1. Mr. Shady Pants himself, Franklin Drake
2. Balan, i think his name is - the ferengi that runs Drozana station.
3. Hakeev
4. Slamek
5. B'vat (( no spoilers ... ))
6. 2 of 8
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Actually, in my own answer I was not counting people that the game already allows me to kill, or may allow soon. I was assuming this would be over and above that.
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Humor aside, I'm not very comfortable with the direction that post took even though we're talking about in-game NPC's.
Any more of that, and I'll have to kill the thread.
More on topic, I think if Cryptic has created bad guy NPC's that players loathe, they've done a good job. If they've created good guy NPC's that players loathe, well, maybe they need to chalk those up as object lessons not to do that again.
Tovan gets a bad rap because
A) He's more or less forced on the player He spends a lot of time acting as the player's conscience, which can get annoying.
Personally, don't have issues with Tovan. But I can see why some do.
1. Gaul. Would probably take all 6 bullets to do him in. But he's easily the baddest, scariest bad guy in the game before the Iconians show up.
2. B'vat. If he calls me a blind grishnar cat one more time...
3. Hakeev. Was the number two bad guy before Gaul. Not because he was all that tough to defeat once we had him cornered. But messing around with Borg tech, siding with the Iconians, the whole Hobus incident, and generally smug and arrogant... Yeah. He deserved the shot that finally killed him.
4. Sela. No, she's too fun to have around to die. Besides, she's going to make sure you've got a reason not to shoot.
5. Slamek. Yes, he's generally unlikeable. But he's also pretty much a victim. It'd be like putting down a mangy, pitiful stray. Very disagreeable.
6. Cooper (Undine). Not only evil, but highly annoying. Save a bullet for this guy, for sure.
EDIT: Left Drake off the list because I can never make up my mind whether to shoot him or not.
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Actually, in my own answer I was not counting people that the game already allows me to kill, or may allow soon. I was assuming this would be over and above that.
My reasoning as well. Besides, Slamek really gets on my nerves. "It's too bright in here." <BLAM BLAM> Is it too bright in your grave, ya jerk?
Bluegeek--I got extra satisfaction in killing the Cooperdine after we saw the episodes with the REAL Cooper. That Undine really dragged the guy's reputation through the mud!!!
The real one was actually pretty good at keeping his head in a bad situation, even though he had no clue about self-defense.
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Bluegeek--I got extra satisfaction in killing the Cooperdine after we saw the episodes with the REAL Cooper. That Undine really dragged the guy's reputation through the mud!!!
The real one was actually pretty good at keeping his head in a bad situation, even though he had no clue about self-defense.
Indeed. The real cooper was nowhere as annoying as the Undine one. I guess the Undine are not that good at really impersonating people... (The fake Vulcan ambassador didn't really make a good Vulcan, either.)
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1. Sela - shes done enough harm, time for her to go 2. Hakeev - I played Romulan, so I got that wonderful chance to do just that 3. QNel - dont make me fight your war, then conveniently not be able to tell me things for reasons 4. TNae - so spiteful and hateful (not very Vulcan...), yet so full of herself. Not interested in ever taking orders from her again 5. Khiana - one of the top people in the Tal'Shiar, and a big threat 6. Slamek - that whole turncoat thing angered me, especially when I really wanted to help the poor guy
Ooh...T'Nae is another good one. Racist hateful little bigot...
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Bluegeek--I got extra satisfaction in killing the Cooperdine after we saw the episodes with the REAL Cooper. That Undine really dragged the guy's reputation through the mud!!!
The real one was actually pretty good at keeping his head in a bad situation, even though he had no clue about self-defense.
Speaking of the real Cooper, do we know exactly when he got replaced? There are two possibilities: A Gathering Darkness or Fluid Dynamics.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Has to be Fluid Dynamics. Cooper's comments when he's trying to tell you that they have to get out just scream "I'M UNDINE" - 'they're so strong', 'we're so weak' and all that. Besides, the ship was blown to bits and his is the only escape pod you recover? Something's rotten there.
A Gathering Darkness doesn't have him saying anything that overt.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Ooh...T'Nae is another good one. Racist hateful little bigot...
Eh, I don't really think so. She's a Vulcan who has spent years dealing with the RSE, pre- and post-Hobus. She never says anything that suggests hatred, just distrust, which IMHO is completely warranted, given the nature of the RSE.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Let's try to stay on topic and stick to NPC's in STO.
If I let people start listing external sources in here, I fear it's going to go bad very, very quickly.
On topic, I may have to save some bullets for annoying Winter Event voiceovers. I had managed to block those out of my mind. Thanks.
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Speaking of the real Cooper, do we know exactly when he got replaced? There are two possibilities: A Gathering Darkness or Fluid Dynamics.
I'd say Fluid Dynamics. When you first meet him he willingly stays with you on a Borg infested planet and his attitude is relatively calm to determined to help. Next time you meet him... he's turned into a total wuss and STAYS that way until he's exposed as an Undine.
Eh, I don't really think so. She's a Vulcan who has spent years dealing with the RSE, pre- and post-Hobus. She never says anything that suggests hatred, just distrust, which IMHO is completely warranted, given the nature of the RSE.
She tells the player straight-up that she doesn't trust your kind, when you're a Romulan at the Khitomer Conference. Couple that with the offhand anti-Romulan remarks she says in the Fed storyline and... yeah. She's pretty spiteful, which isn't really becoming of a Vulcan.
I'd say Fluid Dynamics. When you first meet him he willingly stays with you on a Borg infested planet and his attitude is relatively calm to determined to help. Next time you meet him... he's turned into a total wuss and STAYS that way until he's exposed as an Undine.
But isn't there in Gathering Darkness a throwaway line where he says something about "weak" that sounds very Undine? It drew my attention, since it looked like his real (Undine) attitude showed for a moment.
But isn't there in Gathering Darkness a throwaway line where he says something about "weak" that sounds very Undine? It drew my attention, since it looked like his real (Undine) attitude showed for a moment.
Fluid Dynamics has him going from calm to very, very worried about how much 'weaker' everyone is than the Undine. Right after 'he' is picked up from an escape pod.
The implication has always been to me this was not the Undine's most flawless infiltration.
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I still feel that Undine Cooper didn't come in until Fluid Dynamics because of the total attitude shift to pretty much coward. Every time we saw him after that until he revealed himself he was a scardy cat. Complete contast to the more confident Cooper we met on that Borg planet.
She tells the player straight-up that she doesn't trust your kind, when you're a Romulan at the Khitomer Conference. Couple that with the offhand anti-Romulan remarks she says in the Fed storyline and... yeah. She's pretty spiteful, which isn't really becoming of a Vulcan.
Her remarks at the Khitomer conference are are the only ones of that sort she makes toward Republic Romulans. After that, she accepts the Republic (and sends Starfleet reinforcements to protect New Romulus from the Elachi) and only ever expresses distrust towards the Imperials after that. I don't see why people pick specifically on T'nae for being "racist," when pretty much no one else trusts the Romulans either.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Has to be Fluid Dynamics. Cooper's comments when he's trying to tell you that they have to get out just scream "I'M UNDINE" - 'they're so strong', 'we're so weak' and all that. Besides, the ship was blown to bits and his is the only escape pod you recover? Something's rotten there.
A Gathering Darkness doesn't have him saying anything that overt.
That's what I thought. In "A Gathering Darkness," even when he has clearly been freaked out by the turn of events by the end, he is NOT so over the top, and is generally productive despite a situation that I suspect could drive some sworn Starfleet officers to violate their oaths. And he doesn't know how to defend himself yet is still keeping himself together. He still strikes me as being himself at that point.
The comment about how "strong" the Undine were and how "weak" you are comes in "Fluid Dynamics."
And yeah, chipg7 sums up why I can't stand T'Nae and why I consider her behavior to be racist. In my headcanon Tovan Khev lost it at T'Nae, not unlike he did on Sela, and it was a sight to behold. My Reman had to correct him for mouthing off to another foreign official, of course, but it was solely for show. Privately, she 100% approved of his message, and for saying what she, in her position, could not. :evil grin:
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2. Balan, i think his name is - the ferengi that runs Drozana station.
3. Hakeev
4. Slamek
5. B'vat (( no spoilers ... ))
6. 2 of 8
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Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Actually, in my own answer I was not counting people that the game already allows me to kill, or may allow soon. I was assuming this would be over and above that.
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That was 7 shots, Tex.
Humor aside, I'm not very comfortable with the direction that post took even though we're talking about in-game NPC's.
Any more of that, and I'll have to kill the thread.
More on topic, I think if Cryptic has created bad guy NPC's that players loathe, they've done a good job. If they've created good guy NPC's that players loathe, well, maybe they need to chalk those up as object lessons not to do that again.
Tovan gets a bad rap because
A) He's more or less forced on the player
Personally, don't have issues with Tovan. But I can see why some do.
1. Gaul. Would probably take all 6 bullets to do him in. But he's easily the baddest, scariest bad guy in the game before the Iconians show up.
2. B'vat. If he calls me a blind grishnar cat one more time...
3. Hakeev. Was the number two bad guy before Gaul. Not because he was all that tough to defeat once we had him cornered. But messing around with Borg tech, siding with the Iconians, the whole Hobus incident, and generally smug and arrogant... Yeah. He deserved the shot that finally killed him.
4. Sela. No, she's too fun to have around to die. Besides, she's going to make sure you've got a reason not to shoot.
5. Slamek. Yes, he's generally unlikeable. But he's also pretty much a victim. It'd be like putting down a mangy, pitiful stray. Very disagreeable.
6. Cooper (Undine). Not only evil, but highly annoying. Save a bullet for this guy, for sure.
EDIT: Left Drake off the list because I can never make up my mind whether to shoot him or not.
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Next time he tries to pull a stunt like he did last time you'll court-martial himor you'll promote him. Either way, he'll be in trouble.
The real one was actually pretty good at keeping his head in a bad situation, even though he had no clue about self-defense.
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Indeed. The real cooper was nowhere as annoying as the Undine one. I guess the Undine are not that good at really impersonating people... (The fake Vulcan ambassador didn't really make a good Vulcan, either.)
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2. Hakeev - I played Romulan, so I got that wonderful chance to do just that
3. QNel - dont make me fight your war, then conveniently not be able to tell me things for reasons
4. TNae - so spiteful and hateful (not very Vulcan...), yet so full of herself. Not interested in ever taking orders from her again
5. Khiana - one of the top people in the Tal'Shiar, and a big threat
6. Slamek - that whole turncoat thing angered me, especially when I really wanted to help the poor guy
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Speaking of the real Cooper, do we know exactly when he got replaced? There are two possibilities: A Gathering Darkness or Fluid Dynamics.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
A Gathering Darkness doesn't have him saying anything that overt.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Eh, I don't really think so. She's a Vulcan who has spent years dealing with the RSE, pre- and post-Hobus. She never says anything that suggests hatred, just distrust, which IMHO is completely warranted, given the nature of the RSE.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
If I let people start listing external sources in here, I fear it's going to go bad very, very quickly.
On topic, I may have to save some bullets for annoying Winter Event voiceovers. I had managed to block those out of my mind. Thanks.
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I'd say Fluid Dynamics. When you first meet him he willingly stays with you on a Borg infested planet and his attitude is relatively calm to determined to help. Next time you meet him... he's turned into a total wuss and STAYS that way until he's exposed as an Undine.
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Well... unlike most people, I didn't find Epohh Lady as obnoxious as the brown nosing Ferengi and the original WW Chef.
Now we just need some voice overs for Pie Breen.
She tells the player straight-up that she doesn't trust your kind, when you're a Romulan at the Khitomer Conference. Couple that with the offhand anti-Romulan remarks she says in the Fed storyline and... yeah. She's pretty spiteful, which isn't really becoming of a Vulcan.
But isn't there in Gathering Darkness a throwaway line where he says something about "weak" that sounds very Undine? It drew my attention, since it looked like his real (Undine) attitude showed for a moment.
Fluid Dynamics has him going from calm to very, very worried about how much 'weaker' everyone is than the Undine. Right after 'he' is picked up from an escape pod.
The implication has always been to me this was not the Undine's most flawless infiltration.
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Her remarks at the Khitomer conference are are the only ones of that sort she makes toward Republic Romulans. After that, she accepts the Republic (and sends Starfleet reinforcements to protect New Romulus from the Elachi) and only ever expresses distrust towards the Imperials after that. I don't see why people pick specifically on T'nae for being "racist," when pretty much no one else trusts the Romulans either.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
That's what I thought. In "A Gathering Darkness," even when he has clearly been freaked out by the turn of events by the end, he is NOT so over the top, and is generally productive despite a situation that I suspect could drive some sworn Starfleet officers to violate their oaths. And he doesn't know how to defend himself yet is still keeping himself together. He still strikes me as being himself at that point.
The comment about how "strong" the Undine were and how "weak" you are comes in "Fluid Dynamics."
And yeah, chipg7 sums up why I can't stand T'Nae and why I consider her behavior to be racist. In my headcanon Tovan Khev lost it at T'Nae, not unlike he did on Sela, and it was a sight to behold. My Reman had to correct him for mouthing off to another foreign official, of course, but it was solely for show. Privately, she 100% approved of his message, and for saying what she, in her position, could not. :evil grin:
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