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lianthelia
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((First off before I start, let me say I know this wont affect anything...I know I wont affect any sudden changes))
But lately a lot when trying to ask for some more equality I hear one prime excuse why not...something like "This is a Star Trek game and Star Trek was always centered around the Federation."
While a statement like that is true, well let me be blunt. I've played multiple online capable Star Trek games...and in not a single one of them have I see people play overwhelmingly Fed...never not one.
But you know what the difference between those games and STO is? The developers put time into developing more than the Federation, they didn't leave them out in the cold from the very beginning like they did with the KDF here. They didn't take everything that was unique to other factions and hand them over to the Feds.
Is it a coincidence that games that started fully developed from the beginning wasn't majority playing one faction? I think not...
So if nothing else from this...please stop with the BS that this is a Star Trek game so it must be Fed dominant junk.
But lately a lot when trying to ask for some more equality I hear one prime excuse why not...something like "This is a Star Trek game and Star Trek was always centered around the Federation."
While a statement like that is true, well let me be blunt. I've played multiple online capable Star Trek games...and in not a single one of them have I see people play overwhelmingly Fed...never not one.
But you know what the difference between those games and STO is? The developers put time into developing more than the Federation, they didn't leave them out in the cold from the very beginning like they did with the KDF here. They didn't take everything that was unique to other factions and hand them over to the Feds.
Is it a coincidence that games that started fully developed from the beginning wasn't majority playing one faction? I think not...
So if nothing else from this...please stop with the BS that this is a Star Trek game so it must be Fed dominant junk.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
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In an ideal world STO would have Launched with two full Factions and been a true Trek experience. In this world STO has a specific budget and a required ROI their owners want to achieve for their investment. If something does not sell they are not going to make a lot of it. Each employee is 2,000 man-hour per year, and those man-hours are generally going to be used to get the best ROI they can for Cryptic and Perfect World.
Whatever excuses people use on the forum as to why something is not being done, it still comes down to basic numbers for the business. At this point in time Cryptic feels more emphasis on the Fed player-base makes them the most money. Sad, but it is what it is.
Between the Bortasqu' and the Ar'kif...I just can't believe it's all coincidence.
Cryptic is making small efforts. They are adding ships as they can, they are currently redesigning Klingon appearances, etc. I am actually surprised they are doing what they are doing. Sometimes small steps are all we get.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Doesn't surprise me at all reading a small description of the game...a game based on numbers.
It is quite a stinker, too.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
"Battling for limited resources" Was taken from a review I read...I'm honestly not surprised that one faction would be more popular.
I've played all 3 SFCs and both Armadas for example and I never saw majority Fed in either of them.
Please link the stats to these other games you have played that show the factional breakdowns. And no, I'm not asking for anecdotal evidence that you have "seen with your own eyes", I'm talking about actual statistics like this. Once we have that info, then we can decide if this entire thread is based on the truth or on a false premise.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I'm not sure .
What I mean is ... -- there have been instances where it seems like Cryptic put stuff players would want in the hands of "lesser factions" .
For example : Rom's got the crazy Crits , and before that, the KDF got all around cloaking, Boffs that did DMG, telepathic Boffs, free for all Plasmonic Leech (if u purchased 1 ship) , battle cloak, Contraband , Disruptors were better then Phasers, and there may be more stuff I can't remember right now .
All in all, besides the moaning and the feeling of neglect (next to the Feds) , those who played KDF for long know that the KDF rock !
Sure, there were some lame ships too . The Gorn Sci ship, the "potato" , and the Botrasqu .
In fact, if we go by ships, the above is actually a string of failures , not just one ship .
But the other side to that is ships like the Qib, or the Grumba or the K'Tinga, ships that can be seen as "embraced" by the players of the faction .
... then there are the true outliers ... akin to the D'Kyr, like the KDF / ROM versions of the Wells, which you have to take a screen cap of just to prove that SOMEONE is flying them ...
Care to tell me how I'm going to find that info? SFC 1 and 2 are more than 15 years old...I remember getting SFC2 for Christmas...of 99...or maybe it was of 2000...but yeah it's a old game...the Armadas as old or older.
I have my eyes...I was part of a large gaming group called the GFL which had a wing for each faction in SFC 1/2/OP/3...I was part of gaming leagues for SFC 2/OP. Fleets were created and chose to align to a faction but even then they didn't just play the faction of their chosen fleet...there weren't a 100 Fed fleets and a handful of other races. My first fleet was Klingon when I first started playing online...but my first win ever was with a Romulan ship (Where I grew to love Romulans).
trek lore asside just in game terms more players will opt to play feds then kdf or rom, its only natural that a company who wants to make money will go where the greatest number of customers are.
personally I have an equal number of characters from each faction and personally think that although feds have a greater choice all round kdf & rom still have a good enough selection when you take into account the number of players who actually play kdf & rom on a regular basis.
sure we could do with more stuff for klinks but im sure that fed and rom players would say the same.
I am pretty sure if each faction had the same amount of everything you would still find more players with feds then anything else.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
So, basically, your previous statement about no games has had the biggest factional discreptionacy as STO does is just a personal opinion. While, your gaming league (fan-created organizations like that is what carried Trek for years before the newer movies came out), had a couple dozen to at the most a couple of hundred in comparsion to thousands of players, who probably have at least three factional characters, but the majority want to play the Federation and dabble into the others. The Federation is what the majority of Trek fans (casual to hardcore) can relate to. If you look at World of othercraft, the Alliance is still the most heavily played.
I suspect that even if STO launched with a full two or three factions, the Feds will be the most heavily played. By the way, SFC1-3 and Armada 1-2 had campaigns where you had to play each faction in order to get the full story. So, basically, whether you were a fed, klingon, romulan, lyran, borg, or intestellar consortium, you played them all.
They would go fight without being embarrassed if he died. Every day was a good day to die. Their bridges looked like the cargo hold of a Fed ship...who cared, it was good to have an ugly looking ship and beating the slick saucerlike Fed ships. But most played both factions. One for the nostalgia of the USS Enterprise, and another for the qualities that the Klingon had of duty, honor, and courage. It was this concept that was created when they made the Series.
If Cryptic brings this back to the way it was, then they would increase their sales because more clients would play both factions and spend for all their characters in both factions equally as it was in the beginning. That was the reason for having a Fed player reach a certain level before getting the option of creating a KDF toon! Now there is no interest in playing KDF because the Fed ships now have the same equipment taken from lthe KDF. Not only that, it is cheaper to get original KDF consoles as a Fed than a Klingon. Take for example, the Plasmonic Leach. As a KDF player one has to buy the ship that has that console, however, to get the console in the rare Requisition Pack is way much cheaper. There are other items liike the repair platform that was unique to the only Science Ship of the KDF Armada, now it is available for all, plus additional types have been introduced making the KDF science ship useless. There are more examples of this.
Whoever is incharge of adopting this sales strategy should go back to school and reread Marketing strategy again. If he was working for my firm he would be incharge of picking up paper clips.
You didn't create a character for each faction...when they game launched and you chose which faction...I'm talking online...not the single player campaigns and since you want to talk about single player...Armada may have been the only one where you needed to play one faction before the other...but the SFCs weren't like that at all.
The biggest gaming league for SFC 1/2/OP was Starlance A.K.A. SL, like I said my first fleet was Klingon but my first win was in a Romulan ship...Fleets didn't even have to play their chosen faction nor did they. I never logged onto a Dynaverse server and found the Feds always domination every map...if every map was majority Fed like it was in STO...then every single Dynaverse map would be glowing blue. Never been on a map where it was blues vs everyone else...
World of ******** is a skewed comparison and if you know anything about it and you know it is...but it is what it is and any way you look at it...other than the Human racial being a bit more powerful for PvP only...one faction has no advantage over the other...unlike in STO...ever since the first expansion each faction got equality when they received the class each others faction only had access to.
People played Alliance because they were the *pretty* races...but a whole lot migrated to Horde when they made Blood Elves available...because they were the *prettiest* race in the game.
Numbers change from server to server...some are dominated by one faction some are dominated by another...RP is usually better one Alliance side and PvP is better for Horde in most cases...but either way like I said neither faction has huge imbalances like Fed vs KDF and RR.
Besides...if Alliance is so popular then why did the Horde win the RL create a bike contest which in turn was turned into a mount?...Which the Horde won and every active player got for free
Its to late now...we're to far down the rabbit hole to change now...I know I wasn't going to change anything with my post like I stated before...just from my experiences in other games not everyone was running around carrying the blue flag like it is in STO.
The best the RR and KDF can hope for these days is that we'll just keep seeing more of these ship packs...because flat out...its the only way we'll see anything.
They never put much effort into the KDF...and by the time they fleshed out the leveling process and you didn't need a Fed to even unlock the KDF the game was to far gone. The Klingons have given up to much by then and soon after would give up what little was left.
Nagus.. stop being lazy and go get your own ammunition to shoot at people...really dude. If you wanna counter someone arguments with facts then go find them yourself.
I had paragraphs following this I just decided to clear out. Let me see if I can keep it short, and simple.
KDF has gotten "The Shaft" in STO. Lots of fingers can be pointed. This can be said, and that, the other thing, and totally waste every ones time and energy on emotional not really fun garbage that has been gone over a thousand times or more in these forums.
Would you folks please take your real world hangup and and BS and please please leave them out side the game? KDF players are NOT SPACE ALIENS. They are people, ya know, humans, same specie as you, and STO players. They got feelings too. So stop being jerks to them. We are not the freak'n enemy!
The day the issues with STO's KDF content will end when the KDF either has the content, or STO no longer exists. I'd like to think Cryptic will one day declare once again 4 month season of the KDF with missions to replace and and all repurposed fed content, and hopefully the repurposed FE content below level 50. Add "normal" sci ships players can use so they can get some experience with them, and do a bunch of costume work. It got done once before. KDF players have delt with the empty bowl an awefull lot. It wont hurt the fed players of the game if the feds took a turn.