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The top bar shows maximum (peak) simultaneous logins for the 7-day period ending Sun/Mon midnight. Last week's .simultaneous login count was the lowest recorded for the 3 years of tracking data.
/cue WKs, "I don't use Steam so you don't have a sandwich"
The top bar shows maximum (peak) simultaneous logins for the 7-day period ending Sun/Mon midnight. Last week's .simultaneous login count was the lowest recorded for the 3 years of tracking data.
/cue WKs, "I don't use Steam so you don't have a sandwich"
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so? .........
Do I need to quote the FCT again?
Apparently so.
"Steam usage stats proves this game is dying!
No, it doesn't.
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Originally Posted by pweadamanteus View Post
Ok, let's say a few things here...
First, only a very small portion of STO's playerbase comes from Steam...this has always been the case. So, using the steam charts that many seem to be quoting and using every couple weeks really is not giving you a good picture.
Second, Steam users have had to deal with some Zen purchasing errors over the past couple of months as Steam is switching from using a universal currency to the currencies of individual countries/regions. I.E. Steam enables new currencies without a heads up to developers, users start to have purchasing errors in games/companies that have their own currency, and then the developers have to figure out what happened and make adjustments to their billing systems and coding in the game so the new currencies are supported. This has driven some users to abandon STO on Steam and go through Arc or directly through the launcher.
Third, as we do have the Arc platform, it is easier to run contests, post news, etc. on Arc so more users are using Arc since you get the most up to date news and contests by using it. And Arc is not spyware or bloatware for those making that accusation. There are even other players who have checked out the Arc coding themselves and there is no spyware or bloatware associated with Arc.
Basically, what I'm saying, is that all you get for STO from looking at the steam charts site is that less people are using STO through Steam. That doesn't reflect on any other statistic. While I can't release our total numbers, I can say that the Steam charts do not follow the pattern of the total numbers and the steam charts cause us no worries at all."
- the war is inexistent
- another reputation grind isn't exactly the most exciting feature possible
- the new queues are just the same old (I played each of them twice and got bored with them already). There's not even a red alert involving the Heralds
- the most recent history of lags and bugs who took months to resolve (or still remain unsolved) drove many players away
- communication with players went back to the same old (what was that all about? One short burst of intense communication with players and then back to nothing again?)
- livestreams who kept players excited about new content are completely gone
- advanced queues are no longer meant for casual players (and the changes to the reward system and failing conditions come way to late)
- Cryptic artificially inflated the dilithium/zen exchange price through constant sales so you now have to grind twice as long to get enough dilithium together to buy a new ship
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This is just Ursus being Ursus. The man hates the game, claims to not play it any more, yet constantly needs to post on the forum how the game is dying. More then anything I am sad for him, as he cannot seem to break away from a game he has nothing but disdain for. It just goes to show how sad of an individual Ursus is.
This. I've moved over to Arc myself from Steam on my new build PC. I'm sure now that the initial "resistance" to Arc has subsided many others may have too.
Quoting metrics from Steam is only quoting partial metrics, and therefore not the full picture.
Ursus has serious social problems and this is coming from a Brony.
If that's you, next, it's okay. You can come out of the closet. There's no secret IDs in Star Trek anyway.
Of course they are...
People will twist the truth as much as they want to get people to believe what they do.
Ursus doesn't enjoy the game so he doesn't want anyone else enjoying it.
I might have believed OP if I was new to STO but anyone who has been visiting the forums for years knows that these threads with "Unequivocal proof" that the game is dying have been showing up every season and every season they're complete and utter Bull.
This reminds me of that Olympic conspiracy that I'm sure I've mentioned before
Back in the 2012 London Olympics there was a conspiracy flying around that the Illuminati were going to stage a boycott in the Olympic opening ceremony and they were going to fake an Alien landing and the third world war would begin and the population would be forced into concentration camps, the theorist referenced to the "triangular" stage lights in the stadium
Obviously this is no where near as serious as a global conspiracy but it just goes to show people have "proof" to back up even the most ridiculous of lies.
Steam metrics are awesome for steamworks games. MMOs? Not really.
Steam keeps my games updated, but when it just launches a launcher, it isn't really useful, so people will use Steam to find and buy games and DLCs, even MMOs, but they will tend to drop Steam usage in favor of a specific client (ARC in this case) if it proves more useful and if they start dedicating a good chunk of time to a particular MMO.
The 30-day window includes the initial spike from Risa (trade ins). But here we are in week 2 of the Risa grindathon and the bottom has already fallen out from the login bump. Maybe they will come back for week 3 though... The trend is not your friend here
Maybe the numbers of gamers on Steam has not declined?
Maybe STO is unable to attract gamers in general?
That is what the data suggests
The list of active space-based MMOs keeps growing (as your signature suggests). Every MMO I'm aware of (that isn't brand new / just launched) is in the same situation.
It's nothing new to MMOs, they bleed users over long periods, every few years "relaunch" and gain users, then bleed users again till next big event/relaunch.
In order to say something about a population, the sample must be from the whole population. Unfortunately, the steam charts only show a portion of the population the OP is talking about and so cannot be used to say anything about the population as a whole.
All Steam charts shows is how many people have either the game running or just the launcher open. Yep, while the game is down and people are updating, steam charts will show people are on STO. It's totally useless data...
Or just maybe the opposite of your comments?
As I said, you are quoting a half truth. Metrics, like so many things in life, can be interpreted in many ways. As you are doing, by bending the stats to fit your premise.
Actually rmy1081 above says it much better than I.
Letsee...
Data point 1 isn't representational of Data pool A. A part is not the definition of its whole.
You've made an argument of reputation suggesting that a blanket statement of everyone is a liar. Especially with lump summing one develeoper who made the comment of Delta Rising with someone who literally dealt with login info.
You reversed the burden of proof with providing evidence.
Yeah, not a good post.
I'm closing the thread because as it had been mentioned time and time again, that one data set of Steam users doesn't represent the whole, when there are clearly users going to ARC from Steam.