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Fleet Founders - Forceable Removal
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Hello everyone, I apologize if this question sounds stupid but I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.
Regarding fleet founders who seem to lose interest or stop playing. I know that other fleet members can kick those of higher rank after a certain amount of inactivity. How long does one have to be away before a fleet founder can be removed due to inactivity by other fleet members?
Regarding fleet founders who seem to lose interest or stop playing. I know that other fleet members can kick those of higher rank after a certain amount of inactivity. How long does one have to be away before a fleet founder can be removed due to inactivity by other fleet members?
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I've seen that too and totally agree with the method, but leaders don't always kick each other. Our fleet XTERN1TY and larger STOAN network is living proof a cooperative system can succeed. We have multiple leaders with founders in our fleet, we know each other well, all get along with each other and work together peacefully. There has not been any serious issue at the leader level since one of our leaders chose to leave for his conflict of interest with troll groups. He would have been better off sticking with us for the longterm, but I respect his choice. No fellow leader I've worked with has ever stabbed me in the back in any guild I've run because I haven't given them any reason to.
Human nature is reinforced by example. If we set the example of cooperation and fairness towards fellow leaders and members, they are likely to think and do the same back. Similarly, if someone is trying to do more than they can handle, they will not be fair towards others and associates will see with your experience and consequent wary thinking. Don't get me wrong, I am cautious too, but by not being afraid to put people to the proof, I get to see how they truly behave and take it on a person to person basis; not form limiting opinions based on past experience.
Kicking a leader is designed to be difficult if it's being done without consent. Few realize it's actually an effective tool to keep leaders working together. It's been utilized in our fleet successfully and recently for Armada fleet leaders of the STOAN network. Single fleet leaders who've heard of our system have been appalled, how dare you, they've said; you're going to fail, they'll kick you etc... . They don't realize the risks are actually quite minimal, especially if you use the leadership system as a unifying tool combined with good judge of character and respect for fellow leaders.
I've done it successfully and can tell you, it works. No one needs to be alone at the top of the ladder, not if you keep your friends with you like I have.
If you're a leader with full power (not on probation), just demote and at the end of the time shown on the roster ( -7 days), the leader will be demoted. During that probationary time period, another leader may come on and cancel the demotion. Also, you may not demote any other leader while the timer is running. After demotion you may then rank the ex-leader or kick at will.
Like @arthurpewty says, if you demote and they become active, don't re-rank unless you know them well, because at that point, they may motivated to revenge themselves. If you kick them, that goes double. Those rules universally apply unless you're an effective communicator like me and can empathize on their level to make them understand your reasons for the action and sincerity to cooperate again. If unsure, don't gamble with your fleet.
Leaderboard TRIBBLE don't matter, because for the last two years, i couldn't contribute fleet marks to my fleet because of the fact we were busy around the clock, and i could not exactly leave my fleet. I covered doffs though. I also tried to help members get rich off those tier 5 magic projects they just nerfed, but no one wanted to take the time to fill duty officers, so i also used that, because nobody wanted to use it ( everyone knew it could lead to arguing and complaining and fighting over it, so we used it when necessary and that was it, we actually shared it without fighting about it once. )
I agree though if a fleet leader is not contributing anything, they need to go, as they are blatantly using their members. And all members should watch the bank log, to make sure their leaders are not blatantly ripping them off either.
And it takes 2 weeks to demote a rank 7. ALL rank 7s need to be inactive, and a rank 6 can "claim" the fleet, after 30 days of inactivity from ALL rank 7's. If your in a fleet with 1 Rank 7, as well, your "probably" in a fleet with a greedy TRIBBLE leader, and it would only get worse if they do not contribute to anything.... those are signs yer in a really junk fleet.
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