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Reputation marks; one simplified mark system for all reputations?
mirrorchaos
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The Terran universe stuff was recently dropped on live, however it has added yet another reputation mark entry on an ever increasing list and eventually this trend will become a problem for crytic in their own design in that there will be so many of these.
The question is about simplifying the system by bringing all these mark entries into one giant mark system. because of this it would be easier to handle.
The question is about simplifying the system by bringing all these mark entries into one giant mark system. because of this it would be easier to handle.
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Reputation marks; one simplified mark system for all reputations? 62 votes
Yes
30%
19 votes
No
66%
41 votes
Not sure
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
not really, it would mean pulling every mark into one and it all adds up as if there was no change but the reputations remain the same, its just a universal mark system, the only difference being is that it is not as silly as it is becoming.
if you are not prepared to ask yourself one day when it becomes absurd, then should i be worried?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
When a new new hotness token comes out all existing new hotness tokens are converted to old and busted tokens.
Even then, you'd only have the easiest new hotness queue/bg and the easiest old and busted queue/bg being played without some sort of incentive system to get the too small playerbase out into the too many queues.
As I can collect Rommy marks at such a higher rate than all the others, I can farm those, flip them over to the other reps and complete all the other reps without having to utilize new content or new STFs.
Heck, lets get rid of reps completely, and make it were you get everything free with no effort, or experiencing anything new.
well there is someone who has taken the horse out of its own skin and called it a sheep. none of the previous content is invalid, but as you say, if there is one thing that is good for farming, then nerf it down.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Why? Because Cryptic refuses to improve reward rates and reward drops for queues that take longer than others. So there is no point in even trying to force us to do those queues. As we've seen, instead of playing what they tried to pigeon-hole us towards, most players have just stopped playing them altogether resulting in dead queues.
We're still gated by time limits, so it's not like there will be any real changes aside from favoring one Rep a bit sooner and still needing to grind or pay 100 Marks for an Elite Mark to turn in (VCI, II, Borg Neural Processors, etc).
Let me rephrase the grand Nagus as I understand him: if you pulled every rep system into one mark currency, then you could play Borg queues all day long and get the currency to buy Undine equipment without having taken as much as a glance at anything Undine. Which may be nice if you don't like Undine, but makes the specialization of the equipment towards a certain enemy and the learning of abilities because fighting a certain kind of fight aspects moot. Which they somewhat are already, considering how many "marks of choice" rewards there are already.
That being said, it may be becoming too much. You do not need all the reps (you still want them probably because dili and abilities) but it looks like it. But I do not like this solution at all because it would only draw more people towards all the same content than is the case already.
Yep, I agree.
(And then realize that I'm being moderately hyporitical, given that a huge % of the marks I earn, especially on alts, is from grinding up Winter & Summer pets.)
You want to know what will happen if we just have one unified mark for all reps?
The death of every PvE except Infected Space, Crystaline Entity, and maybe Fleet Alert.
Why?
Because they're cakewalks. Path of least resistance. Make a universal mark for all Reps and people will only do the easiest, fastest Queues and ignore any other content related to specific Rep tracks.
Wait, who plays the game, devs or players?
If someone wants to grind the same mission over and over and over I see no problem, it's his time, games are not made for devs, they are made for clients.
So, is it better to force players play something they don't like? I didn't like the Iconian queues, but I wanted the Iconian reputation, so I had to wait until the crystalline entity and Elachi events to get Iconian marks at a reasonable pace, just because Iconian queues were bad for my taste and the rewards were ridiculously low.
If you want to play a queue for fun, there are channels, fleets and private queues which are infinitely better than public queues, with no trolls, no flamers and people who know the queue and want to get it done right, for fun instead of marks.
Condense the older marks to a standard mark and leave the last 3 as individuals.
Get rid of some unused PvE ques if you do condense
Or do a specific bonus mark weekend that would double or triple the marks for certain ques
or
make specific ques offer any mark as a reward at a high payout
To answer your first question: both, actually. Regarding your other comments, here is a dose of reality: every game has rules, and the people who make the game make the rules, not you. If you don't like their rules, tough stuff.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
And that's when you know games turn bad, developers making a game for the company instead of making a game for the clients, it happened to Sony, it happened to wargaming, it happened to ubisoft, to EA and it's happening to cryptic, but I don't think it's too late for cryptic to fix it, they've stated to make amends recently with all the giveaways, the events, they still need to rebalance a ton of stuff to make the game more fun, but they are on the right path.
Believe it or not, all of the "clients" do not agree with one another. The devs can't make different rules for different people, and they can't change the rules every time one person asks them to, because that will just TRIBBLE off someone who didn't want it changed. The person who posted this thread is one person with an opinion. There are hundreds of thousands who play this game who all have their own opinions. Some may agree with him, some may not. Unless you can definitively prove that the majority agree with him, then you you have no basis for even suggesting the devs should do what he wants.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
And that's why Sony, Ubisoft and EA are all bankrupt now and nobody wants their products at all.
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If anything, there needs to be encouragement for redoing reputation instances that you've mastered already. Newer players trying to run some of those reps don't have it as easy as when players that were around when that rep was new. When the rep was new, the queues were popping all the time for them. As time progressed and people mastered that rep, they've moved onto something else. Newer players have fewer options and many of the queues are dead.
It's one of the major faults, I think, of the "Themepark" style of MMO play. Everyone goes to the newer rides.
Why not just make Infected the only STF so we can go in and go out in just under 5 minutes so we have nothing left to do at all in STO...PvP is pretty much dead why not kill PvE as well!
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Want the marks, do the missions needed for them, or wait till an event to grind comes along, plain and simple!
Don't like it, well than I guess you don't really want those marks, it's either that, or be patient and wait for some event to earn them!
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Agree with this 110%. PvP is dead, I don't see why we should kill PvE too.
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there are several missions out there which allow you multiple choices of marks so you have ways to get what you need. If need be you can concentrate on one specific rep and work your way out from there. The reps will always be there. Cryptic has done a great job at assuring you have multiple sources of marks you can draw from. I'm confident in their ability to see that you have more than just one source for certain marks.
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First, it makes no sense to earn Iconian gear by fighting the Borg.
Second, it will kill other content. Think the queues are dead now? Implement this and watch them all die. All. 'Cuz who's gonna queue up for a Borg STF PUG with the risk of failure when they can get more at no risk in a BZ?
One last reason to vote "No" that hasn't been stated yet: I think I'm gonna start voting based on blatant biases in poll questions. If all the "pollsters" in these forums really want to know what people think, they need to keep their opinions out of the OP. Which poll question do you think will get the truest results?:
1. Do you approve of the job Obama is doing in the Oval Office?
2. What do you think of the great job Obama is doing?
3. Obama is the best president ever, he likes puppies. Do you agree?
While even #2 is biased, this poll started leaning towards #3 right or of the gate.