Advice on Lobi items?

willamsheridan · May 2015

I saved a few Lobi. Not enough for a ship console but i can buy

1. the Jem Hadar minigun, Voth Minigun AND the Tholian sword

or

2. the Undine Armor

or

3. the Hirogen armor

That said, i have some fleet Polyalloy and integr. Targeting Armor, the Rom. Imperial andthe sets from all Rep. Systems.
have seen more Players with the Voth Minigun recently, only a few with the Jem Hadar (very low DPS) and i know that the Tholian sword is better than the Nukara Sword.

Should i buy ine of these (1,2 or 3) or better save my lobi for later, maybe for an upvoming Herald box?. I know its all personal experience and playstyle but maybe you can give me some practical advice on the performance of those weapons and Armor

kitsunesnout · May 2015

Never buy the Tholian sword from Lobi store, it's better to get the one from the Tholian reputation which has a cooler extra ability.

aesica · May 2015

kitsunesnout wrote: »

Never buy the Tholian sword from Lobi store, it's better to get the one from the Tholian reputation which has a cooler extra ability.

This. In fact, I quickly threw this together to make a point in another thread:

http://i.imgur.com/71wDp2z.png

The tholian sword blows, and having bought it long ago was probably the biggest mistake I've made in this game.

Edit: Anyway, I wanted to buy something from the sale too, but so far, I have yet to find anything worthwhile. -Maybe- the undine wrist lance, but I'm still unsure about even that.

xlesha911 · May 2015

Undine Biotech Battle Armor + Fluidic Antiproton Wrist Lance...

and Ferengi Energy Whip for rp

lan451 · May 2015

Skip the Jem'Hadar gun. I bought it few years back with some promotional lobi they gave away. It's trash. It looks nice with the normal attack hitting 3 mobs and the special hitting 5, but the damage is just so, so low. Stuck it in my bank and went back to real guns. Which is too bad since it looks and sounds cool.

lowy1 · May 2015

The Voth Cannon is nice. It has a root as its UR mod. I use it on my main. Other than that the weapons on the vendor more or less suck, although I have heard the wrist lance is quite effective.

willamsheridan · May 2015

aesica wrote: »

This. In fact, I quickly threw this together to make a point in another thread:

http://i.imgur.com/71wDp2z.png

The tholian sword blows, and having bought it long ago was probably the biggest mistake I've made in this game.

Edit: Anyway, I wanted to buy something from the sale too, but so far, I have yet to find anything worthwhile. -Maybe- the undine wrist lance, but I'm still unsure about even that.

But as far as i know Buth Swords have the ability to Store energy and release it the Same Damage but the REputation Sword (which i already own) only has extra damage vs. tholians and the Lobi Store has a 10% extra chance to expose (or exploit. get confused with these things). So for basic, every day fight the Lobi should be better

Oh and btw i already have the Wrist Lance, the Vaadwaur weapons, the Relativity weapons, the Elachi Gun (disappointing) and the Whip.

So the undine Armor is the one to go with? Not the Hirogen?. Is it so much better than the Rep. systems Armors that it really makes a difference aside of Roleplaying as a Predator or so.

And if i can recommend ANY Item from the store then 100% the Wrist Lance. Upgrade it to XIII, use the Rom. Imperial Armor for the secondary and you can eliminate Groups of Borg with one shot (Boost it with Berserker and Vicious and its superpowerful)

darkjeff · May 2015

The Undine armor (it's the one with the Toxic resistance, right?) is considered better than Rep gear for at least Bug Hunt.

woodwhity · May 2015

All you listed are things with cheaper and better equivalent in fleet or repstores. Honestly, I consider all the things you mentioned not worth their price and a waste of lobi.

Better save it up for one or two consoles.

fiberteksyfir · May 2015

The only gear worth noting is the tachyokinetic console, bioneural infusion circuits console, the wrist lance, and the biotech undine armor.. Maybe rule 62 if you run flow caps on a sci, otherwise the rep system offers many better alternatives. With the restrictive sale, the full price items worth nothing are some of the boffs, the liberated borg is good, and i like my talaxian intel as well. The maco tac guy.. He looks cool i guess i have em but i wouldnt say its worth it full price.

willamsheridan · May 2015

woodwhity wrote: »

All you listed are things with cheaper and better equivalent in fleet or repstores. Honestly, I consider all the things you mentioned not worth their price and a waste of lobi.

Better save it up for one or two consoles.

Since i already use Rep. systems consoles there too i don't know which one i could replace. I usually am a fan of ground weapons to complete looks .

BTW. I use the Fluidit Antigenes and a Biomol. Kit so two items with Tox. Resistance and i think i benefit more from the Rom.Impreial armor than from the undine.

farseeridranel · May 2015

fiberteksyfir wrote: »

The only gear worth noting is the tachyokinetic console, bioneural infusion circuits console, the wrist lance, and the biotech undine armor.. Maybe rule 62 if you run flow caps on a sci, otherwise the rep system offers many better alternatives. With the restrictive sale, the full price items worth nothing are some of the boffs, the liberated borg is good, and i like my talaxian intel as well. The maco tac guy.. He looks cool i guess i have em but i wouldnt say its worth it full price.

You can buy the boffs for EC from the exchange. Worth noting here is also the xindi-boff that comes with a nice costume (and can also be bought from exchange).

Otherwise I agree with your recommendation. The torpedo from the silent enemy set is nice, too, for the 2-set bonus and the high CrtD + the disable. But since I am no expert on torpedoes, I do not know how it compares to other torpedoes. I just like it personally.

kozar2 · May 2015

With the amount you have you should be buying one of the 2 amazing ship consoles. Bioneural Infusion Circuits or Tacheykentic Converter.

They are both very cheap to upgrade and upgrade huge. Plus have great stats.

Unless you do Elite Bug Hunt a lot then the Undine armor.

baudl · May 2015

I'm probably going to buy the heavy crescent cannon and the bioneural infusion circuit console for the 2 piece set bonus on one of my disruptor using characters.

the cannon seems to be oddly good, since it has 180 degree arc but dual heavy cannon dmg numbers.

darkjeff · May 2015

IIRC, the cannon sucks. I have it, it didn't parse better than normal Elachi DHCs (I love those crescents) and I ended up just buying another Elachi DHC and tossing the Lobi cannon in my bank.

The BIC console by itself is still the best out of all Lobi, Rep, and Mission Reward consoles.

baudl · May 2015

darkjeff wrote: »

IIRC, the cannon sucks. I have it, it didn't parse better than normal Elachi DHCs (I love those crescents) and I ended up just buying another Elachi DHC and tossing the Lobi cannon in my bank.

The BIC console by itself is still the best out of all Lobi, Rep, and Mission Reward consoles.

but if they parse like a DHC that is actually a good thing (would accept even slightly weaker dmg output)...I'm more after the 2 piece bonus, and if the cannon is not a liability in that regard it is just perfect.

darkjeff · May 2015

I didn't phrase that very well - it's like a Cannon, not a DC or DHC.

Average total DPS was appreciably higher with another DHC instead.

But hey, it's your Lobi, and it does have a wider arc.

mhall85 · May 2015

Just a question for everyone...

Do you guys realize that most (if not all) of the ground gear is now VR (instead of blue Rare) out of the box? And, once you hit 50, it can auto-upgrade to Mk XII VR?

I just remember everyone pissing all over the Relativity weapons, because they were weak sauce... but, I got the pistol and rifle across two toons... they're purple quality, and they're better than I thought!

feiqa · May 2015

mhall85 wrote: »

Just a question for everyone...

Do you guys realize that most (if not all) of the ground gear is now VR (instead of blue Rare) out of the box? And, once you hit 50, it can auto-upgrade to Mk XII VR?

I just remember everyone pissing all over the Relativity weapons, because they were weak sauce... but, I got the pistol and rifle across two toons... they're purple quality, and they're better than I thought!

Personaly I dislike the relativity pistol because its stun leaves the target invulnerable to damage. And that is the guy the npcs will invariably shoot at.

My recommendation is not for a level 50 but for a brand new alt. The weapons are leveless till 50 then get the free upgrade to VR XII. So you will have awesome good fire power with no need to upgrade for a while. The Voth cannon is good for mowing down groups and is effective on your Boffs. Two Boffs with those and the captain with the wrist cannon is a heavy ordinance team. With Spin the Wheel giving you a great secondary weapon for use against the borg. (Yes I know it is only blue but it can be upgraded at 50)

lordsteve1 · May 2015

I've got the Vaadwaur split beam rifle thing (forgot the name) and it's surprisingly good. Upgraded it to Mk XIV UR and it is lethal in most ground STFs, particularly good fun for Brotherhood of the Sword.

And the Undine bio-armour is excellent for Bug Hunt due to the tox resist it has.

Apart from the consoles and some nice outfits most other non-ship stuff is a bit pants.

warmaker001b · May 2015

Rule 34 Console would rock hard.

mhall85 · May 2015

feiqa wrote: »

Personaly I dislike the relativity pistol because its stun leaves the target invulnerable to damage. And that is the guy the npcs will invariably shoot at.

Yeah, that is annoying/pointless... however, it's a canonical phaser pistol, and I themed a toon around time travel (pre-Recruit)... it'll be a good secondary weapon.

I'm thinking about getting the Elachi pistol as a secondary weapon for my Reman DeltaAlt. May pick up the Voth gun for Nelen Exil, too.

aesica · May 2015

willamsheridan wrote: »

But as far as i know Buth Swords have the ability to Store energy and release it the Same Damage but the REputation Sword (which i already own) only has extra damage vs. tholians and the Lobi Store has a 10% extra chance to expose (or exploit. get confused with these things). So for basic, every day fight the Lobi should be better

Unless it's some hidden value, I don't see any such expose bonus on the lobi version, and I own both items.

Edit:

warmaker001b wrote: »

Rule 34 Console would rock hard.

YES! This is what I see every time I see that console.

feiqa · May 2015

mhall85 wrote: »

Yeah, that is annoying/pointless... however, it's a canonical phaser pistol, and I themed a toon around time travel (pre-Recruit)... it'll be a good secondary weapon.

I'm thinking about getting the Elachi pistol as a secondary weapon for my Reman DeltaAlt. May pick up the Voth gun for Nelen Exil, too.

I know. I have a Wells crew in proper uniforms and all with relativity rifles and my captain has a rifle and the pistol. Also love how the Aeon and the Wells can swap skin patterns if you have both.

willamsheridan · May 2015

aesica wrote: »

Unless it's some hidden value, I don't see any such expose bonus on the lobi version, and I own both items.

Edit:

YES! This is what I see every time I see that console.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Tholian_Crystalline_Sword .10% Chacne to Expose

Not sure how up-to-date it is though but according to STO wiki the Rep. Sword does not have those 10%

So if both are basically the same except for this the Lobi would be better. No idea if +10% Expose are worth 30 Lobi. On ground i usually use my Nanopulse Batleth or Lirpa or a UR CritDx3 Lirpa.

And Considering that i have a Voth Sniper, Full Auto, Split beam and High Dens. Beam Rifle all with CritDxe i think all of those will be better than the Voth Minigun right?

So either the Undine which would be best for Bug hunt (which is not really that Hard) or save my Lobi for a Herald or Iconian Lockbox with Herald weapons.

So the Undine Armor negates Damage all 20 sec? what does that mean exactly?

aesica · May 2015

willamsheridan wrote: »

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Tholian_Crystalline_Sword .10% Chacne to Expose

Not sure how up-to-date it is though but according to STO wiki the Rep. Sword does not have those 10%

So if both are basically the same except for this the Lobi would be better. No idea if +10% Expose are worth 30 Lobi. On ground i usually use my Nanopulse Batleth or Lirpa or a UR CritDx3 Lirpa.

That's definitely outdated, based on the rarity being shown. When Delta Rising happened, most (all?) of the lobi ground items were promoted from blue quality to purple quality, probably to make them suck a tiny bit less. It's possible that other changes were made to them as well, but if you refer back to the screenshot I posted (I own both items so that was straight from my game client) you'll see the expose is no longer listed. Skimming the in-depth right-click info, I see nothing about a +10% expose chance there, either.

If it existed before, it's not there now or it's unlisted.

willamsheridan · May 2015

aesica wrote: »

That's definitely outdated, based on the rarity being shown. When Delta Rising happened, most (all?) of the lobi ground items were promoted from blue quality to purple quality, probably to make them suck a tiny bit less. It's possible that other changes were made to them as well, but if you refer back to the screenshot I posted (I own both items so that was straight from my game client) you'll see the expose is no longer listed. Skimming the in-depth right-click info, I see nothing about a +10% expose chance there, either.

If it existed before, it's not there now or it's unlisted.

That just saved me 30 Lobi. Together with the decision not to buy the Miniguns a total of 90 Lobi saved. Don't know why so many players run around with the Jem Hadar Minigun now.

dracounguis · May 2015

Assuming Cryptic hasn't screwed this up...

Put all your lobi on one toon
Transfer toon to Tribble
Put lobi in Account bank on Tribble and delete transferred toon.
Repeat till you have enough lobi to buy whatever you want to try out before you buy on Holodeck.

I transferred my main toon about 20 times. Enough to buy every console, gun and ship in the lobi store!

That said, I would say the Ferengi whip is the best choice. It's a fun one and packs a decent punch. The Undine hand cannon seemed strong when I tried it on Tribble, but never bought it on Holodeck. I thought consensus was that the Jemmy minigun was a piece of TRIBBLE; but maybe I remember wrong.

saurializard · May 2015

mhall85 wrote: »

I'm thinking about getting the Elachi pistol as a secondary weapon for my Reman DeltaAlt. May pick up the Voth gun for Nelen Exil, too.

I have the Elachi hand cannon and it's quite cool and powerful... but only if you have an ability to root, slow down enemies or have them grouped, because the secondary firing mode is lethal but has two big downsides:

-once you press the button, you can't turn and the charge takes a while so your target may move away way before you shoot

-it needs you to have an enemy directly targeted. If you try to play smart and aim between a group of enemies, even if the cone of the AOE has them, not only will you not fire (despite your character going into firing animation) but you'll have the long cooldown anyway. It's not a problem if you don't use the FPS controls, but if you do, you're gonna miss some times because of that.

redvenge · May 2015

aesica wrote: »

That's definitely outdated, based on the rarity being shown. When Delta Rising happened, most (all?) of the lobi ground items were promoted from blue quality to purple quality, probably to make them suck a tiny bit less. It's possible that other changes were made to them as well, but if you refer back to the screenshot I posted (I own both items so that was straight from my game client) you'll see the expose is no longer listed. Skimming the in-depth right-click info, I see nothing about a +10% expose chance there, either.

If it existed before, it's not there now or it's unlisted.

I thought it was referring to the normal 2nd attack. All melee weapons have a combination of Expose/Exploit attacks. The base Expose chance is 10%. I don't think it ever had a higher base Expose chance than the Shattering Harmonics sword.

aesica · May 2015

redvenge wrote: »

I thought it was referring to the normal 2nd attack. All melee weapons have a combination of Expose/Exploit attacks. The base Expose chance is 10%. I don't think it ever had a higher base Expose chance than the Shattering Harmonics sword.

Yeah, that occurred to me sometime after that post. The 10% chance is innate for all melee weapons.

Edit: If anyone has it, how's the Vaadwaur Polaron Assault Debilitator? From just reading the description, its secondary firing mode seems like an incredibly good option for chewing through the shields of strong targets.

Also, +1 for the wrist lance. I got it yesterday and leveled it to Mk XIV. The primary firing mode is mediocre, but its secondary is so powerful it should be a kit power rather than a weapon effect. 30 lobi well spent.

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