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Intel seating vs Command and Pilot
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Intel canon ship: Intrepid, gets Lt Intel (Breen ship got it as well)
Command canon ship: Galaxy, gets LTC command (Samsar got it as well)
Pilot canon ship (not confirmed yet, but probably a safe bet): Defiant, LTC Pilot (Nandi gets it as well)
The question is simply why Intel themed ships get only a Lt spec seat and why do Intel ships require a fleet purchase when pilot and command ships are fleet level out of the box (they cost the same).
Re-posted this for a better explanation of my original question.
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Its just as its always been.
The Pahfinder would need a retoactive update to get a LTC sci/intel in my opinion.
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No objections, but i doubt it will happen.
Some of the old c-store ships should get an intel, command or pilot update to stay relevant. Right now they're outdated to the point where the only reason to purchase them is roleplay.
Good examples are the MVAE and Kar'fi or Guramba
I would gladly welcome the pathfinder's uni seat to be bumped down to Ensign and the Intel seat be bumped up to LT CMD.
Honestly it troubles me a bit. I own at least one ship from all 3 specs and Intel remains my favorite despite the lesser seating. Seems fair that Intel should be on par with the rest.
^This
There wont be a "fleet" version of the command and pilot ships, they are already at their max level whereas intel ships were designed with a fleet upgrade in mind
I dont think you two guys are getting what I'm saying.
but thats exactly the problem. If equivalent ships like the Galaxy and Nandi have Lt Cmd, then those Intel should as well. Intel ships are getting the short end of the stick. I'm not comparing Intel ships to Intel ships. I'm comparing all the spec ships.
I'm also not saying the pure command and pilot ships should have fleet. I'm saying the pure Intel ships shouldn't have fleet version and should just get the boost straight out of the zen store.
Pathfinder and Breen carrier are not intel ships.
Galaxy is a T5U Cruiser which comes in a dreadnought variant, Andromeda is not a command ship.
Nandi is not a pilot ship.
For CMD specialized seating, it has to be a ship that has that specialization.
Intel, Command, and Pilot ships have that in their name, as for example the intels in the official DR pack list.
but do they not have intel, command and pilot seating? so why shouldn't they be same in terms of spec seating?
Again.... Pathfinder has LT seating, Andromeda has LT Cmd, Nandi has LT Cmd. One of these things is not like the other...
That's not the issue here. Basically it's this:
Intel canon ship: Intrepid, gets Lt Intel (Breen ship got it as well)
Command canon ship: Galaxy, gets LTC command (Samsar got it as well)
Pilot canon ship (not confirmed yet, but probably a safe bet): Defiant, LTC Pilot (Nandi gets it as well)
The question is simply why Intel themed ships get only a Lt spec seat and why do Intel ships require a fleet purchase when pilot and command ships are fleet level out of the box (they cost the same).
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Thank you. Maybe I'm not wording things right. My point doesn't seem to be coming across.
the Andromeda was part of the Iconic bundle? that also has a fleet version.
but yes, the one thing that matters most is the seating.
Given that Surgical Strikes has been scaled back down, it sounds like a good point to upgrade our intel-themed ships to allow it now, otherwise the two reductions combined equals a nerf.
Intrepid, Galaxy and Defiant always formed the "Trinity" of iconic ships - all of them had roughly the same treatment (Intrepid's T5U and fleet upgrades got mixed up, though) - the T6 versions, though, look vastly different and the Intrepid getting the short end here. Why is this the case? And also, why do Intel spec ships need a fleet purchase which is worth 500 zen? Intel ships end up costing 3500 zen to get them to the same level as command and pilot ships. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
The Pathfinder didn't belong in a bundle, that's true. And the dauntless came absolutely out of nowhere. Intrepid should get a retro update to CMDR Sci, LTC Sci/Intel, LTC Tac, Lt Eng, Ens Uni. This way it would be in-line with the other two. Also, KDF and RR need a LTC Intel ship as well, I'd suggest a K'Tinga for KDF and either a D7 variant (basically the same) or a T'Liss for Romulans.
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For me the fact that some ships only got a lt specialization seat compared to a ltc or com just means, that those ships aren't really part of that specialization tree and cryptic just added the seats as a courtesy (or to sweeten the deal).
I think it is a non-issue. There are various possible reasons for why it is how it is now. Changing the seating of a ship that has been sold for quite some time is not a very good idea - no matter how simple that change is, if it is not flat out beneficial (and even then!) people will complain about the change.
Only the ships with cloak and active sensor arrays are supposed to be intel ships. Every other ship only got intel powers because it was the only specialization available at the time. I am willing to bet if cryptic would release those very ships again - with the currently existing specializations available - those lt boffs would be very differently distributed over the specializations.
Could cryptic re-release some of them or maybe allow fleet versions with different specializations? Sure. I think it would be quite nice if someone could get a fleet guardian with command seating and a fleet guardian with intel seating for the respective fleet modules each.
I'd absolutely welcome that change.
Going by some of Cryptic's early statements, they did not intend to let non-Specialized ships get anything higher than an Lt Hybrid seat early into the Specialization system's life, but later changed that with the Sheshar, and later followed by the Samsar. Players then expected LtC Hybrid seating to remain as Promo/Event-exclusive.
The real surprise was when they decided to break from the Pathfinder's setup and instead go with the Andromeda's new layout, rather than stick to their old trinity layout (Defiant/Intrepid/Galaxy sharing the exact same Boff loadout themed to the ship's class). The rumblings at that time from Intel-capable ship users resulted in some tests done that showed that even without the LtC Hybrid, Intel-capable ships were still superior when it came to debuffing and damage.
Because it's already been said; bundle ships containing 3 variants of the same core ship are Fleet level by default out of the shop. It has been this way since the Odyssey, Scimitar, Bortasqu, Vestas, Andorian Escorts, and DSDs. The only difference now is that those old T5s need a T5U token if they want to closely match that of T6 Fleet level ships.
Since there are no Intel Specialist ships that has 3 variants of itself sold in a bundle, there are no Intel Specialist ships that are at Fleet level by default. However, the Fleet Intel ships are cheaper @ 2500 Zen total (5 FMs) if all one is wanting is the Fleet ship and none of the extras (5th Mastery Trait and console). And they're still the go-to ships for some seeking easy boosts to DPS spikes (assuming they're using a half-competent build) or wanting a "cheap" T6 (costs only Fleet Credits and FMs, where the former is gained by working with your fleet, and the latter gained either off Dil->Zen conversions or off the Exchange).
Cryptic just needs to release an Intel bundle of one ship type to give Intel players a Fleet level Intel ship out of the shop. I vote that the ship type be Science ships just because Intel debuffing can temporarily serve as a "Science-related Specialization", and it would finally silence, or at least temporarily pacify, the KDF and Romulans (who don't even have any T6 science ships, while still catering to the former's more aggressive style of play and the latter's canon sneaky ninja Scientist race), and others who just want more T6 science ships in general (myself included, though I want a Science-specific Specialization and a Tholian Tarantula to Promote it, but Sci players need the love in general; Intel would suit well in the interim).
I think this need to be looked at again once the Defiant makes its appearance with a (possible) LtC seat. If the defiant gets a Lt then I won't mind as much, otherwise it doesnt seem fair that the Pathfinder ends up being the only Lt.
... and the Dauntless, the Guardian, the benthan, the ....
those too XD He was talking about the Trinity thing. I was just going along with it.
I understand that, but seriously: Who's bloody fault is this? XD If Cryptic designs one superior specialization and two that suck that shoudln't come as a surprise. I mean they know damn well what their game meta is (they program the stuff) and they need testing to realize that specs without any direct damage boosting skills are inferior?
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