Nyberrite Alliance, this way there could be a faction that utilises existing races and could add several others, KDF and FED boffs and everything in between.
Dosi are also allies of the Dominion. So are the Son'a from Insurrection, which opens up even more possibilities for ship options.
Son'a merely produced Ketracel White in large quantities for unspecified reasons (quite possibly having nothing to do with the Dominion, Riker referred to it simply as a "narcotic") and the Dosi at best Dominion trading partners.
Weyoun specifically ordered Dominion ships to protect the Son'a colony at the Devos II outpost instead of pursuing the Defiant which was leaving the area. Damar questioned these orders because he felt the Son'a should be able to defend their colony by themselves.
To me that's pretty explicit that the Son'a were allies of the Dominion, or friendly enough that the Dominion considered them important enough to devote warships to.
I also think it's important to look for reasons to be inclusive of species/ships not represented in STO rather than looking for reasons to exclude them.
The Son'a are not represented in STO at all, and while I thought Insurrection was bad, I think they deserve their moment in STO's story, with all the bells and whistles included. I believe if they were to show up in STO, a Dominion faction would be a great foundation to base them off of, since it could include others.
Ditto for the Karemma. The dominion don't seem to form long-term alliances (those they made with AQ powers were largely out of necessity and its likely they would have eventually been made client species, which DON'T serve in the Dominion military [making a non-Vorta, non-Jem'Hadar dominion player captain very taboo for an authentic faction].)
A client species is still a species. Karemma, Dosi... while they were one-off species or background species in the show, they were still represented to the point Cryptic could add them to a Dominion faction. The Gorn/Orions/Letheans/Nausicaans don't have a lot to do with the KDF in the shows, but through the Path to 2409 they were included through various ways.
I see no reason why a Dominion faction can't be inclusive of others as well. Maybe the True Way or the Breen Confederacy could rejoin the Dominion. We could go back to The New Link and see how they're doing. Or the "Alpha" Jem'Hadar who were decidely different from "Gamma' Jem'Hadar.
We could have a Dominion faction comprised of all these races seen in the shows and movies, with all of their ships. Instead of picking one or two, we could just pull several under one roof.
And maybe if Cryptic can pay Rene Auberjoinois enough, we could see Odo's influence on the Dominion and pull the Dominion into the alliance to assist the KDF and Romulan Republic.
I personally wouldn't mind hearing Odo say "Congratulations, Legate." or whatever military rank system the Dominion incorporated whenever I rank up.
The more factions they add, the less content all the other ones get, and if anything, I'd prefer to see more content for the Romulans and KDF. Outfits especially.
Let's say they add a new faction now. Then another later. Then several more after that. Would it be practical for them to make 6 or more variants of the same basic ship design so that every faction is included every time they want to release a ship? Of course not.
New playable races for existing factions would be fantastic, but no new factions are needed. I'd rather they spent time making content every faction can enjoy--episodes, adventure/battlezones, queued content, etc.
I'd roll a Cardassian. The other races really don't interest me as far as wanting them to be playable.
Oh well, im more interested in other races, precisely because a Cardassian faction will be a "meh" faction with a pile of non sense holes in the middle of their faction story. If you want a cardassian faction because of the content.. think again lol.
Not because of whatever content there may or may not be... Just to have a Cardassian character with a unique story.
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I said the Dominion, but I regret that once I put more thought into it. I asked myself what faction could fit into the Alliance without major plot revisions to the story line, and that lead me to realize the only realistic choice is the Cardassians. They've been a kind of NPC member of the alliance for a while now, a Cardassian Ambassador appears in many of the diplomatic scenes already, as well as during the DS9 episodes. I believe the Cardassians are members of the Alliance already.
I know some are worried that it would be too much like the Romulans, but actually the Cardassians are in the opposite position. The Romulan Republic is the underdog compared to the Tal Shiar and the Selas' forces, they're freedom fighters that have chosen to ally with the federation and Klingon Empire to counter balance that threat. The Republic this alliance freely.
The Cardassian Union on the other hand is not a rebellion, many of its institutions, while made more democractic and accountable and remain from long ago, they still have they're homeworld were they're species evovled and has thousands of years of history, but they have a terrorist problem, True Way. They also have possible challenges in the form of possible Dominion Survivors not all of whom were nessassarily evacuated when the Dominion left and have to be assimulated into Cardassian Society somehow.
I think of the Romulan Republic as a mix of earily United States of America with elements of Canada (such as the two solitudes), while I see the Cardassian Union as post World War II Germany/Italy/Japan, with neonazi terrorists.
Why do so many of these polls omit the "None" or "No" option?
.. or the "None of the above" option.
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I answered Suliban as I already have one, a Fed!Rom created as an alien.
Of course if they went and added a de jure Suliban race I'd be kind of screwed, unless they also added race change tokens to the store. My existing one just hit 60 and was a Delta Recruit. It would kind of suck to have to delete her and start over.
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I don't think Dominion ships will be part of any future Cardassian faction. Simply because they've released every Dominion ship there ever was already. It would be weird to see non-Cardassians flying their faction specific ships. Just like it would be weird to see Klingons and Humans fly a Romulan warbird.
Cryptic repackages ships, including lockbox ships with slightly different skins and better stats and sells them to players who have already purchased their previous version -- with no discounts. If they're lockbox ships, they have to hit the jackpot again after hitting the jackpot for the previous version, which already is very slim odds. Or they have to buy them off the exchange at extremely high prices (again).
If you think Cardassian and Dominion lockbox ships are going to contradict Cryptic's business ethics with the reality that they would be re-selling ships players already have, or because it wouldn't be "fair" or seem "immersion-breaking", in my opinion that's a little naive.
None of these things will stand in Cryptic's way of releasing a Cardassian/Dominion faction in a playable form, if there is money to be made from it.
You put business ethics, and cryptic in the same sentence. Joke aside, I see your point.
Even a Cardassian faction will be a little "meh". So, nah no vote.
Actually a Cardy faction would be easy since DS9 left them as a broken society. STO can make any storyline to explain how they rebuilt themselves after the fall of the Obsidian Order and the Cardassian Military. They can also fill the big blank about why/how the True Way came into existence (that is the theme of any Cardy storyline progression), along with throwing in some Iconian backstory.
While I would like to see a Cardassian/free jem'hadar (fugitive Vorta as a C-store option) playable faction with a story built around the fight with the growing True Way as the federations resources are diverted away to handle the various larger threats, I really don't think Cryptic could pull it off.
The others, either should probably be parts of the factions we already have, or I don't see how they could fit into the storyline.
I don't think Dominion ships will be part of any future Cardassian faction. Simply because they've released every Dominion ship there ever was already. It would be weird to see non-Cardassians flying their faction specific ships. Just like it would be weird to see Klingons and Humans fly a Romulan warbird.
Cryptic repackages ships, including lockbox ships with slightly different skins and better stats and sells them to players who have already purchased their previous version -- with no discounts. If they're lockbox ships, they have to hit the jackpot again after hitting the jackpot for the previous version, which already is very slim odds. Or they have to buy them off the exchange at extremely high prices (again).
If you think Cardassian and Dominion lockbox ships are going to contradict Cryptic's business ethics with the reality that they would be re-selling ships players already have, or because it wouldn't be "fair" or seem "immersion-breaking", in my opinion that's a little naive.
None of these things will stand in Cryptic's way of releasing a Cardassian/Dominion faction in a playable form, if there is money to be made from it.
You put business ethics, and cryptic in the same sentence. Joke aside, I see your point.
Yeah, we've seen several variants of a LOT of ships. The idea they would continue to do so does not stretch credulity.
Why do so many of these polls omit the "None" or "No" option?
.. or the "None of the above" option.
There is the "other" option...if you like none of the above. Some for instance might like a Caitian or Anticans (dog race)...or whatever your heart desires
Sad truth is to give justice to what Trek factions are they all should be independent ie no alliance, have their holdings, compete with each other in territorial PVP same way as in Eve Online and extensive story content.
However the game code only allows for a dual competition with half factions as the Romulan Republic acting like reinforcements.
IF they do new ones the first would be the democratic Cardassians and then will come the rebel Dominion races
making them still half factions who choose allegiance to either (which is also absurd story-wise).
I will make my voice heard here: IF they do this I will not support this policy buying anything related to them with real money.
I've been a silver player because I obtained a then max level ship with the first Anniversary I saw, the T5 Ambassador, and didn't like the current T6 ships nor needed anything better to do what I like, story content and roleplaying with canon or canon friendly ships.
Now with the excellent Delta Recruit expansion I had reasons to create a federal alt and he will need a ship and I' m considering to invest some money for the coming T6 Escort Carrier which I sought after for long.
However I will surely not buy but at best grinding in the exchange for items related to content which I am not fully satisfied with like the half factions because I would support a desing choice I don't enjoy.
I understand they probably cannot do anything like EVE player-driven free factions competition,
but they could still get off with the whole stupid "alliance" thing since all factions are already allied
and give each faction at least their own holdings themed with their race canon, ie DS9-looking starbases for the Cardassians for instance.
That would be enough for me to call them fully-fledged factions, whatever they do together against the common Iconian enemy notwithstanding.
However Cryptic has to make money from the Pvpers too, for how important they may be they cannot ignore the extra profit,
so they will still release half factions who must choose an ally at early level and have no starbases, mines or they own embassies and go to allied ones one of top of another...
...So I choose Xindi to have new content for the only faction ingame made canon-friendly. Don't ever dare make them able to ally with the Klingons, Cryptic.
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Dosi are also allies of the Dominion. So are the Son'a from Insurrection, which opens up even more possibilities for ship options.
Son'a merely produced Ketracel White in large quantities for unspecified reasons (quite possibly having nothing to do with the Dominion, Riker referred to it simply as a "narcotic") and the Dosi at best Dominion trading partners.
Weyoun specifically ordered Dominion ships to protect the Son'a colony at the Devos II outpost instead of pursuing the Defiant which was leaving the area. Damar questioned these orders because he felt the Son'a should be able to defend their colony by themselves.
To me that's pretty explicit that the Son'a were allies of the Dominion, or friendly enough that the Dominion considered them important enough to devote warships to.
I also think it's important to look for reasons to be inclusive of species/ships not represented in STO rather than looking for reasons to exclude them.
The Son'a are not represented in STO at all, and while I thought Insurrection was bad, I think they deserve their moment in STO's story, with all the bells and whistles included. I believe if they were to show up in STO, a Dominion faction would be a great foundation to base them off of, since it could include others.
I just re-read this and realized you left out the best reason to use the Son'a. their ships look cool! Also that subspace tear power (Isolytic burst) that the one ship used seems like it could make a fun console power. Hehe... a grav well that chases you? Sounds adequately evil.
I personally wouldn't mind hearing Odo say "Congratulations, Legate." or whatever military rank system the Dominion incorporated whenever I rank up.
Cardassian! It's the next true faction with enough on-screen information to create enough backstory. We already have Borg, and putting in playable spheres/cubes would be tantamount to suicide. No matter how much the players want OP ships, there had to be a limit (Think along the lines of the discussion on the Krenim)...
Cardassian, all the way!
CM
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Cardassian! It's the next true faction with enough on-screen information to create enough backstory. We already have Borg, and putting in playable spheres/cubes would be tantamount to suicide. No matter how much the players want OP ships, there had to be a limit (Think along the lines of the discussion on the Krenim)...
Cardassian, all the way!
CM
Spheres and cubes don't strike me as OP anymore. We already have flyable Undine ships. I wouldn't mind people flying them. I just think it would be dry as a faction. I'd rather see Borg ships in a lockbox or lobi store so people could put them on their Liberated Borg.
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This was a tough call for me. Personally though, Borg win each time. The liberated version were a huge let down because like every thing else, Cryptic kind of did nothing with them. Big hype, little pay off. My second choice was easily Dominion, as I would have loved to play a Jem'Hadar. No clue why, but they just seem like they would be an awesome choice for rolling DPS.
Spoonheads all the way- with all the devastation that Cardassia suffered towards the end of the Dominion War it's going to provide plenty of interesting story opportunities. And the fact that some Cardassian ships are already in the game, including the playable Galor means it's the only logical choice for the next faction.
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Weyoun specifically ordered Dominion ships to protect the Son'a colony at the Devos II outpost instead of pursuing the Defiant which was leaving the area. Damar questioned these orders because he felt the Son'a should be able to defend their colony by themselves.
To me that's pretty explicit that the Son'a were allies of the Dominion, or friendly enough that the Dominion considered them important enough to devote warships to.
I also think it's important to look for reasons to be inclusive of species/ships not represented in STO rather than looking for reasons to exclude them.
The Son'a are not represented in STO at all, and while I thought Insurrection was bad, I think they deserve their moment in STO's story, with all the bells and whistles included. I believe if they were to show up in STO, a Dominion faction would be a great foundation to base them off of, since it could include others.
A client species is still a species. Karemma, Dosi... while they were one-off species or background species in the show, they were still represented to the point Cryptic could add them to a Dominion faction. The Gorn/Orions/Letheans/Nausicaans don't have a lot to do with the KDF in the shows, but through the Path to 2409 they were included through various ways.
I see no reason why a Dominion faction can't be inclusive of others as well. Maybe the True Way or the Breen Confederacy could rejoin the Dominion. We could go back to The New Link and see how they're doing. Or the "Alpha" Jem'Hadar who were decidely different from "Gamma' Jem'Hadar.
We could have a Dominion faction comprised of all these races seen in the shows and movies, with all of their ships. Instead of picking one or two, we could just pull several under one roof.
And maybe if Cryptic can pay Rene Auberjoinois enough, we could see Odo's influence on the Dominion and pull the Dominion into the alliance to assist the KDF and Romulan Republic.
I personally wouldn't mind hearing Odo say "Congratulations, Legate." or whatever military rank system the Dominion incorporated whenever I rank up.
The more factions they add, the less content all the other ones get, and if anything, I'd prefer to see more content for the Romulans and KDF. Outfits especially.
Let's say they add a new faction now. Then another later. Then several more after that. Would it be practical for them to make 6 or more variants of the same basic ship design so that every faction is included every time they want to release a ship? Of course not.
New playable races for existing factions would be fantastic, but no new factions are needed. I'd rather they spent time making content every faction can enjoy--episodes, adventure/battlezones, queued content, etc.
Not because of whatever content there may or may not be... Just to have a Cardassian character with a unique story.
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I know some are worried that it would be too much like the Romulans, but actually the Cardassians are in the opposite position. The Romulan Republic is the underdog compared to the Tal Shiar and the Selas' forces, they're freedom fighters that have chosen to ally with the federation and Klingon Empire to counter balance that threat. The Republic this alliance freely.
The Cardassian Union on the other hand is not a rebellion, many of its institutions, while made more democractic and accountable and remain from long ago, they still have they're homeworld were they're species evovled and has thousands of years of history, but they have a terrorist problem, True Way. They also have possible challenges in the form of possible Dominion Survivors not all of whom were nessassarily evacuated when the Dominion left and have to be assimulated into Cardassian Society somehow.
I think of the Romulan Republic as a mix of earily United States of America with elements of Canada (such as the two solitudes), while I see the Cardassian Union as post World War II Germany/Italy/Japan, with neonazi terrorists.
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I would absolutely have to roll a Changeling.
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.. or the "None of the above" option.
Of course if they went and added a de jure Suliban race I'd be kind of screwed, unless they also added race change tokens to the store. My existing one just hit 60 and was a Delta Recruit. It would kind of suck to have to delete her and start over.
You put business ethics, and cryptic in the same sentence.
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Actually a Cardy faction would be easy since DS9 left them as a broken society. STO can make any storyline to explain how they rebuilt themselves after the fall of the Obsidian Order and the Cardassian Military. They can also fill the big blank about why/how the True Way came into existence (that is the theme of any Cardy storyline progression), along with throwing in some Iconian backstory.
While I would like to see a Cardassian/free jem'hadar (fugitive Vorta as a C-store option) playable faction with a story built around the fight with the growing True Way as the federations resources are diverted away to handle the various larger threats, I really don't think Cryptic could pull it off.
The others, either should probably be parts of the factions we already have, or I don't see how they could fit into the storyline.
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However the game code only allows for a dual competition with half factions as the Romulan Republic acting like reinforcements.
IF they do new ones the first would be the democratic Cardassians and then will come the rebel Dominion races
making them still half factions who choose allegiance to either (which is also absurd story-wise).
I will make my voice heard here: IF they do this I will not support this policy buying anything related to them with real money.
I've been a silver player because I obtained a then max level ship with the first Anniversary I saw, the T5 Ambassador, and didn't like the current T6 ships nor needed anything better to do what I like, story content and roleplaying with canon or canon friendly ships.
Now with the excellent Delta Recruit expansion I had reasons to create a federal alt and he will need a ship and I' m considering to invest some money for the coming T6 Escort Carrier which I sought after for long.
However I will surely not buy but at best grinding in the exchange for items related to content which I am not fully satisfied with like the half factions because I would support a desing choice I don't enjoy.
I understand they probably cannot do anything like EVE player-driven free factions competition,
but they could still get off with the whole stupid "alliance" thing since all factions are already allied
and give each faction at least their own holdings themed with their race canon, ie DS9-looking starbases for the Cardassians for instance.
That would be enough for me to call them fully-fledged factions, whatever they do together against the common Iconian enemy notwithstanding.
However Cryptic has to make money from the Pvpers too, for how important they may be they cannot ignore the extra profit,
so they will still release half factions who must choose an ally at early level and have no starbases, mines or they own embassies and go to allied ones one of top of another...
...So I choose Xindi to have new content for the only faction ingame made canon-friendly. Don't ever dare make them able to ally with the Klingons, Cryptic.
My character Tsin'xing
Cardassian, all the way!
CM
Spheres and cubes don't strike me as OP anymore. We already have flyable Undine ships. I wouldn't mind people flying them. I just think it would be dry as a faction. I'd rather see Borg ships in a lockbox or lobi store so people could put them on their Liberated Borg.
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