Nice to see the pay2winners are complaining that someone made the race fair to those who can't afford the newest op shiny board. Sorry that these guys stopped you from getting an easy win and made it so you had to have a fair contest at the end.
I won the race the other morning on a rental board. :cool: Before you ask, no, I was not the only competitor, it was a group of about 6-10. I was actually the second one across the finish line but the flag jumped as the #1 racer crossed and drifted by. I was just at the right place at the right time to nab the first flag.
So you have issues with folks who did the grind and got the good boards? I feel bad for you that you are that petty and jealous. Guy seriously instead of being such a cry baby do what I did for the bords build sand castles, dance, hunt horghans and just finish the race. In a day you can have to top board. So buck it up whiner and work for stuff. Life isn't a hand out neither is STO.
Actually I already have the top board having done this event for several years.
(I'm not advocating the use of powers and abilities - all of which ought to be disabled - during the race, by the way, I'm just pointing out why some people might feel the need to do so.)
I haven't seen the shield in the race this year, but I did last year. It's annoying.
As for board speed, it does make a difference. So far, I've been in only one race where I was the only one with the short board. My character easily pulled ahead, and was able to jump off the board and walk to the first place flag with time left over.
The thing is, it was like that last year, with the superior boards. At least this year, with the higher rewards, you don't have to grind nearly as much to get the better board.
Eh, I don't really play Engs myself, but personally I kind of want to applaud the guy who did that. It's a pretty clever use of a defensive ability for a non-combat purpose. If someone threw that up in front of me and I spilled, I'd probably be loling. And then thinking of ways to avoid it next time.
Seriously folks, this isn't even PvP in terms of stakes. You're starship captains in the middle of a war for survival who are taking time off to TRIBBLE around with powered surfboards on a vacation planet --there is no part of this that isn't already hilariously ridiculous and silly. The volume of favors you can pull in over the duration of the event is absolutely vast if that's your thing; you're not really "losing" anything.
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I, for one, am thankful to these heroes of Risa that are attempting to remove the advantage the top-tier-boardhavers command. As a science officer I must commend the ingenuity and dedication of these brave engineers and only wish that the denizens of Risa attempt to incorporate these random obstacles in future races to add to the excitement and unpredictability of the results.
well at least we know which group of trolls is doing this now.... thx dude
Nice to see the pay2winners are complaining that someone made the race fair to those who can't afford the newest op shiny board. Sorry that these guys stopped you from getting an easy win and made it so you had to have a fair contest at the end.
I, for one, am thankful to these heroes of Risa that are attempting to remove the advantage the top-tier-boardhavers command. As a science officer I must commend the ingenuity and dedication of these brave engineers and only wish that the denizens of Risa attempt to incorporate these random obstacles in future races to add to the excitement and unpredictability of the results.
Just a heads up. Ran into a real D-bag on Risa. Player had a Pit-Bull rest of entrees into that race had enhanced and superior and the usual standards, so really no contest as far as speed goes. Any way either that player or a friend threw up a barrier on the ramp right after the dog leg so by time you saw it the barriers being a color that blends into ramp texture it to late to dodge. Chaos ensued so that player who had no real challenge to start was completly guarnteed of a first place finish. Seriously if you are in a race where you already have the fastest board you still feel the need to cheat speaks volumes of how small and petty a player you are.
The OP is saying the guy with the Targ board is the one throwing up the shield even though he was already probably going to win.
you are assuming that other instances have "douchebags" in them, only one race i have thus encountered over the week has attempted an eng barrier, i saw it at the last second, slowed me down none and i was directly behind that one.
however the rest of the races went fine without an issue. in my case, i have yet to see where your "proof" comes into it which means your forcing a minority on the majority as an opinion. thats not a good thing to do.
it isnt the first time someone used a dirty trick to win a race, it wont be the last either. remember the only way you win the race is by getting the flag at the end. and that player who threw up that barrier could just wait at the end and not take the flag, the point is that you are still in the race, from that point of logic, i do not see how it can be changed when technically it was not cheating even if it was a little nasty.
by definition cheating involves taking an illegal shortcut to success, for example the bunny hoppers on the winter race by exploiting the mechanics on purpose on the ice race to beat those who are just running, that is what you call cheating.
an exploit is using an unintended side effect and using it for pure advantage, that is what this eng shield is about. clearly not every device was cancelled out during the race.
in any event in both cases, disabling jump and cover shield ability would eliminate the issues completely.
So, wait, you say my statement is without merit then you say that it's a problem and should be fixed anyway? I haven't personally seen this issue myself, but I have no reason to disbelieve the OP, and my point was that IF/WHEN this becomes a popular method of cheating/trolling/exploiting (semantics) then the OP won't be able to change instance to avoid it. It doesn't help that you won't be aware of the issue until you're already mid-race. At present it seems to be confined to a small number of players but it will grow if it isn't addressed, just as the shortcut in the ice race become more and more prominent over time.
As for whether it's cheating or not, using an exploit to provide an unfair advantage (and you used the word exploit yourself in your definition of cheating) is cheating. The players placing cover shields are providing an unfair advantage, perhaps not to themselves but to other racers.
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The superior boards should have had better handling but not better speed.
Why any captain powers are allowed at all seems a bit odd. Why cover shield is allowed in particular can only be because some dev really likes trolling.
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Similar - I involuntarily did cheat at the race by making first AND second place...
I dunno how exactly that happened, I usually try to jump board when close to the flag at the finishing line, hammered F in the hope to actually get first - and got 125 Lolhnats for 1st and 2nd place. It did not exactly help that I apologized in Zone Chat.
The superior boards should have had better handling but not better speed.
Why any captain powers are allowed at all seems a bit odd. Why cover shield is allowed in particular can only be because some dev really likes trolling.
Actually you can't.
There's some kind of exploit out there allowing people to do this somehow.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Similar - I involuntarily did cheat at the race by making first AND second place...
I dunno how exactly that happened, I usually try to jump board when close to the flag at the finishing line, hammered F in the hope to actually get first - and got 125 Lolhnats for 1st and 2nd place. It did not exactly help that I apologized in Zone Chat.
I had something happen with a 2nd and 3rd place deal, as I was at the flag and it took abit for the diaglogue to come up, I hit f and nothing happen, smashed F again and then it game be the 2nd place winnings, immediately the 3rd popped up near the same spot and it gave me those too.
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I had that happen right in front of me. There was no lag, there was no stealth person... it was just me and another player. The other player got first, I was going for second... and ended up getting third because somehow the other guy got 1st AND 2nd.
And didn't they disable cover shields in social zones already because of people trolling by blocking doors or something?
I had that happen right in front of me. There was no lag, there was no stealth person... it was just me and another player. The other player got first, I was going for second... and ended up getting third because somehow the other guy got 1st AND 2nd.
And didn't they disable cover shields in social zones already because of people trolling by blocking doors or something?
They did, a while back actually. My main is an Engineer and I'm pretty sure he can't use Cover Shield while on Risa, seems likely someone found a way around it.
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My underlying problem with the situation is this is not some in game bug or glitch that players need to adapt to or work around. At it's core this situation stems from a malicious intent on the part of some players to either cheat at winning the race (though I don't know why as there are easier ways to get Favors) or simply hamper others player's enjoyment of the race just because they can. Neither are behaviors that the Devs nor the rest of us should encourage or tolerate as it engenders similar (or even greater) abuses elsewhere.
I highly doubt the people complaining are doing so because they didn't get thier 10th first place victory in a row. Rather I think they are just trying to enjoy the game and would like to do so without another player mucking it up for them for kicks. In that case the perpetrators deserve no praise nor accolades for their behavior. A resolution to the situation, either via programing from the Devs or action on the part of the GMs, hurts no one but the cheaters/trolls and I would personally call into questions the motivations of those attempt to downplay the situation.
This is precisely the issue, IMO. Bottom line is, it's a form of griefing. It's also an exploit, because, as some have already stated, combat abilities (including Cover Shield) are disabled on Risa. So the people doing this are exploiting some kind of weakness/glitch in the system in order to do something that is supposed to be prohibited by the system. That's pretty black and white.
And it's not about the Favors. The race is but one of many ways, and probably not the best, to obtain Favors. The race is, however, the only means to obtain the Monkey tags (or whatever they're called) to get the feathered monkeys. Monkeys which can be traded in for Marks, which are one of the key game currencies. So it's every bit as valid a 'PvP' issue as any exploit someone might pull in a PvP battle, which also provides some manner of end-game gear/currency to the winners.
Similar - I involuntarily did cheat at the race by making first AND second place...
I dunno how exactly that happened, I usually try to jump board when close to the flag at the finishing line, hammered F in the hope to actually get first - and got 125 Lolhnats for 1st and 2nd place. It did not exactly help that I apologized in Zone Chat.
Server lag, probably the same thing that people are exploiting in the race form what I've read.
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I won the race the other morning on a rental board. :cool: Before you ask, no, I was not the only competitor, it was a group of about 6-10. I was actually the second one across the finish line but the flag jumped as the #1 racer crossed and drifted by. I was just at the right place at the right time to nab the first flag.
Actually I already have the top board having done this event for several years.
(I'm not advocating the use of powers and abilities - all of which ought to be disabled - during the race, by the way, I'm just pointing out why some people might feel the need to do so.)
As for board speed, it does make a difference. So far, I've been in only one race where I was the only one with the short board. My character easily pulled ahead, and was able to jump off the board and walk to the first place flag with time left over.
The thing is, it was like that last year, with the superior boards. At least this year, with the higher rewards, you don't have to grind nearly as much to get the better board.
Seriously folks, this isn't even PvP in terms of stakes. You're starship captains in the middle of a war for survival who are taking time off to TRIBBLE around with powered surfboards on a vacation planet --there is no part of this that isn't already hilariously ridiculous and silly. The volume of favors you can pull in over the duration of the event is absolutely vast if that's your thing; you're not really "losing" anything.
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well at least we know which group of trolls is doing this now.... thx dude
Um you guys need to reread to OP
The OP is saying the guy with the Targ board is the one throwing up the shield even though he was already probably going to win.
And yes, it sounds like its being done to cheat.
So, wait, you say my statement is without merit then you say that it's a problem and should be fixed anyway? I haven't personally seen this issue myself, but I have no reason to disbelieve the OP, and my point was that IF/WHEN this becomes a popular method of cheating/trolling/exploiting (semantics) then the OP won't be able to change instance to avoid it. It doesn't help that you won't be aware of the issue until you're already mid-race. At present it seems to be confined to a small number of players but it will grow if it isn't addressed, just as the shortcut in the ice race become more and more prominent over time.
As for whether it's cheating or not, using an exploit to provide an unfair advantage (and you used the word exploit yourself in your definition of cheating) is cheating. The players placing cover shields are providing an unfair advantage, perhaps not to themselves but to other racers.
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Why any captain powers are allowed at all seems a bit odd. Why cover shield is allowed in particular can only be because some dev really likes trolling.
I dunno how exactly that happened, I usually try to jump board when close to the flag at the finishing line, hammered F in the hope to actually get first - and got 125 Lolhnats for 1st and 2nd place. It did not exactly help that I apologized in Zone Chat.
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Actually you can't.
There's some kind of exploit out there allowing people to do this somehow.
I had something happen with a 2nd and 3rd place deal, as I was at the flag and it took abit for the diaglogue to come up, I hit f and nothing happen, smashed F again and then it game be the 2nd place winnings, immediately the 3rd popped up near the same spot and it gave me those too.
And didn't they disable cover shields in social zones already because of people trolling by blocking doors or something?
They did, a while back actually. My main is an Engineer and I'm pretty sure he can't use Cover Shield while on Risa, seems likely someone found a way around it.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
This is precisely the issue, IMO. Bottom line is, it's a form of griefing. It's also an exploit, because, as some have already stated, combat abilities (including Cover Shield) are disabled on Risa. So the people doing this are exploiting some kind of weakness/glitch in the system in order to do something that is supposed to be prohibited by the system. That's pretty black and white.
And it's not about the Favors. The race is but one of many ways, and probably not the best, to obtain Favors. The race is, however, the only means to obtain the Monkey tags (or whatever they're called) to get the feathered monkeys. Monkeys which can be traded in for Marks, which are one of the key game currencies. So it's every bit as valid a 'PvP' issue as any exploit someone might pull in a PvP battle, which also provides some manner of end-game gear/currency to the winners.
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Server lag, probably the same thing that people are exploiting in the race form what I've read.