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    coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The game devs can't fix the lag... its the network engineers who have to deal with that. So the game devs can keep making things for the game and have no direct access to the code or systems that might fix the lag. That's PWE's problem at this point.

    As to why it hasn't been resolved, who knows. Maybe they are underestimating how many instances they need.
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    artaniscreedartaniscreed Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    HHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    seriously.... came all over after that.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I just got an update I added something to the Q/A section

    Q: Are there any restrictions to using Pilot Maneuvers?

    A: Yes. These Tactical Maneuvers are disabled while your engines are offline, you are cloaked, or you are under the effects of skills such as Eject Warp Plasma, Gravity Well, and Tractor Beam

    Curious...so not the potential escape maneuver they would have appeared to be...hrmm.
    Go on.... do tell... what are you thinking they'd do with this? Make it viable vs shields?

    Still waiting on the server performance trait.

    Was thinking about the spin...and...how even if folks turn off Camera Shake, the devs are intent on making folks Shake Da Booty...puke or not.
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    krendigkrendig Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Looking at these ships, one thought occurs to me...

    T6 versions of the Andorian Escorts, as "Pilot" ships?

    .... nah. Would never work. :)
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    hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I just got an update I added something to the Q/A section

    Q: Are there any restrictions to using Pilot Maneuvers?

    A: Yes. These Tactical Maneuvers are disabled while your engines are offline, you are cloaked, or you are under the effects of skills such as Eject Warp Plasma, Gravity Well, and Tractor Beam

    What about Reversed-Tractor Beam Repulsors?

    Also that's great to hear.

    The Romulans definitely look like Reman designs this time around, with the Jaeih looking like they partially disassembled then rebuilt the captured Elachi S'Golth. I don't mind that at all.

    And the ships' capabilities is just screaming for EWP spamming (or it's Pilot equivalent), with the Sci one asking to GW then dive in with EWP/Metreon Canister/Theta Radiation/Eject Cryoplasma active.

    Also, Kinetic projectiles? Damn; I wish the Ferengi Missile Launcher was buffed, and the Tal Shiar Shrapnel Missile console available to use on these ships. I want my Macross Missile Massacre.
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    swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    coffeemike wrote: »
    The game devs can't fix the lag... its the network engineers who have to deal with that. So the game devs can keep making things for the game and have no direct access to the code or systems that might fix the lag. That's PWE's problem at this point.

    As to why it hasn't been resolved, who knows. Maybe they are underestimating how many instances they need.

    Well, no. One of the issues causing lag is that some powers are extremely expensive for the servers. They're working on how to fix the problem, but since it's probably a design problem rather than a straight up bug, it's not a simple fix.
    They could fix it by sticking everyone in T1 ships until a real fix is found, but that'd probably just make the Miranda nuts happy.
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    avengerkid1993avengerkid1993 Member Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    What about customization ? Do we have to buy the whole set to get customization parts ?
    There will be a fleet version of those ships ?
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    somebobsomebob Member Posts: 556 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    mrspidey2 wrote: »
    So...when?

    Please say tommorow...

    I'd be shocked if these were not released tomorrow after the patch.
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    gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm not a fan of every ship, especially the romulan ones, but wow there's a lot a variety in the look of these things. Thank you to the art team for all those customization options!

    Phil, the powers look fun, thanks to you too. I'll be naming my very first mercury the U.S.S Synapse in your honor ^.^ (and because its fitting for a speedy thing like that)
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    focslainfocslain Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    What about Reversed-Tractor Beam Repulsors?
    Also, Kinetic projectiles? Damn; I wish the Ferengi Missile Launcher was buffed, and the Tal Shiar Shrapnel Missile console available to use on these ships. I want my Macross Missile Massacre.

    Just upgrade the ferengi missiles, at least they can get close to in line. And double on the shrapnel missles. However as a quick sub, try using the ferengi missiles, the missile console from this set and the torpedeo defense turret.

    Think that with torp spread will be enough missile for you, at least on the fed side. The KDF ships look like fighters. And I'm waiting for someone to find the right combination on the Fed side to make the ship from Gradius.
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    internetonsetaddinternetonsetadd Member Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    tankfox23 wrote: »
    If the lag isn't fixed the ships are useless. No point in sinking more money in a game that's unplayable. Adding additional abilities and more ships is not helping the lag, it's just adding more variables to sift through as Cryptic tries to fix it or at its worst adding to it.

    Pretty much. The main thing I'd want to do with a new ship is take it into an ISA to parse and get a sense for how it handles. I haven't been able to run even a halfway smooth ISA for months now. If I'm only running GGA every few days to work on Iconian rep, what exactly do I need a new ship for?
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    trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Not to be a prick or anything but I did happen to notice that starfleet seems to be the one making and providing us with the information even on our KDF and Romulan Republic ships too lol. So I take it also though we will have to go to ESD on our KDF characters to get the ship :)
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    gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    swamarian wrote: »
    Well, no. One of the issues causing lag is that some powers are extremely expensive for the servers. They're working on how to fix the problem, but since it's probably a design problem rather than a straight up bug, it's not a simple fix.
    They could fix it by sticking everyone in T1 ships until a real fix is found, but that'd probably just make the Miranda nuts happy.

    Don't forget the oberth and Connie fan clubs. And I love my t'liss. ^.^
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    hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    What about customization ? Do we have to buy the whole set to get customization parts ?
    I think that's obvious. :rolleyes:

    Just like it has been even prior to Delta Rising (skins tied to C-Store ships, and 3-pack ships needing ownership of all 3 to fully customize; in the case of the Scimitar, DSDs, Vesta, and Andorian Escorts).
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,318 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I've been saving my Dil, and I'm just 50k way from having enough to get me an Icarus :D

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    bazilyatbazilyat Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm afraid I probably won't be buying these. I want my T6 Defiant.
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    machel84machel84 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    coffeemike wrote: »
    The game devs can't fix the lag... its the network engineers who have to deal with that. So the game devs can keep making things for the game and have no direct access to the code or systems that might fix the lag. That's PWE's problem at this point.

    As to why it hasn't been resolved, who knows. Maybe they are underestimating how many instances they need.

    Actually, you're wrong on one point:

    Game devs CAN fix the lag, in terms of graphical effects. In terms of coding of said effects. Both of which have HIGH impact on players overall lag experience. The more they continue making super-intensive effects (pilot ship maneuvers, and pilot ship consoles will only increase this problem), the lag will continue.

    It CAN'T be fixed, if they continue coding the game incorrectly, and using too demanding effects.
    bazilyat wrote: »
    I'm afraid I probably won't be buying these. I want my T6 Defiant.

    Absolutely this. T6 Defiant and a T6 Bird of Prey. That's all I want right now. And a T6 T'Varo if it's not too much to ask.
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    davideightdavideight Member Posts: 458 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    just use aux to dampeners 1 with the buff enhancement doff.

    will give you freedom2move 2/3rd of the time as well as some nice decent "resist all" for same time.

    btw this also helps against most of the disables the heralds use.
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    personally i like the federation ones. i like the edgy design like oversized smallships. its like the old federation raider used by the maquis now.

    i think for me it will be the eng variant, maybe mixed with the nose of the sci variant.


    i must say im deeply relived for the fact that the mercury isnt the only version. i kind of dont like it visually and im deeply happy with the engineering variant. though i had preferred the scivariants seating over the engineering ones. so i may buy the 3pack mabye.
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    swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    There will be a fleet version of those ships ?

    They already have 11 consoles.
    No fleet version for you!
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I did not expect a 5/2 layout.

    Wonder when and if we'll see the Tier 6 Defiant Variant, it will still have the 4/3 layout?
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    rakhohl#4803 rakhohl Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I've been sitting on a huge pile of Dilithium for a while, now. I went ahead and got the 12k Zen to get these. I agree with others here that the Klingon models look fantastic, as do the Feds. I'm warming up to the Romulan (my favorite faction). The best thing about getting the bundles is then you have so many options to customize the ship, so I expect to be playing with that for a while.

    I've been fortunate in that I have not experienced the consistent and excessive lag others have reported, so I'm pretty confident that these ships are going to be a blast to fly.

    I have the Intel ships and the Command ships, so that's gonna be it for a while, Cryptic. :) Really. Maybe...
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    toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    What is this nonsense?!
    Klingon Raptors have always been among the most maneuverable and powerful ships in the quadrant...

    Klingon raptors were always on the slower side (most manoeuvrable ships in the quadrant would be the raiders, aka Birds of Prey) and clearly less powerful than KDF battlecruisers.


    But that's just game text...


    Now onto bigger problems:
    Starship Ability Package (Escort/Raptor)

    Precise Weapon Systems (+Accuracy)
    Tactical Maneuvering (+Defense)
    Enhanced Weapon Systems (+Weapon Damage)
    Devastating Weaponry (+Critical Chance)
    This thing is wrong. The above masteries are used on escorts. KDF raptors use the raptor/destroyer mastery package. That is, instead of +defense, they get +15% CritD. With one exception: the Mat'Ha has the escort package instead of the raptor/destroyer one: reported here.
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    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

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    trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I did not expect a 5/2 layout.

    Wonder when and if we'll see the Tier 6 Defiant Variant, it will still have the 4/3 layout?

    The positive note on this is the KDF having multiple 5 tact console ships not to mention this has the 5/2 layout plus that lol.
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    hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I do wonder if we'll get double Iconic bundles or just one in about a month or two from now.

    While the Cruiser X-Faction bundle was straightforward due to the fact that they share near-identical layouts, the Defiant and BoP do not, whereas the Defiant and Raptor do, with the T'Varo coming close, while the BoP and Aquarius share near-identical loadouts.

    So if following that; we should see two:
    - Defiant/Raptor/T'Varo - Similar setups.
    - Aquarius/BoP/New Rom "BoP" - Similar setups.

    Otherwise, we could expect 3 ships not exactly balanced to each other and completely their own thing, but sold together akin to the DR Pack:
    - Defiant/BoP/T'Varo

    Personally, I prefer the former; two packs of Iconics, for more variety.
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    erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The KDF ships are incredibly pretty, the fed ones are nice to. The Rom ones ? They are terribly ugly, and looks like Xindi insectoid ship, not Romulan, except for the green hull.

    Stats are nice, and I would definitely be interested if cannons were not subpar compared to beams. Also, it's way overpriced (120$ for a pack of rather similar ship ? Yeah....).

    I'll stay on the fence, the only redeemer would be the pilot skill that allow for a ship to slide around a target, and keep it in the narrow cannon fire angle while moving. If we can use that all the time without much issue, perhaps when the ships are on discount.



    That's really too bad, because ~2 years ago, I would have bought this pack. But cash grabs, grind, DR, T5 obsolescence and beams powercreep happened since then.
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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Nice looking and I'm pleasantly surprised that the traits don't look OP. Still not a fan of 9-packs and think its kinda lame that two of the consoles are basically the Risan set, but still, net positive first impression.
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    schloopdooschloopdoo Member Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The ships all look great, and the "Stay On Target" trait is hilarious.

    I'm loving the cross-faction bundle as a model for new ships, going forward. Hopefully that remains the standard, so that there's some equality in new ship releases across the three factions in the future.
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    dabelgravedabelgrave Member Posts: 979 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    toiva wrote: »
    This thing is wrong. The above masteries are used on escorts. KDF raptors use the raptor/destroyer mastery package. That is, instead of +defense, they get +15% CritD. With one exception: the Mat'Ha has the escort package instead of the raptor/destroyer one: reported here.

    I think you're mixing 3 Mastery packages into 2:

    Destroyer
    Precise Weapon Systems
    Enhanced Weapon Banks
    Devastating Weaponry
    Enhanced Weapon Systems

    Escort/Raptor
    Precise Weapon Systems
    Tactical Maneuvering
    Enhanced Weapon Systems
    Devastating Weaponry

    Raider
    Precise Weapon Systems
    Tactical Maneuvering
    Enhanced Weapon Systems
    Enhanced Weapon Banks
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    clusterfoxclusterfox Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Duz (black and) red wunz go faster?

    I sense many "you see me, you die, me other side of map" build attempts in my future.
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    whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    takfel wrote: »
    Ajax class... Does this mean we'll be "cleaning up" the universe?

    Not really. What we are going to see is a lot of USS Flash Gordon's, USS Ming the Merciless, and USS Hawkmen ... Diiiiiiive
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