the even bigger boomage (that's unless of course you are a no-good useless AFK'er!).
Let me make this statement, or proposal, whatever.....imagine the outpouring of rage if the Federation order the withdrawal of every single cloaking device and cloak-enabled ship (whether the player used it or not!).
No sorry it actually is useless as stated above, its not battle so my chances of using it are very slim, its a very situational gimmick for a fed ship, and I get that, but its pointless in the grand scheme of things.. I think it should have been the console and the quad cannons instead as a 2 piece bonus and give some sort of cool down on something other or something I dunno but cloak was for the DEFIANT, this is the VALIANT. thus not the same ship even. I have a romulan and I barely remember to use her battle cloak as is, cloak is fine for what it does but it just simply doesn't work for this 2 piece bonus, as also mentioned its not really giving any stats so why would I waste a console slot that could give me constant piercing damage or such and such or use the cloak that is situational?
Oh, many is the time I have cursed the battle-cloak after accidentally activating in the middle of a swarm!! lol. I stand by what I say though. It's a fantastic console for my playstyle, and broadens my tactical choices as I'm a Sci and tend to think more situationally than DPS. There's nothing like throwing out a Grav Well whilst simultaneously hit Sensor Analysis, Tach Beam etc. etc. and the thing is, when Cryptic finally get round to rebalancing DPS once again, my tactics won't need to change.
Amen. I'm in love with the Pilot Escorts, but I'm finding my survivability much better in the Valiant. I feel like I'm in paper armor in Pilot Escorts, and chain mail in the Valiant. So much so that I've changed my default ship to the Valiant.
Cloak is solid. When I play Fed-side, I miss my Romulans' cloaks dearly. Like leemwatson said, it's great for sneaking by enemies - avoiding the Tholians and gunning straight for the Crystaline Entity, avoiding the Terrans and heading for the next rift or power station, or avoiding the Heralds in the middle of the map while going between the starbase and the shipyard.
It's useful. You just need to find the uses for it.
But at the end of the day, if the Valiant is in for some tweaks, I would appreciate anything that would make it stand on its own. Its a Tactical Escort, key word being tactical:
"of, relating to, or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end."
With finesse, of course.
EDIT: Yes, Pegasus! Thank's Angarus1
Don't you mean the Pegasus?
Anyway, I'm having a total blast in my T6 Defiant. My enemies? Not so much.
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Well that's true enough.
The console is nice, the Set Horror. A lt. Com. Eng or sci would have been better than lt. Universal.
It rockz only because you think your flying an defiant. IT is in our heads Not reflected by numbers. On Paper its inferior and that is What she is.
So if you Post be objective and dont bring your Emotions into your Judgement
THAT IS FACT.
Even the t6 hvy escort with 4/3 Layout and a better torp Set bonus as well as 10 or maybe 15% tac Bo Cool down reduction and a Hangar performs better
The biggest letdown is that the defiant Has no unique feature.
Like
tempest tailgun
Akira hangar
Prometheus multi thing
And plz dont say. She Got a CLOAK.
THAT is Not unique
But I have hope. The workover by the devs will correct that.
Some who have purchased the T6 will disagree, especially when comparing it to the T5-U.
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I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
Translation "Whaaaaaa, Defiant isn't stronger than the ships that came before it and it must be whaaaaaaa!"
Bout what I got out of the while "trolls shut your trap" TRIBBLE. Quite frankly, the pilot ships were a step in the wrong direction with power creep. But notice every single ship that has come out with a tier 5 variant, has been a slight step up. I point to Yamato, Pathfinder and the Galaxy upgrade.
You seriously expected different with the Valiant? Cute. Personally, I think the pilot escorts should be dropped down to the Valiant level, not the other way around, and I have atleast 1 pilot raptor. Since they have the pilot movements, all of them should of been a 4/3 format to begin with.
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Basically every T6 refit gets a varying level of complaints thrown at it, because so many expect it to be a large upgrade over the T5. But as Cryptic has said consistently since announcing T6, it's not all that much over T5U capabilities. Once you upgrade your T5, it's basically at T6 level.
How quickly we forget that, when Cryptic made that statement, the fora errupted with anger over the supposed power creep of OP T6's destroying our T5's. And now power creep is exactly what players are demanding