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Why in STO is now all Beta Quadrant? Voyager strived to get back to the Alpha, the Dominon were trying to destroy the, you guessed it, Alpha. So, why in the game, are every species from the "Alpha" Quadrant instead in the Beta? I always thought it was funny (and annoying for navigating) that the Sol system was on the edge and I know that Quadrants are 100,000 light years wide, so the whole Dominion War only used a tiny part of the Quadrant, but I just don't get the blurred lines.
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Voyager saying they were trying to get home to the Alpha Quadrant and the Dominions calling the powers they were fighting Alpha Quadrants powers was simpler and less clunky than always saying "Alpha and Beta Quadrant" in both circumstances.
The galaxy is 100,000 light years across, so a quadrant would be a quarter slice of a 100,000 light year diameter circle composed of radii of 50,000 light years from center to rim.
One producer also said "Alpha" just sounded better than "Beta" (in more of a social context.) But that's DS9 and VOY era star trek for you.
"We're number one!" (in a non-aggressive and ultimately peaceful way that will let us reasonably state a case for our moral superiority (code word: principles) despite this really being a subjective issue which we can only approach from a completely different evolutionary history. Fortunately, you are also arbitrarily evil so the audience won't notice the moral complexity of us blowing your ship up because the tropes of modern literature are on our side!)
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This. The devs aren't idiots or incompetent. They are simply following the source material that is available to them.
This has been explained many MANY times, try the forums search feature.
Actually, one of the most skilled, friendly, and pleasant DEVs I and many others have met is the one who explained and IIRC was behind this. So insulting them doesn't really fit here.
Basically, if they had placed Sol in the Alpha Quad it would have forced many new FED toons into tons of map transitions just to get through their starting arc, so this was a QoL thing. Get off their backs.
Mods, please close this thread as un-necessary, inflamitory, and I believe also on the FCT.
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Just checked the FCT and this is NOT listed there, please add it. This gets asked about once a month on average.
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Because you learn about Trek astronomy at college? Because there are no Alpha and Beta quadrants in real life science.
I tried to take that course in college, but the crazy administration told me I wasn't allowed to make up my own classes!
Where are The Badlands - The Alpha Quadrant
Where was Voyager when it got pulled into the Delta Quadrant - in the Badlands in the Alpha Quadrant
If Voyager returned from where it left it would be in what Quadrant - Yes, that's right the Alpha Quadrant
Edit: Sorry big TRIBBLE-up, I meant Alpha. Corrected
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And do NOT close this thread.
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It seems the people who were behind the Star Trek Star Charts book were so caught up in the details (trying to coincide real star systems with imaginary ones from writers, etc.) they completely missed the SPIRIT of what was portrayed on-screen (Earth, Klingons, Romulans, in the Alpha Quadrant, etc). Just take a look at Nimbus III for one example, it's pretty clear from what is shown on-screen that it is supposed to be located at the nexus of the Federation, Klingon, and Romulan borders. Where is it shown on the Star Charts map? About as far away from Klingon space as you can get.
If they can't get something as easy as this right, it's no wonder they messed up the entire Quardrant designation too.
Unfortunately, this is all Cryptic has to go by when making our game maps.
arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1203368/pve-content-a-list-of-gamewide-polishing-pass-suggestions
The other issue is that you have 20 different writers all just giving random names and distances for places and not using any mutual resource, quite frankly I'm amazed the chart makers were as close as they were given the writers.
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Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
earth is right on the border half in the alpha and half in the beta, in game terms it would be illogical to show earth as being in both quadrants so the decision was made to put it in the beta, you can see this quite clearly if you look at these maps.
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http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/trek-initiative/images/4/4b/ST_Universe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130620181334
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http://i.space.com/images/i/12757/i02/milky-way-galaxy-08.jpg
I guess as we already had to cross a border to get into Bajor & ds9 territory it was more strait forward to leave it that way.
its true that in voyager they always referred to getting back to the alpha quadrant but it could be said to be in both quadrant's so I guess for the show they just opted to refer to it as in the alpha though it could also be argued that they started their journey at DS9 which is most definitely in the alpha quadrant so they could have been referring to returning to their starting point.
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No sector map represents an entire quadrant. If you hit the largest scale map in-game you'll see small little blocks projected on the galaxy, illustrating just how much space playable space takes up in the total. It's not much. And no, don't expect proportional travel times in this video game. I don't want to plan my Delta Rising playthrough years in advance.
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Just let. This. Rest. The reasons have been stated and they won't change a damn thing about these maps now. And I am happy with the current zones and explanations given.
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actually The Badlands were located in sector 21305 along the Federation-Cardassian border in the Alpha quadrant and during the Cardassian occupation of Bajor during the mid-24th century, the Bajoran resistance used the Badlands as a refuge from Cardassian patrols.
as both Bajor and Cardassia are both in the alpha quadrant I doulbt you would find either the Bajoran resistance or Cardassian patrols in the Beta quadrant.
also note - The Bajoran wormhole connected two points in the Milky Way Galaxy together 70,000 light years apart. One terminus was located in the Alpha Quadrant, in the Denorios belt of the Bajoran system. The other terminus was located in deep space in the Gamma Quadrant.
all this information is available on Memory Alpha web site.
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
This oh so much!
Why not, this discussion is a topic that has been discussed whined about, answered, answered again by a DEV, whined about, discussed, and discussed again.
SERVES
NO
PURPOSE!
So close it, please, and add it to the FCT so we may never have to go through it all again (wishful thinking).
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bobbydazlers: Sorry I did mean to write Alpha instead. The point I was trying to make was about all the people complaining that Voyager was trying to make it back to the Alpha Quadrant, blah, blah.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I second this.
Geez, those forums are so f***** up sometimes, and I´m not talking about Vanilla.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I know, but I still would be pleased to see the Sol system moved to the Alpha Quadrant so that Romulan and Klingon space would no longer be plagued by the sort of Zone chat which was once restricted to ESD, the Sol system, and one sector block ...
Our galaxy is, in fact, 100,000 light years across. No, really, it's a scientific fact. Voyager's distance from where they originated was listed at about 70,000 light years during Caretaker, right in the script. Ask yourself, if a quadrant was 100,000 light years across, how could this be? At best, they'd be at the very near part of a neighboring quadrant, assuming they started halfway or so out, which is roughly how far out from center Earth is at approximately 30,000 light years out.