How would you upgrade your favorite T5U lockbox ship to T6?

kamiyama317 · October 2015

Go into detail about your dream T6 lockbox ship here. What would you change on it for it's T6 version?

My favorite is the Undine Nicor. I would upgrade it to T6 by doing the following:

Change the Lieutenant engineer seat to Lt. Commander (+1 BOff ability)
Add pilot spec to the Commander Tac and Lt. Commander Engineer seat (is now a dedicated pilot ship)
Increase Impulse Mod from 0.2 to 0.22 (a little faster)
Increase Engine Power bonus from +5 to +10 (so it has +10 weapons, +10 engine)
A small bonus to hull strength and maybe shield strength (I don't really care about this)

It ends up with lots of room for pilot abilities, with a commander and two lt. commander abilities in pilot seating. You want reroute reserves to weapons on your beam boat? You have it. This would be one seriously scary ship.

So post your dream T6 lockbox ship. What would you put on it?

jackal1701apw · October 2015

Perhaps not the answer that you were looking for but my answer is 200 lobi.

That is a cost of 200 lobi, to convert the T-5U lockbox ships that I spent a fortune in acquiring the original time, to something on par with the latest vessels (T6 fleet - extra boff slot, spec seating, mastery trait).

Rather than having to spend the fortune again. Which I will not (and indeed have not done). In fact the introduction of T6/T6(f) has cut my playtime from 100+hrs per week to less than 50hrs per month and cut my Zen expenditure to zero. So yer. They lost a paying/playing customer with that move.

kamiyama317 · October 2015

I'd be cool with a 200 lobi upgrade. They still make some money that way, since you have to open lockboxes to get it.

hyperionx09 · October 2015

100 Lobi for Event and Promotional ships (Breen Cruiser and Voth Bulwark for example) and 200 Lobi for Non-Event/Non-Promotional ships (Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer and Tal Shiar Adapted Battlecruiser for example).

As to one of my favorite ships, Upgrade the Lt Tac of the Voth Bulwark to Lt.Cmdr then add Intel to the LtCmdr Universal. This would give the Bulwark some teeth while still able to tank and hold the line. It would also entice sales of other Bulwarks when they do finally bring it back.

omega6theta1 · October 2015

The 200 lobi Idea is a good one, I'd even go so far as paying Zen to buy upgrade modules to turn T5u into T6 (can't take credit for this idea because I shamelessly stole the idea from another post somewhere in the forum

) I would LOVE to turn my JHDC into a T6!!.

flash525 · October 2015

Even though I don't use Lock Box Ships, mine would be the Cardassian Galor; and it would be a free upgrade cause the price of the vessel, through the unlocking of the lock box by the purchase of master keys will (or should) be all the justification on price that I'd need.

The consoles would remain the same per the T5U version of it (3/5/3), and the vessel would come with higher hull and shield stats, naturally. The only thing left to change (or in this case, update) would be the Bridge Officer seating, and that would be rather simple. I would alter the seats of the T5U version and release it with the following:

Lt.Cmd Tactical/Intel
Commander Engineering
Lieutenant Engineering/Command
Lieutenant Science
Lieutenant Universal

Am unsure about the mastery trait, something to do with power redistribution (making the ship hull more vulnerable, whilst boosting the weapon and shield power).

Edit: Then I'd put the Keldon into the Lobi Store, with a (3/4/4) console set, and present the Bridge Officer Seating as:

Lieutenant Tactical/Intel
Commander Engineering
Lt.Cmd Science
Lt.Cmd Universal/Command
Ensign Universal

+ Hanger x1 (Hideki Attack Ships x3); they can be stored in that upper pod section.

blitzy4 · October 2015

That's a bit of a hard one My first choice would be an Atrox. add an ensign universal that can use intel, and let the LTC science use command, and and give it a secondary deflector. Maybe allow it to use other carrier pets until the new carrier comes out too.

flash525 · October 2015

blitzy4 wrote: »

That's a bit of a hard one My first choice would be an Atrox. add an ensign universal that can use intel, and let the LTC science use command, and and give it a secondary deflector. Maybe allow it to use other carrier pets until the new carrier comes out too.

The Atrox isn't a Lock Box ship.

blitzy4 · October 2015

oh lockbox.... Umm, a Llaihr (Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer) Upgrade one universal to LTC and let it use intel, and the other use pilot.

dareau · October 2015

Let's go OP as all heck...

Recluse. Cmdr Uni. Lt Cmdr's Tac, Sci, Eng. Each one gets a spec (pilot Tac, Sci Intel, Eng Command.)

Consoles: 4 Sci 4 Tac 3 Eng

Comes with Golden Mesh Weavers, that pack APB III, BFaW III, and an DOffed Aux2Bat build (for 100% uptime on the other skills)

This would be something that could challenge a Scimitar... And doesn't need a pile of SROs, so Feddies and KDF can fly as well...

Oh, forgot her mastery trait - 1% chance for every energy weapon to apply APB effect to enemy.

mustrumridcully0 · October 2015

I hate to be a naysayer*, but so far no pre-existing ship with a Tier 5 or lower Tier version has been given Full Specialization before, and no lockbox or promo ship had a Commander Seat in a specialization.
The speciality of lockbox ships occassionally is that they might have two spec seats, sometimes from different specs.
The Nicor seems like something that could be a mix of Pilot and Intel, the Dromias might be Intel/Command or Pilot/Command.

I think the Temporal Vessels would probably all be popular. I'd say the Science Vessels could get an Intel Seat and the Escorts a Pilot seat.

*) I am a liar.

plaztikman64 · October 2015

These are my favorit Event/Lobi/Lockbox T5(u) ships. Not in this order

but with "proper" BOff layouts.

Hirogen Apex Heavy Battlecruiser

LtCmd Tac, Cmd Eng, LtCmd Sci, Lt Uni, Ens Uni

- "Enhanced" Long Range Sensor Masking (possible clicky), 1 Hangar Bay, build in Energy Siphon III or something with simular stats

Tholian Recluse

Ens Tac, LtCmd Eng, LtCmd Sci, Lt Uni, Cmd Uni

- 4/3 weapons slots?

Ferengi D'Kora Marauder

LtCmd Tac, Lt Tac, Cmd Eng, Lt Eng, Lt Sci

Cardassian Galor Class Cruiser

LtCmd Tac, LtCmd Eng, Cmd Eng, Lt Sci, Ens Uni

- Dual Spiral Wave Beam Banks!!

Breen Chel Grett Warship

Cmd Tac, Lt Tac, LtCmd Sci, LtCmd Eng, Ens Uni

Xindi-Aquatic Narcine Dreadnought Carrier

Cmd Tac, Lt Tac, Lt Eng, Lt Sci, LtCmd Uni

Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser

LtCmd Tac, Cmd Eng, LtCmd Uni, Lt Sci, Ens Uni

- 2x Hangar Bays and upgradeable Transphasic-Chroniton Torpedo Launchers!? ^^

Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser

LtCmd Tac, Lt Eng, LtCmd Sci, Cmd Uni, Ens Uni

- BattleCloak & Singularity Core?

Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer

Cmd Tac, Lt Tac, LtCmd Sci, LtCmd Uni, Lt Uni

- BattleCloak & Singularity Core? 5/3 weapon slots?

I would pay for lots of upgrades at the double, no questions asked. (200 Lobi or 500 Zen or whatever... suatmm & just let me upgrade my toys already!!!

cidjack · October 2015

I would do the following:

Change all seats to universal Commander seats.
Total of 10 console slots for Sci, Tac, and Engineering.
2 hanger bays.
7 Weapon slots, both front and back.
Two warp core slots.

ataloss · October 2015

Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier

Cmd.Tactical
Lt.Tactical
Lt.Cmdr Engineering
Universal Lt.Cmdr

4 Tactical Consoles
4 Engineering Consoles
3 Science Consoles

That's all I want, I'm even willing to forget the whole Frigate pet situation, if I can have a Universal Lt.Commander slot.

breadandcircuses · October 2015

Well, since T5-U was supposedly equivalent to T6, lacking only the Starship Mastery, my original (pre-release) idea had been to duplicate the preexisting "clicky" console ability into the Starship Trait (with minimum cooldown of 2 mins if using both console and Starship Trait), with alternate suggestions for the Galor, etc. that lacked a consoles. At that point, though, "clicky" consoles were still 3 min cooldowns, we didn't know how powerful Starship Traits would be (looking at you Reciprocity, AHOD, etc.), and we didn't know about Hybrid Spec seating.

So... maybe now simply take the T5-U version, bump an Ens seat to Lt (or add an Ens Universal on the very few ships where no Ens currently exists), take a current Lt Cmdr seat and make it a Hybrid, and do the "clicky" console idea but make the minimum cooldown 80 secs (2/3 of standard) when using both the "clicky" console and Starship Trait. That would be the simple method of allowing a full T6 from T5-U stats, and simple is more likely to happen than creating a full set of Starship Traits for the whole pool of T5-U Event/Lobi/Lock Box/Promotion ships.

Realistically, though, it's just not going to happen... they've already re-sold T5-U ships as T6, both C-Store (LRSV Retrofit->Pathfinder) and Lock Box (JHAS "with T6 capabilities"->JHSS, JHRS), and made money doing so. I just don't see us getting proper T6 Upgrades when the whole T6 version could be re-packaged and sold as a new offering. I would like to be wrong about that, though...

warmaker001b · October 2015

I'm thinking a Mega Elachi Release!

T6 Elachi S'golth Escort
Cmdr TAC
Ens ENG
LtCmdr SCI
Lt Universal -> LtCmdr Universal/Intel
Lt Universal -> Lt Universal / Pilot
- Maintain T5U Consoles: 2 ENG, 4 SCI, 5 TAC
- New Console to expand the Elachi Set.

T6 Elachi Monbosh Battleship, or what I like to refer to, the Copy & Paste of the KDF's T5 Fleet Vor'Cha. Cryptic even forgot to remove the Vor'Cha's cloak from Monbosh when the ship was first released but fixed that a few days after

LtCmdr TAC -> LtCmdr TAC/Intel
Cmdr ENG
Ens SCI
Lt Universal -> LtCmdr Universal
Lt Universal -> Lt Universal/Command
- Maintain T5U Consoles: 5 ENG, 2 SCI, 4 TAC
- New Console to expand the Elachi Set.

The 2 revamped Elachi ships will have 2 new consoles total to expand the current Elachi Set from 2 pieces to 4. Set bonus past 2 pieces:
Set 3 - Disruptor Damage Bonus
Set 4 - Reduce Crescent Wave Cannon Barrage cooldown to 1 minute

nathrael · October 2015

warmaker001b wrote: »

I'm thinking a Mega Elachi Release!

T6 Elachi S'golth Escort
Cmdr TAC
Ens ENG
LtCmdr SCI
Lt Universal -> LtCmdr Universal/Intel
Lt Universal -> Lt Universal / Pilot
- Maintain T5U Consoles: 2 ENG, 4 SCI, 5 TAC
- New Console to expand the Elachi Set.

T6 Elachi Monbosh Battleship, or what I like to refer to, the Copy & Paste of the KDF's T5 Fleet Vor'Cha. Cryptic even forgot to remove the Vor'Cha's cloak from Monbosh when the ship was first released but fixed that a few days after
LtCmdr TAC -> LtCmdr TAC/Intel
Cmdr ENG
Ens SCI
Lt Universal -> LtCmdr Universal
Lt Universal -> Lt Universal/Command
- Maintain T5U Consoles: 5 ENG, 2 SCI, 4 TAC
- New Console to expand the Elachi Set.

The 2 revamped Elachi ships will have 2 new consoles total to expand the current Elachi Set from 2 pieces to 4. Set bonus past 2 pieces:
Set 3 - Disruptor Damage Bonus
Set 4 - Reduce Crescent Wave Cannon Barrage cooldown to 1 minute

S'Golth is great, Epic with one thing added: A Hangar bay! If you look at the sides of the ventral surface it looks like it has one. T6 S'Golth Escort Carrier. For the Crescent Cannon, don't cut the cooldown time, cut the charging time. 4 seconds or so.

How would you upgrade your favorite T5U lockbox ship to T6?

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