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Samsar and Dyson Destroyer consoles From the c-store?

willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
I know that those ships were available only during the events or for high cost from the Lobi store.

Thats why i am not talking about the ships but only about the consoles.

The Consoles are part of 4-piece Sets, so anyone who had the luck, the chance to participate in the Event could get that set but anyone else will probably never get a chance to get the full set. I am thinking about the Delta Recruits, especially the new Players who just missed the Anniversary Event. They still can get the Command cruisers but not the Full set.

If they were single consoles, without being part of a Set i wouldn´t care but now you can buy the ship Bundle for around 5000 Zen but still have only 3/4 of the set?

So i think those Consoles should be available from the c-store (not lobi store, its not some salvaged Alien Tech the Ferengi stole) for maybe 300-1000 Zen, so everyone can get the full sets. Even someone who would never buy a ship for 600- 800 Lobi could consider to buy that console to get the full set. So Cryptic makes money because instead of 10 People who would never invest 600-800 Lobi they have maybe 3-4 of those 10 who buy the console. And there are probably some Players who would only buy the Command Cruiser Bundle if they could get the full set which would be possible then


And, btw, i think that would be a good idea for the other consoles in the Lobi store too, instead of 200 Lobi (something that many Players wouldn't pay because they don´t have that manyLobi or don´t buy Keys and open Lockboxes) i think they would sell much better if they would cost around 500-1000Zen. I know i would buy them.
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  • makocallowaymakocalloway Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I agree with this. At the time i wasn't interested in the command ships for my alts, so i only ran the event on my main. Now i want the rom command bundle, but don't have the samsar console. I don't want to shell out 600 lobi for the ship, but i would buy a cheeper cstore console.
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  • snipey47asnipey47a Member Posts: 485 Media Corps
    edited April 2015
    A sensational idea! I do think there would be a very fine line from a reasonable price to pay to being accused of gouging here for Cryptic. I would think it would be what a Fed would pay to get the Oberth console (which come with a ship wrapped around it) and thats 500 zen and no more than 750.

    Another thought I had was price it based on investment in the Command ship pack itself. If a pack was purchased, the player can get the console for between 300-500 zen and those who only bought one variant can get it for 750. But in all honesty, in a perfect world if you buy the complete Command Ship pack you should be getting ALL of its components not 95% of them.

    Either way, this is a current negative to the Delta Recruits campaign as these alts can't have a complete 4 piece console set as it stands right now.

    Good post mate.

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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Yeah they really need to add some way for new players/characters to get the Samsar console. I have the command cruiser pack, but I can never get the full console set on any newer characters I make.
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  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    This would be good for the limited warp cores/singularity cores that only come with the event ships.
  • stonermkiistonermkii Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    They definitely need to figure something out with the event ships they've thrown in the Lobi Store. I will never spend 600 Lobi on a ship that was given free a year ago. Never. Now if they were to offer whatever console or ship item in the Zen Store for 5 bucks, sure id drop money on that to complete the set...but no way in heck am i going to spend money to aquire 600 Lobi and then turn around and buy a ship that was free for everyone else who participated. Players who were not here for that event shouldnt be punished for that.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,913 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Yes to this idea!

    It kind of sucks that the free ships were all given away before the Delta Recruitment Event. My new Fed could really use that Samsar Console, but now I have no way of getting him one.

    I would purchase one from the C-Store in a heartbeat. I wouldn't buy keys to get Lobi for it, but I would absolutely buy it as a straight Zen Purchase.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,730 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    stonermkii wrote: »
    They definitely need to figure something out with the event ships they've thrown in the Lobi Store. I will never spend 600 Lobi on a ship that was given free a year ago. Never. Now if they were to offer whatever console or ship item in the Zen Store for 5 bucks, sure id drop money on that to complete the set...but no way in heck am i going to spend money to aquire 600 Lobi and then turn around and buy a ship that was free for everyone else who participated. Players who were not here for that event shouldnt be punished for that.

    All it takes is a handful of people to go the Lobi route to make up for dozens who would go the 500 zen route...in the end it's more profitable and easier just to toss it on the Lobi store...besides when is the last time you've seen them sell individual equipment items on the C-store other than Tribbles?
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    /vote +1

    I completely agree. I really like the Command Ships. I bought the whole big'ol bundle (9 ships). I ran the grind on 16 characters during the anniversary, so they could have access to the four-piece set. Great. I never had intent to make any more characters.

    But now Delta Recruitment has come along, and my new DRs won't have the Samsar console, and no way to get it.

    I don't have a problem with Cryptic tying a multi-piece set across multiple sources. I do have a problem with one or more of those sources being limited-timed items with no alternate path to acquire them outside their timegate.

    Cryptic, please offer these special set pieces from alternate sources (lobi, c-store, etc.). Thanks.

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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Thumbs up here. Lost Forever stuff sucks.
  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I agree. Easier access to the consoles would be good.
  • makocallowaymakocalloway Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Come on cryptic, work with us here. I'll commit to a command bundle of you help us out.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Jumping in to support the proposal.

    Having a grind ship console be a part of a Zen ship console set was dumb enough in the first place, the fact that the set for ships that cost 3k/6k/12k Zen can't be completed because the ship that has the 4-th console is unavailible is just obscene.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    We found a new way for Cryptic to push the Dyson and Command Cruiser bundles, as well as future Anniversary-related ship bundles.

    Command Bundle exclusive - Includes 4th Special Console and Warp Core (and Singularity Core for Romulans) free.

    Dyson Bundle exclusive - Includes Solanae Secondary Deflector and Warp Core (and Singularity Core for Romulans) free.

    Those that do not own the bundle have to fork over 2000 Zen for the Dyson Mini-Bundle or Command Mini-Bundle, which only contain the Warp/Singularity Core and Console (Command) or 2ndary Deflector (Dyson).

    Existing ship bundle owners are grandfathered in; just have to reclaim the ship bundle pack.

    I would fully support this.
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I'd love to see Zephram Cochrane's shotgun added to the lobi store.

    If they add the consoles to the Zen store they should be per character purchases, like Borg/Ferasan/Catian Boffs, ect...
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  • jer5488jer5488 Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I agree. I'd love to get an easy way to access the Solanae warp core without having to buy the ship on every new alt. It's my favorite space set - and there's no real way to acquire it for alts. Maybe 'If you've collected this item on a character, you can unlock it for your account for 500 zen'
  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Guys, i have to say, i am happy that i am not alone in this. I still think about buying the Dyson pack but not if i can´t get the full set, another point is the Obelisk cruiser that (afaik) isn´t upgradeable and doesn´t come with a console. Thats just sad.

    In my opinion cryptic could make sooo (yes 3 "o") much more money if they put the ships in the c-store for the regular price instead of puttin them in the hands of some Ferengi. If i look for somethin in the Lobi store i search for weapons because they don´t cost me as much (4 weapons or 1 console).

    I just can talk about me here but this is a List of ships i would have bought from the c-store if they were there for the regular 2000-2500 Zen: Galor, the Jem hadar Bug and Strike Ship, Jem Hadar Escort and Jem Hadar Dreanought Carrier, the Xindi ships, the 3 Elachi ships, theTholian ships, the Three Voth ships, the Hazari Destroyer. I think iwould have bought 90% of all ships that are now in the Lobi store (of course with the T6 ships i wouldn´t buy the T5s anymore but wait until there are similar or equal T6 Versions).

    And it would be great (but a bit too much to ask all at once, i know) if Lobi unlocks are account wide (Weapons and Uniforms, no matter if bought from the Lobi store or via exchange). I know players who have dozens of Toons and to pay 150 Lobi per uniform for each character seems a bit much (even if you just have 4-5 Toons)
  • olliereportolliereport Member Posts: 721
    edited April 2015
    Thumbs up here. Lost Forever stuff sucks.

    that is a good sentiment

    I would rather see the ship in the cstore and not in the lobi store

    lobi is just too much
  • chandlerasharichandlerashari Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    if its not availabke in the c store by now it must be because the lobi price is paid enough by enough people to keep it profitable...

    Its a nice idea... a bit to nice perhaps

    This coming from a guy that didnt buy a command bundle cause of det 4th console problem haba

    So i wish it was c store as well
  • thegcbaconthegcbacon Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Guys, i have to say, i am happy that i am not alone in this. I still think about buying the Dyson pack but not if i can´t get the full set,

    You'd be wasting money & you said yourself you won't buy T5 ships now that T6 are out.
    another point is the Obelisk cruiser that (afaik) isn´t upgradeable and doesn´t come with a console. Thats just sad.

    Advanced Obelisk has the console
    In my opinion cryptic could make sooo (yes 3 "o") much more money if they put the ships in the c-store for the regular price instead of puttin them in the hands of some Ferengi. If i look for somethin in the Lobi store i search for weapons because they don´t cost me as much (4 weapons or 1 console).

    I just can talk about me here but this is a List of ships i would have bought from the c-store if they were there for the regular 2000-2500 Zen: Galor, the Jem hadar Bug and Strike Ship, Jem Hadar Escort and Jem Hadar Dreanought Carrier, the Xindi ships, the 3 Elachi ships, theTholian ships, the Three Voth ships, the Hazari Destroyer. I think iwould have bought 90% of all ships that are now in the Lobi store (of course with the T6 ships i wouldn´t buy the T5s anymore but wait until there are similar or equal T6 Versions).

    These ships are considered premium & exclusive, putting them in the Cstore would ruin keys sales & current owners exclusivity, leading to a revenue loss.
    And it would be great (but a bit too much to ask all at once, i know) if Lobi unlocks are account wide (Weapons and Uniforms, no matter if bought from the Lobi store or via exchange). I know players who have dozens of Toons and to pay 150 Lobi per uniform for each character seems a bit much (even if you just have 4-5 Toons)

    Some Lobi items would be nice as account unlocks. This might actually increase key sales but Cryptic may discotitnue the Lobi event then. I'd settle for more Lobi items being BoE versus BoP.
  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thegcbacon wrote: »
    You'd be wasting money & you said yourself you won't buy T5 ships now that T6 are out.

    I´d buy the Dyson ships just for the looks if the price was reasonable. Of course i won´t buy all those old T5s now, that should be obvious, but there are still new T6 Lobi ships that i would buy and i would HAVE bought the old ones if they had put them in the c-store right away. And there are still ships i´d buy for the looks. The Galor for example or the Voth ships. i have no problem with "wating money" if i get something i like for a good Price. 800 Lobi isn´t reasonable and not good

    but soon no one will buy the old T5s anymore because then they will be outdated. Not yet but soon.

    Also i´d buy a lot of consoles and the remaining weapons, uniforms... if they were c-store items


    Advanced Obelisk has the console


    Advanced is a Lobi ship. the Classic Obelisk we got in the game doesn´t have the console, and as far as i know, is not upgradeable. So at first the gave us the console during the mission and after that took it away to put it in an overpriced Lobi ship

    These ships are considered premium & exclusive, putting them in the Cstore would ruin keys sales & current owners exclusivity, leading to a revenue loss.


    Really? Do you think that? Maybe the part about the exclusivity is right because anyone who has enough money can already get the ships from the exchange. Most players not. But i think a benefit for the majority of the players is better than an exclusive feeling for afew Players while they are flying around in those ships.

    And i also believe that they would make far more profit by putting them in the c-store because its available for everyone and many Players who never thought about spending so many Lobi will probably think about spending some Zen for those ships So they would make less money PER ship but sell more ships and its very likely that they will,get more money



    But even if we are not talking about the normal Lobi ships here anymore:
    The Event and featured Mission Ships should be in the C-store not in the Lobi store. The cheap Obelisk is c-store, the Good one Lobi? why?
    And why prevent all Players who, for whatever reasons, couldn´t participate in the Events, get their hands on the Ships or Sets if they are willing to pay (just not the high Lobi Prices)?

    Any Delta recruit, any Player with several chars has to pay 800 Lobi per Char (if we get the Samsar in the Lobi store)or will never get the chance to get a full Dyson or Command set.




    Some Lobi items would be nice as account unlocks. This might actually increase key sales but Cryptic may discotitnue the Lobi event then. I'd settle for more Lobi items being BoE versus BoP.


    So? Seriously(no, not really:cool: :D ), who cares about the Lobi event? Let them discontinue the event. Let them put the Items and Weapons in the c-store, as tradeable, and they will still make money (i think the would make more than now) and the former Lobi buyers could still get the ships from the c-store and use their remaining Zen or EC to buy other things or support their fleet or more. Under no serious circumstances does "loosing the Lobi store" mean we will also loose the ships and weapons too unless Cryptic really wants to.
    Honestly, most of the Lobi items are not worth the price they cost. They would be if they were accountwide. C-store items are accountwide so why not Lobi
  • redwren89redwren89 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I will only buy the command cruiser bundle if I see that the Samsar is available again. Otherwise, no money from me.
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