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RE: Azure Nebula Rescue
grethore
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Azure Nebula Rescue
Can something be done to this STF so that people will stop cheesing the mechanics please???
What I mean is, there are "certain people" who deliberately fly under the large asteroids where the ships are being held and get just close enough to disengage the tractor beams holding the ships. Thus, causing the tholian ships there to go bye bye and the team gets the points for that ship released.
I thought the whole point was to have to fight and defeat those tholian ships in order to release the captive ships. I mean ya, we do still get the points and all, but it does kinda kill the fun of it. That entire STF can be done like that and you don't have to fight a single ship to get a lot of points. Even if you ask someone politely not to do it, the response is usually hostile in the vein of, "I don't care. I'm only after the marks and I'll do what I want."
It just kills the fun of it, and makes you wonder, "why bother?"
Can something be done to this STF so that people will stop cheesing the mechanics please???
What I mean is, there are "certain people" who deliberately fly under the large asteroids where the ships are being held and get just close enough to disengage the tractor beams holding the ships. Thus, causing the tholian ships there to go bye bye and the team gets the points for that ship released.
I thought the whole point was to have to fight and defeat those tholian ships in order to release the captive ships. I mean ya, we do still get the points and all, but it does kinda kill the fun of it. That entire STF can be done like that and you don't have to fight a single ship to get a lot of points. Even if you ask someone politely not to do it, the response is usually hostile in the vein of, "I don't care. I'm only after the marks and I'll do what I want."
It just kills the fun of it, and makes you wonder, "why bother?"
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Nothing wrong with doing it and it's actually one of the few PVE queues where you can get quite far without firing a shot, meaning it's not all about DPS in this one.
Generally, though, if I'm fairly certain I have a teammate nearby I go in 'guns blazing' FAWing all the Tholians to give my teammate cover to get the ship freed.
It really depends on your team, if you are teamed up with sneaky players go in guns blazing and give them some cover!
Otherwise, just keep an eye open and be sneaky. :P
Dps doesn't have to be the solution to everything, sometimes a battle can be won before the first shot is fired.
But do you honestly think it was an "intended" tactic?
Secondly, So what if you can roflstomp them. You're supposed to be fighting them anyways. If you are roflstomping them, perhaps YOU are outgearing the content and level. Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should. What I'm saying is, there's 4 other people there with you. Maybe they don't want you to do that either. Don't ruin it for others just because you're not in the mood to play the content as designed. That's all I'm saying.
Assuming that blowing them up is the objective is... just that, an assumption.
Since they warp out after the ship is released it is a fair assesment that the Tholians are only there as an obstruction to the objective, not the objective itself.
And if you can 'roflstomp' them, then you can 'brute' your way through them to the objective, that doesn't mean others can do that, or even want to.
If you want to mindlessly blow TRIBBLE up, then perhaps you should stick with doing patrols in Argala, STF's generally require some higher brain functions to complete.
And yes, even tactics.
shhh or the nerf bat will come out lol
Yes. Or at the very least the intent is for a ship to drag the Tholian defenders away while the team frees the Romulan ships. Otherwise the Tholian ships wouldn't just despawn.
The intended tactics for that map are to free X number of ships in the set time limit. Unless you are cheating outright then using any means at your disposal to free them is fair game!
Would you say it was an unfair tactic if someone had a 100K build and could flatten the Tholians in seconds? By the same logic it takes any possibility of a fight away from the rest of the team.
In fact you said it yourself that someone so powerful has no right being i that queue as they are "over-geared" for it.
So if those capable of fighting are not allowed in and those capable of a "sneak & free" approach are not allowed in, who exactly is allowed to play that mission?
In the off case that you are serious OP if you're there just to blow up lots of stuff, go do a Borg PvE.
Yes. At least one of the intended tactics.
Threat reduction has zero effect if you are generating zero threat to begin with. Tholians like their FAW though.
As to the OP I agree completely. ANR is ridiculously dull. Fly in, shoot nothing, press F, wait. Press F. Wait. Press F. Why did I queue for this garbage? Press F. Watch all the while as the stupid NPCs don't react to what I'm doing.
ANRA is all the worse because the DPS requirements to actually kill the group guarding the ship in a timeframe for getting the optionals are extreme. You really can't do it without the cheesey tactics and are expected to cheese it. It is deliberately designed that way.
You don't like it, but have you tried to do it? Are you good at it? All is fair in love and war, right? Part of what we should do is to find tactics and strategies that work.
Sun Tzu said something like it is a supreme commander that wins a battle without bloodshed. Is releasing the tractor beams without firing a shot not a victory?
I know that it is totally opposite of the standard way of doing things in STO, but it does work if you get good at it. 1 player can go back and forth from two asteroids, arriving in position before the tholians arrive, releasing those tractor beams, then zipping to the other asteroid to repeat the process for an entire run, freeing up the other 4 players to handle the other 2 positions. Use what the team brings to the STF, not what is missing. If you have a player that can do that, let them release tractor beams. What harm is it to you that someone else is good at something different?
Let me get this right....
First you say it's more efficient and requires less effort to do things that way, suggesting that's what you do, IE put in the least amount of effort possible to get what you want. Then you blame the community for not putting in enough effort to get what they want. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You're just perpetuating the problem then.
And how exactly would you want cryptic you reward you for YOUR effort if you are in all top gear and barely trying but putting out bigger numbers versus the guy who is trying his hardest but is a fresh "50" who is just starting the gear up process and isn't putting out those big numbers? Are you to be rewarded for having higher gear and he is punished for not having it?
Secondly, it's not Cryptic's job to foster anything outside of delivering a good product. The animosity and habitualisation is a byproduct of the community itself and particularly from people who feel everyone else has to live up to and play to their standards. You want the community better? Look in the mirror and then decide to make it better. Gotta start somewhere.
Thirdly, yes I know the advanced optionals are hard to get. They're supposed to be. I remember about 3 years ago I saw people in chat CONSTANTLY complaining about the content being too easy. And now people are complaining it's too hard and they cant ROFLStomp everything anymore? //facepalm
Sorry, just calling it like I see it. Oh and FYI, when I go into an STF, I generally try to go balls to the wall, so yes, there are people out there that DO put in their max effort. Sometimes I succeed. Sometimes I fail.