If nothing else, let it go in for a Sudden Death Round - the winner of Omega/Epsilon faces Alpha in the finals, then the winner of the finals can go in against the (for lack of a better name) Vandread design...
I would go for that. And the Vandread Class Carrier? I could go for that.
Thank you all for the support and ideas thus far, and remember what LaughingTrendy said:
LaughingTrendy|Oct 12, 2015 09:00 am
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My working theory is that Alpha/Omega will be the 'primary' design, and the top 3 designs after that will get their parts added as tailor options.
I have to agree though, the Omega/Epsilon looks better than the standard Omega (which i love anyway.) reminds me very much of the Typhon... Which of course i would love to have too
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Has the voting ended yet?
(even though the outcome was obvious from the outset)
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Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
Influence the Modeling, but not taking the Design (Hybrid) that the Majority here would so like to have / see...just sad, so another Opportunity Missed...oh well...lets see how the Endproduct will look like...if it at least comes close to that hybrid i still may get it, if not..well saves me zen. And there is still Alpha, who knows maybe Omega will not be the Winner anyway (even so its very likely)soon we shall see
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
Influence the Modeling, but not taking the Design (Hybrid) that the Majority here would so like to have / see...just sad, so another Opportunity Missed...oh well...lets see how the Endproduct will look like...if it at least comes close to that hybrid i still may get it, if not..well saves me zen. And there is still Alpha, who knows maybe Omega will not be the Winner anyway (even so its very likely)soon we shall see
Majority of the People? No...
Majority, of the Minority of Players who Actually use the Forums... Maybe
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
Influence the Modeling, but not taking the Design (Hybrid) that the Majority here would so like to have / see...just sad, so another Opportunity Missed...oh well...lets see how the Endproduct will look like...if it at least comes close to that hybrid i still may get it, if not..well saves me zen. And there is still Alpha, who knows maybe Omega will not be the Winner anyway (even so its very likely)soon we shall see
Majority of the People? No...
Majority, of the Minority of Players who Actually use the Forums... Maybe
well Majority of the People here, rest of the Players who dont Vote, dont count anyway, so yea Majority of the People here it is.
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
Influence the Modeling, but not taking the Design (Hybrid) that the Majority here would so like to have / see...just sad, so another Opportunity Missed...oh well...lets see how the Endproduct will look like...if it at least comes close to that hybrid i still may get it, if not..well saves me zen. And there is still Alpha, who knows maybe Omega will not be the Winner anyway (even so its very likely)soon we shall see
Majority of the People? No...
Majority, of the Minority of Players who Actually use the Forums... Maybe
well Majority of the People here, rest of the Players who dont Vote, dont count anyway, so yea Majority of the People here it is.
Vote is also on facebook and twitter, which may include people who do not visit the forum. Also the vote for this hybrid only has 54 votes. Of those 54 votes, 30 were in favor. Very small compared to the 2295 votes tallied here.
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
Influence the Modeling, but not taking the Design (Hybrid) that the Majority here would so like to have / see...just sad, so another Opportunity Missed...oh well...lets see how the Endproduct will look like...if it at least comes close to that hybrid i still may get it, if not..well saves me zen. And there is still Alpha, who knows maybe Omega will not be the Winner anyway (even so its very likely)soon we shall see
Majority of the People? No...
Majority, of the Minority of Players who Actually use the Forums... Maybe
well Majority of the People here, rest of the Players who dont Vote, dont count anyway, so yea Majority of the People here it is.
Vote is also on facebook and twitter, which may include people who do not visit the forum. Also the vote for this hybrid only has 54 votes. Of those 54 votes, 30 were in favor. Very small compared to the 2295 votes tallied here.
Its not an Official "option", if it was than iam sure the Result would be very clear (towards that Hybrid) but, there is no Point in Discussing this anyway, once more it was - unfortunately - said that there will be no other Designs accepted, even so this Time its just a Kitbash of their own Designs...sad sad...
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
Influence the Modeling, but not taking the Design (Hybrid) that the Majority here would so like to have / see...just sad, so another Opportunity Missed...oh well...lets see how the Endproduct will look like...if it at least comes close to that hybrid i still may get it, if not..well saves me zen. And there is still Alpha, who knows maybe Omega will not be the Winner anyway (even so its very likely)soon we shall see
Majority of the People? No...
Majority, of the Minority of Players who Actually use the Forums... Maybe
well Majority of the People here, rest of the Players who dont Vote, dont count anyway, so yea Majority of the People here it is.
Vote is also on facebook and twitter, which may include people who do not visit the forum. Also the vote for this hybrid only has 54 votes. Of those 54 votes, 30 were in favor. Very small compared to the 2295 votes tallied here.
Its not an Official "option", if it was than iam sure the Result would be very clear (towards that Hybrid) but, there is no Point in Discussing this anyway, once more it was - unfortunately - said that there will be no other Designs accepted, even so this Time its just a Kitbash of their own Designs...sad sad...
You can try to convince yourself over a few people who agreed on it, but that does not make it true by any means.
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Well, the reason is IMHO simple... If you change the design mid-vote, you can be absolutely certain that there will be tons of people complaining that this is not what they voted for, regardless of how big the #teamomegaepsilonalpha majority of the forum minority thinks it is ;-) So yeah, basically you can just throw feedback at them, and hope that the options they'll give us for the modelling phase will somehow reflect that feedback :-D
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Well, the reason is IMHO simple... If you change the design mid-vote, you can be absolutely certain that there will be tons of people complaining that this is not what they voted for, regardless of how big the #teamomegaepsilonalpha majority of the forum minority thinks it is ;-) So yeah, basically you can just throw feedback at them, and hope that the options they'll give us for the modelling phase will somehow reflect that feedback :-D
This, precisely.
Minor changes can happen here and there, but something as drastic as a hybrid design pretty much defeats the entire point of the contest.
It's not even over yet, either, so all the people goin' hard for hybrid designs are essentially jumping the gun, and in the wrong direction to boot.
Personally speaking, I'd actually love to see minor elements from the unused designs make it into the final one. And specifically from the Epsilon/Omega hybrid people have been about the last few days, I'd actually really just like to see some of the Epsilon's pylon arrangement make it into the Omega, but nothing really more than that.
No way we get 3 hangars. The OP screaming would be deafening.
you know both designs have 3 hangers, right?
They have 3 hanger doors, Don't number the hangers by the number of bay doors, go by the level they are on, doors that are on the same level could be opening into a single large hanger deck.
Epsilon nacelles, omega body. Thus saith Picard, "Make it so number one." Seriously though that would be the best ship ever!
Epsilon nacelles and Pylons, that's an important detail otherwise you end up with the Epsilon engines sticking way out on the ends of the Omegas Pylon arrangement, as for the Epsilons aft hull, I'm on the fence, it may be a necessary detail for the use of the Epsilon Pylons and It does seem to fill what seems to me to be an empty space, since I am not a fan of monohulls.
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Well, the reason is IMHO simple... If you change the design mid-vote, you can be absolutely certain that there will be tons of people complaining that this is not what they voted for, regardless of how big the #teamomegaepsilonalpha majority of the forum minority thinks it is ;-) So yeah, basically you can just throw feedback at them, and hope that the options they'll give us for the modelling phase will somehow reflect that feedback :-D
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Well, the reason is IMHO simple... If you change the design mid-vote, you can be absolutely certain that there will be tons of people complaining that this is not what they voted for, regardless of how big the #teamomegaepsilonalpha majority of the forum minority thinks it is ;-) So yeah, basically you can just throw feedback at them, and hope that the options they'll give us for the modelling phase will somehow reflect that feedback :-D
This, precisely.
Minor changes can happen here and there, but something as drastic as a hybrid design pretty much defeats the entire point of the contest.
It's not even over yet, either, so all the people goin' hard for hybrid designs are essentially jumping the gun, and in the wrong direction to boot.
Personally speaking, I'd actually love to see minor elements from the unused designs make it into the final one. And specifically from the Epsilon/Omega hybrid people have been about the last few days, I'd actually really just like to see some of the Epsilon's pylon arrangement make it into the Omega, but nothing really more than that.
You both seem to be forgetting that the main reason why someone decided to kitbash together this design is because a great many people were voting for designs they found the least undesireable while complaining about the designers absurd fixation with odd sized engines on fragile looking pylons, having included no designs with equal sized engines for people to choose from. If the design has not actually already been made, which frankly I seriously doubt, since this contest has been crafted as cleverly as these models to lead to a predictable outcome, but if the design is not complete, then right now is the point at which to give feedback. No one is expecting them to abandon their existing design, but we are certainly hoping they will consider customization options that will allow us to incorporate what we are talking about here. That way those who like the Omega as it is can have it so, while those who want a more compact equal sized engine arrangement with or without an auxiliary pod can have that.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Once again the playerbase prove that they have no taste...
One could be forgiven for thinking that the playerbase are going for the ugliest designs, just for the hell of it!
I am fairly certain whatever ship was the "Omega" ship would have won . . . or come close to winning. People just like name Omega . . . it is already in the game in several places.
No way we get 3 hangars. The OP screaming would be deafening.
you know both designs have 3 hangers, right?
They have 3 hanger doors, Don't number the hangers by the number of bay doors, go by the level they are on, doors that are on the same level could be opening into a single large hanger deck.
Epsilon nacelles, omega body. Thus saith Picard, "Make it so number one." Seriously though that would be the best ship ever!
Epsilon nacelles and Pylons, that's an important detail otherwise you end up with the Epsilon engines sticking way out on the ends of the Omegas Pylon arrangement, as for the Epsilons aft hull, I'm on the fence, it may be a necessary detail for the use of the Epsilon Pylons and It does seem to fill what seems to me to be an empty space, since I am not a fan of monohulls.
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Well, the reason is IMHO simple... If you change the design mid-vote, you can be absolutely certain that there will be tons of people complaining that this is not what they voted for, regardless of how big the #teamomegaepsilonalpha majority of the forum minority thinks it is ;-) So yeah, basically you can just throw feedback at them, and hope that the options they'll give us for the modelling phase will somehow reflect that feedback :-D
Any notion Trendy on if the Epsilon/Omega Hybrid was looked at?
While an explicit hybrid won't happen, I've been taking feedback to the team that will inevitably influence the modeling portion of the ship design.
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Well, the reason is IMHO simple... If you change the design mid-vote, you can be absolutely certain that there will be tons of people complaining that this is not what they voted for, regardless of how big the #teamomegaepsilonalpha majority of the forum minority thinks it is ;-) So yeah, basically you can just throw feedback at them, and hope that the options they'll give us for the modelling phase will somehow reflect that feedback :-D
This, precisely.
Minor changes can happen here and there, but something as drastic as a hybrid design pretty much defeats the entire point of the contest.
It's not even over yet, either, so all the people goin' hard for hybrid designs are essentially jumping the gun, and in the wrong direction to boot.
Personally speaking, I'd actually love to see minor elements from the unused designs make it into the final one. And specifically from the Epsilon/Omega hybrid people have been about the last few days, I'd actually really just like to see some of the Epsilon's pylon arrangement make it into the Omega, but nothing really more than that.
You both seem to be forgetting that the main reason why someone decided to kitbash together this design is because a great many people were voting for designs they found the least undesireable while complaining about the designers absurd fixation with odd sized engines on fragile looking pylons, having included no designs with equal sized engines for people to choose from. If the design has not actually already been made, which frankly I seriously doubt, since this contest has been crafted as cleverly as these models to lead to a predictable outcome, but if the design is not complete, then right now is the point at which to give feedback. No one is expecting them to abandon their existing design, but we are certainly hoping they will consider customization options that will allow us to incorporate what we are talking about here. That way those who like the Omega as it is can have it so, while those who want a more compact equal sized engine arrangement with or without an auxiliary pod can have that.
I'm not forgetting that at all.
What everyone else is forgetting is that the contest is specifically about picking out from a set of designs.
Not about picking out a design you kinda-sorta like, and then adding a bunch of parts from other designs on it.
It's actually great that the devs are listening to what we're talking about and considering adding in minor details to whatever design eventually wins, even though they are not obligated to do so whatsoever.
But it needs to be kind of accepted that the overall motifs for the designs for this upcoming ship may not precisely line up with every little thing they like.
As it stands, it's not even that the design isn't complete. It's that the design isn't even picked out yet. Once the design is picked out, then give feedback. Or at least, I guess more feedback, since it seems feedback has been a hefty part of the dialogue going on on these threads.
And frankly, since when is the feature of "long nacelles on spindly pylons" unacceptable? I mean, literally, the first Star Trek ship ever created, Kirk's Enterprise, has exactly those features. And it's a look I kinda dig on some ships. Makes them look graceful.
That the winner is the Omega is a foregone conclusion, people went into this having chosen the Omega from the start. The Alpha pulling off a win at this point I would consider a fluke.
Kirk's Enterprise was a dinosaur, spindly pylons were abandoned as technology evolved, obviously for some good reason. A carrier by default is a warship, nothing else, long pylons may look "graceful" but on a warship they are a liability, a huge target jutting away from the ship asking to be fired upon.
I'm willing to bet if we had been given a bunch of parts to choose from, using a relatively simple to script paperdoll ship building graphic to place our choices and then an average was taken from the highest proportion of parts used in those choices, the winning design would look very much like vandread010's kitbash.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Spindly pylons haven't exactly gone out of style, in either STO or Trek canon proper.
I mean, in STO, the best example would be the Odyssey.
And in Trek canon, we have the Enterprise-J.
Heck, even the Sovereign has long, drawn out nacelles on somewhat slender looking pylons, though it does manage to still look somewhat more robust.
Even the Olympic class has this going on.
The idea behind the look evolved from the notion that, even though those parts of the ship looked weak and frail, the fact that they held up was a testament to the technology put into them. Making them look fantastical in a way.
Yes, the technology "evolved" so to speak, but honestly the prime motivator behind those gradual changes was really more the changes in aesthetic. Short and stubby looked more "modern" to us, ironically enough. So ships started to look less futuristic and more realistic.
But frankly, I'm glad Cryptic is experimenting with a more "old school" design idea. Shows they know their Trek pretty well.
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I would go for that. And the Vandread Class Carrier? I could go for that.
Thank you all for the support and ideas thus far, and remember what LaughingTrendy said:
Oh the humanity.... Oh the insanity.... Oh the Empty Queue bugs....
I have to agree though, the Omega/Epsilon looks better than the standard Omega (which i love anyway.) reminds me very much of the Typhon... Which of course i would love to have too
(even though the outcome was obvious from the outset)
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Oh the humanity.... Oh the insanity.... Oh the Empty Queue bugs....
Influence the Modeling, but not taking the Design (Hybrid) that the Majority here would so like to have / see...just sad, so another Opportunity Missed...oh well...lets see how the Endproduct will look like...if it at least comes close to that hybrid i still may get it, if not..well saves me zen. And there is still Alpha, who knows maybe Omega will not be the Winner anyway (even so its very likely)soon we shall see
Majority of the People? No...
Majority, of the Minority of Players who Actually use the Forums... Maybe
Monday? But I want to place my losing vote nooooooooooow!
well Majority of the People here, rest of the Players who dont Vote, dont count anyway, so yea Majority of the People here it is.
Ladies and gents its official. Cryptic listens to feedback and the people have made a change to a ship design shown.
Everyone pat themselves on the back!!!! 8D
Oh the humanity.... Oh the insanity.... Oh the Empty Queue bugs....
Vote is also on facebook and twitter, which may include people who do not visit the forum. Also the vote for this hybrid only has 54 votes. Of those 54 votes, 30 were in favor. Very small compared to the 2295 votes tallied here.
I'm Still pushing for the Pantheon Class Carrier. Since she was calling this Project Pantheon.
Its not an Official "option", if it was than iam sure the Result would be very clear (towards that Hybrid) but, there is no Point in Discussing this anyway, once more it was - unfortunately - said that there will be no other Designs accepted, even so this Time its just a Kitbash of their own Designs...sad sad...
You can try to convince yourself over a few people who agreed on it, but that does not make it true by any means.
One could be forgiven for thinking that the playerbase are going for the ugliest designs, just for the hell of it!
May I ask why it wont happen? how hard is it to make it happen unless....the ship is actually already modeled in which case myself and a few others will be proven right.
Well, the reason is IMHO simple... If you change the design mid-vote, you can be absolutely certain that there will be tons of people complaining that this is not what they voted for, regardless of how big the #teamomegaepsilonalpha majority of the forum minority thinks it is ;-) So yeah, basically you can just throw feedback at them, and hope that the options they'll give us for the modelling phase will somehow reflect that feedback :-D
This, precisely.
Minor changes can happen here and there, but something as drastic as a hybrid design pretty much defeats the entire point of the contest.
It's not even over yet, either, so all the people goin' hard for hybrid designs are essentially jumping the gun, and in the wrong direction to boot.
Personally speaking, I'd actually love to see minor elements from the unused designs make it into the final one. And specifically from the Epsilon/Omega hybrid people have been about the last few days, I'd actually really just like to see some of the Epsilon's pylon arrangement make it into the Omega, but nothing really more than that.
You both seem to be forgetting that the main reason why someone decided to kitbash together this design is because a great many people were voting for designs they found the least undesireable while complaining about the designers absurd fixation with odd sized engines on fragile looking pylons, having included no designs with equal sized engines for people to choose from. If the design has not actually already been made, which frankly I seriously doubt, since this contest has been crafted as cleverly as these models to lead to a predictable outcome, but if the design is not complete, then right now is the point at which to give feedback. No one is expecting them to abandon their existing design, but we are certainly hoping they will consider customization options that will allow us to incorporate what we are talking about here. That way those who like the Omega as it is can have it so, while those who want a more compact equal sized engine arrangement with or without an auxiliary pod can have that.
I am fairly certain whatever ship was the "Omega" ship would have won . . . or come close to winning. People just like name Omega . . . it is already in the game in several places.
I'm not forgetting that at all.
What everyone else is forgetting is that the contest is specifically about picking out from a set of designs.
Not about picking out a design you kinda-sorta like, and then adding a bunch of parts from other designs on it.
It's actually great that the devs are listening to what we're talking about and considering adding in minor details to whatever design eventually wins, even though they are not obligated to do so whatsoever.
But it needs to be kind of accepted that the overall motifs for the designs for this upcoming ship may not precisely line up with every little thing they like.
As it stands, it's not even that the design isn't complete. It's that the design isn't even picked out yet. Once the design is picked out, then give feedback. Or at least, I guess more feedback, since it seems feedback has been a hefty part of the dialogue going on on these threads.
And frankly, since when is the feature of "long nacelles on spindly pylons" unacceptable? I mean, literally, the first Star Trek ship ever created, Kirk's Enterprise, has exactly those features. And it's a look I kinda dig on some ships. Makes them look graceful.
Kirk's Enterprise was a dinosaur, spindly pylons were abandoned as technology evolved, obviously for some good reason. A carrier by default is a warship, nothing else, long pylons may look "graceful" but on a warship they are a liability, a huge target jutting away from the ship asking to be fired upon.
I'm willing to bet if we had been given a bunch of parts to choose from, using a relatively simple to script paperdoll ship building graphic to place our choices and then an average was taken from the highest proportion of parts used in those choices, the winning design would look very much like vandread010's kitbash.
I mean, in STO, the best example would be the Odyssey.
And in Trek canon, we have the Enterprise-J.
Heck, even the Sovereign has long, drawn out nacelles on somewhat slender looking pylons, though it does manage to still look somewhat more robust.
Even the Olympic class has this going on.
The idea behind the look evolved from the notion that, even though those parts of the ship looked weak and frail, the fact that they held up was a testament to the technology put into them. Making them look fantastical in a way.
Yes, the technology "evolved" so to speak, but honestly the prime motivator behind those gradual changes was really more the changes in aesthetic. Short and stubby looked more "modern" to us, ironically enough. So ships started to look less futuristic and more realistic.
But frankly, I'm glad Cryptic is experimenting with a more "old school" design idea. Shows they know their Trek pretty well.