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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,223 Arc User
    edited May 2015

    Think its the same thing here,certain specific circunstances must happen for you to be affected with lag and rubberbanding.
    To be honest i cant say which because i have tried doing some runs using the traits you guys mentioned,using command ships and trying to replicate the situation and zip,nada de nada no lag or rubberbanding,so it might have to do with my geographical location,net provider or maybe Cryptic loves me,who knows...

    Id love to do a lag free ISA with you, would be my first in weeks. As it would seem my main part of current lag issues seems to be correlated with power interaction of me and my team which surface on discrete space maps the most. I ran a dozen ground stf without issues yesterday, first isa…. stock motion. I can be online in 4-5 hours.

    Let’s pug ISA then if u like. I would be very surprised if cryptic’s love for you is enough when I’m in your team.
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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Hmm...if the command ships are causing lag for others, I'll have to move back to my fleet mogh - I'll miss my scorpions, but I'd rather have a lag free game than more dps (or maybe the kobali ship...as command powers are too good to drop)
  • jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Skip to 5:30 in this video to see how much better the lag is without using command ships or any abilities at all... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MDfqehwOP4

    Having said that, there was still a bit of lag
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,913 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    burstorion wrote: »
    Hmm...if the command ships are causing lag for others, I'll have to move back to my fleet mogh - I'll miss my scorpions, but I'd rather have a lag free game than more dps (or maybe the kobali ship...as command powers are too good to drop)

    Except no one has anything but speculation to show that Command ships are the cause, or even part of the cause.

    From what I can tell, it's nothing but guess. I don't want to cause server lag either, but I'm not going to stop using a ship I paid for because someone things maybe it causes lag.
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  • snipey47asnipey47a Member Posts: 485 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    Server wide=THE WHOLE SERVER suffers this issue,so in layman terms that means 100% of the playerbase suffers from lag and rubberbanding...so how come i have seen other post from players who dont suffer either of those problems?




    And meet you ingame? Yeah right like that is going to happen,open myself to harrassment and grief on top of the fact that i just had brunch and i want to keep it in...you know ive read your posts in the forums and the simple thought of interacting with you ingame on a personal level makes me sick to my stomach...no offense :rolleyes:




    Ok one person...you suffering lagging,few dozen post...lets say 2000 players more and that is a way off base but whatever....and im the only one stating that i dont suffer any of those issues?

    Have you read the forums? A lot of players like me have clearly stated that they do not lag or rubberband...how about all the players that are playing at the moment? If they suffered from lag or rubberbanding wouldnt they come to the forums and complain?

    You left out a whole chunk of the playerbase out of this issue...imagine a trivial pursuit round cheese looking thingy...you are one or two of the coloured pieces you get when you correcty answer a question...AT THE MOST...rest are enjoying the game thank you very much.

    P.S: AND AGAIN ILL USE CAPS AND RED FONT BECAUSE SOME OF YOU CANT SEEM TO GRASP WHAT IM SAYING:

    IM NOT SAYING THERE ISNT LAG OR RUBBERBANDING,IM ONLY SAYING NOT EVERYONE SUFFERS FROM IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well aren't you just the sweet talker now, aren't you?

    Why would we grief you and open ourselves up to harassment complaint or a bad wrap from you on these forums? It was a sincere & genuine offer to demonstrate this lag issue to you. Your decline of such an offer and in the manner of which you declined it suggests that you don't really care about the truth at all. Whatever your reason are irrelevant. If you did care about the truth you would be keen to seek out what the truth actually is regardless if it proves or disproves your litany of posts. You don't have to like me to prove that. I won't lose any sleep due to the fact that I won't make any headway with you personally and therefore won't have a chance to make your christmas card list this year because that is not what this is about. This is about system wide lag. We would have done different PVE/STF's with you and give the IP addresses of the gameserver instance for each mission so that you can see that this is a system wide problem. You have continually asked for proof in so many of your posts and when the offer is given to show it to you, you respond with a snide personal insult.

    On top of that, you completely ignored the post asking you to provide proof in the form of a video to support your claims. We have provided video after video to back us up but you have provided diddly-squat To be honest, I am gobsmacked at your response considering how vocal you have been on this issue. Any credibility you had has just gone out the window with that response. I hope now the forum moderators see you for the troll that you truly are due to this in addition to your personal insult to me.

    Have a nice day
  • snipey47asnipey47a Member Posts: 485 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    Trust me im the sort of person who speaks its mind,havent you read my posts regarding the lack of T6 escort type ships from the C-Store and the way Cryptic is trying to pigeonhole the playerbase into playing the FOTM (Cruisers+FAW)?¿

    Dont you think that if i had lag or rubberbanding i wouldnt be here with you guys complaining about it and asking for a fix?

    Truth be told yes i would,same with the Escort debacle but why would i complain about something that doesnt affect me or alot of my fleet members or ingame friends.

    And again back to the basics,im not saying that there isnt an issue just stating that not everyone is suffering from it like some of you want us to believe.

    But that is just it, mate. Until this and the previous thread you posted in where you said you would ignore Sarcasmdetector and me, you did proclaim that the lag wasn't there. Do you think we would be responding to you like this if in every thread you simply suggested that it doesn't affect you and only gave that opinion. You didn't do that. You pick apart peoples posts about this, stated the lag as fictional and not server side or system wide. You changed your tune slightly when Borticus acknowledged the system has issues.

    The new ships, abilities and trees are causing the lag and that has been our consistent message. The truth is now inescapable for you.. changing your rhetoric slightly while maintaining your dismissive and condescending tone won't work.

    Have a nice day, once again.
  • xbpathfinderxbpathfinder Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Perfect world please fix this soon, if ever.
    Really disappointing.

    I wasted time and effort on this game only to get mostly frustration in return. Not fun.

    If you can't fix it, just remove it and compensate us, better than losing all of your paying player base right?

    Remember it's the community that keeps the game alive long term, not the missions, the content, or the ships.

    That only lasts for a short while.

    It's being able to play with others we call friends. 1000+ players. And the majority of us are thinking of leaving because:

    PVP is ruined, PVE is boring same old same old do this do that. We can't log on regularly. Items are mostly bugged. Game is time consuming and expensive. And now it's a unplayable frozen mess.

    You've only got the connection between players keeping the game afloat.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited May 2015
    snipey47a wrote: »
    But that is just it, mate. Until this and the previous thread you posted in where you said you would ignore Sarcasmdetector and me, you did proclaim that the lag wasn't there. Do you think we would be responding to you like this if in every thread you simply suggested that it doesn't affect you and only gave that opinion. You didn't do that. You pick apart peoples posts about this, stated the lag as fictional and not server side or system wide. You changed your tune slightly when Borticus acknowledged the system has issues.

    The new ships, abilities and trees are causing the lag and that has been our consistent message. The truth is now inescapable for you.. changing your rhetoric slightly while maintaining your dismissive and condescending tone won't work.

    Have a nice day, once again.



    just for the record this super lag began with that first Tuesday patch approx. a month or more ago

    I was using 4 command ships before that with no noticeable lag pugging infected space but from that Tuesday patch space lag has been horrible.............sometimes I see no lag sometimes a little and sometimes its plain game breaking

    But you do not see this lag on something like Bug hunt elite ground...........So like I pointed out a month ago I agree this is a ship/trait based bug

    Cross linked team based traits are the villain here is my belief
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  • eionpeionp Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The worst part is they haven't admitted there's a massive problem with their update yet it's obvious to anyone that parses or watches their skills activate a cooldown but never fire, not to mention the more apparent rubberbanding.

    To just give canned responses like update your drivers or call your ISP is infuriating.

    The only thing you do in the end game is work on progression and you can't progress if half the time your skills don't even activate. It makes me play ground stf's because it's a crapshoot whether you'll get a space stf that isn't a lagfest and EVEN IF IT DOESN'T rubberband you still get the misfire glitch causing CD and no activation of skills.

    If it's possible, temporarily deactivate the command inspiration ability if that's what's causing it, i doubt anyone will notice since these command and intel powers are usually weaksauce in space pve anyway.
  • crickwatsoncrickwatson Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Same issues for me and also for everyone in my friendslist. I still like STO because it stands out from the mass of boring fantasy MMOs and it could have a good and stable position on the market for the future.
    But seriously do you PWE really expect people to pay for a game in which you can barely play any endgame content for which you had to grind pretty hard?
    So please ensure that Cryptic studios have the financial and personnel recources to hold the game together. Right now it looks like they don't have any of it!
  • treawtreaw Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Yes, the lag is rather serious issue. Even experienced people who left queue because of how unplayable it was for them.

    Tho it's one of the issues that bother me lately. Another one is new map where auto-flying to points of interest doesn't get you close enough to interact with the map object. Nebula, planet or whatever, just another 0.3 light years to go.

    So yes, I'll join with my voice.

    Please, Developers, look into this and fix this. People can't use full potential of newly introduced abilities.

    P.S: if it is about checks against other players, then the new pilot tree where it checks whether you're amongst allies and such might cause such trouble also.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited May 2015
    Am i suffering from lag?

    Nope

    Am i suffering from rubberbanding?

    Nope

    Is it my problem that others do?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and run STF's with people i dont want,need or desire to know ingame?

    Nope

    Should i reveal my ingame name so i can be harrassed,flamed and other such things?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and spend it by downloadin a recording program,installing said program,then running the program so i can record me running an STF and not having lag or rubberbanding issues then to end it all uploading the video so i can prove to people i dont really care about that im not suffering lag or rubberbanding?

    Nope[/QUOTE



    Are you playing STO in space

    Nope

    Just a forum Troll
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  • sarosssaross Member Posts: 248 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    jellico1 wrote: »
    just for the record this super lag began with that first Tuesday patch approx. a month or more ago

    Wrong, for some of us it began at the anniversary event.
    But you do not see this lag on something like Bug hunt elite ground...........So like I pointed out a month ago I agree this is a ship/trait based bug

    Myself and a few others noticed a bit of lag showing up in the ground queues. As people switch from space focus to ground focus and add in those similar trees and such that lag will show it's ugly face all over.
    Cross linked team based traits are the villain here is my belief

    This has been acknowledged in a post regarding the lag. There are currently three MAJOR issues going on currently that they have admitted to. One was introduced at S10 that was reducing FPS. (Supposedly fixed?)

    One was networking issues on their end.

    Another was lack of power in the hardware to handle the server heavy skills and specials that are available to players. So, yes the new traits are a part of that issue. But there's more, like the trees and anything else that uses constant checking to do their job.

    With one or two, you might not see terrible lag, but once you get 3, 4, or 5 get ready to a back and forth dance that looks close to country line dancing only with one part repeating itself and looking awkward.
    eionp wrote: »
    The worst part is they haven't admitted there's a massive problem with their update yet it's obvious to anyone that parses or watches their skills activate a cooldown but never fire, not to mention the more apparent rubberbanding.

    See above.

    In the end anyone who wants to say that there is no issue, you obviously have not been watching the major post reading them acknowledge that THEY have an issue. And you clearly have not heard the P1 podcast where Geko Acknowledges that there is an issue, AND that he has had lag himself lately. So stop saying that there isn't an issue, because there clearly is, especially if it's being widely stated by them.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,913 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    eionp wrote: »
    The worst part is they haven't admitted there's a massive problem with their update yet it's obvious to anyone that parses or watches their skills activate a cooldown but never fire, not to mention the more apparent rubberbanding.

    To just give canned responses like update your drivers or call your ISP is infuriating.

    They have acknowledged the problem, Trendy even posted about it before taking her brief sick leave:

    I wanted to make sure that everything leading up to Season 10 was handled. In regards to the lag, crashes, and SNRs, I've been making sure the team is aware of the high-priority issues and that there is a central thread about it. I have communicated everything to my team at PWE to handle my absence, as well as keep up both the publication schedule and necessary communication about aforementioned issues to developers.

    These are still my biggest concerns, and once I'm back (later this week) I will be at full strength again. I will continue to do what I can to help and serve the community.
    ~LaughingTrendy

    The last patch also had notes that a few things were done to reduce lag and they're still working on further fixes. Several other Devs have posted about it as well, a lot of people are working on it.
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  • shandypandyshandypandy Member Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Am i suffering from lag?

    Nope

    Am i suffering from rubberbanding?

    Nope

    Is it my problem that others do?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and run STF's with people i dont want,need or desire to know ingame?

    Nope

    Should i reveal my ingame name so i can be harrassed,flamed and other such things?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and spend it by downloadin a recording program,installing said program,then running the program so i can record me running an STF and not having lag or rubberbanding issues then to end it all uploading the video so i can prove to people i dont really care about that im not suffering lag or rubberbanding?

    Nope

    So, participating in this thread is completely pointless for you then really, isn't it.

    Bye.
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  • xbpathfinderxbpathfinder Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Obvious beginner post: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1366731

    OH HE MENTIONED HE COULDN'T LOG ON LOL

    Really really close minded..

    "so what ticks me off is people wanting me to believe that the WHOLE playerbase suffers from this when actually its not a big deal." --#PlasmaBrickHead http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=23370241&postcount=45

    Doesn't seem to be a paying player: "long time to save for my phantom so im asking this before i start up again on the long grind towards the 3ks Zen i need for a T6 science ship"http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=22170061&postcount=1
    Am i suffering from lag?

    Nope

    Am i suffering from rubberbanding?

    Nope

    Is it my problem that others do?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and run STF's with people i dont want,need or desire to know ingame?

    Nope

    Should i reveal my ingame name so i can be harrassed,flamed and other such things?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and spend it by downloadin a recording program,installing said program,then running the program so i can record me running an STF and not having lag or rubberbanding issues then to end it all uploading the video so i can prove to people i dont really care about that im not suffering lag or rubberbanding?

    Nope
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  • sqwishedsqwished Member Posts: 1,475 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Snip...
    Snipey's comment as well as others still stands, you have stated repeatedly in numerous other threads that you are not experience any of the issues that others are having to contend with, so why bother posting in threads that have no obvious impact on you other than to try troll others and turn the thread into a flamefest, and ultimately get a perfectly valid thread closed?
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  • xbpathfinderxbpathfinder Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Sorry I'm closed mined, can u repeat that? I have trouble reading the distress of some people. :o
    Hahahahahahaha you are sooooo goooood.

    "fjdlafjekla"...

    Ty I am good at finding level headed, open, smart people.
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  • zathri83zathri83 Member Posts: 514 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-uel. :D
  • xbpathfinderxbpathfinder Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    zathri83 wrote: »
    It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-uel. :D

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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    why, all the threads become like a kindergarten.

    this problem with the lag is really serious.

    there are also, players who have spent money in this game and can't even now log in.
    cryptic is going to lose even the whales. i know, players who buy everything, and spend a lot of money in the game (+ the subscription), and they can't even enjoy their purchases: excessive lag, disconnected from server every 10 minutes, impossible to log in.

    Cryptic provides a service, we pay for this service, but we can't enjoy integrally this service.
    i bought 2 T6 ships in the last 2 months, but i haven't buy the "moonwalk attack pattern" and the rubberbanding/lag. this wasn't on the bill.

    all the games have lag; this is a real fact. But not like the lag seen in the vids, or that i encounter in most of the stfs.
  • snipey47asnipey47a Member Posts: 485 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    Am i suffering from lag?

    Nope

    Am i suffering from rubberbanding?

    Nope

    Is it my problem that others do?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and run STF's with people i dont want,need or desire to know ingame?

    Nope

    Should i reveal my ingame name so i can be harrassed,flamed and other such things?

    Nope

    Should i take my precious time and spend it by downloadin a recording program,installing said program,then running the program so i can record me running an STF and not having lag or rubberbanding issues then to end it all uploading the video so i can prove to people i dont really care about that im not suffering lag or rubberbanding?

    Nope

    Are you prepared to backup what your assertions?

    Nope

    But thank you for finally showing us your true colours. The excuses you bleat is just plain silly. Such as giving up your @handle because we would grief you. Why would we do that when it is against the Star Trek Online policies and risk getting ourselves banned?

    So please in the future don't insist on proof from people when you are unwilling to provide proof yourself.
  • mmps1mmps1 Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Ground lags like a TRIBBLE too when folks use the pointless command mods.

    Is it perhaps that lag is the new difficulty setting? Is lag super duper elite well hard mode?
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  • sqwishedsqwished Member Posts: 1,475 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    snipey47a wrote: »
    Are you prepared to backup what your assertions?

    Nope

    But thank you for finally showing us your true colours. The excuses you bleat is just plain silly. Such as giving up your @handle because we would grief you. Why would we do that when it is against the Star Trek Online policies and risk getting ourselves banned?

    So please in the future don't insist on proof from people when you are unwilling to provide proof yourself.

    Well said sir.
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  • jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    For one simple reason,when i see something that is not true i have to call it or them out.

    In this case by the LWL (League of Whinnin Laggers),they say its a server wide issue which is a blatant lie...if this were the case this would have made the news all over the internet,havent seen any of that apart from some sporadic posts over here in the general discussion area of the forums.
    If it were a server wide issue and by server wide issue i mean 100% of the playerbase suffered from lag and rubberbanding there would be a great disturbance in the Force (wrong IP who cares),nerds would be spamming the forums,they would stand outside of Cryptics offices with signs and throw tomatoes at the employees...hmm havent seen anything like that happen.

    And to end only 7 of my fleet members (out of 391 members) suffer from lag and rubberbanding so here i am calling out your lie,this is not a server wide issue...go ahead if you suffer any issues with the game you are in your right to complain and fight for your rights but DONT LIE AND MAKE UP STATISTICS

    'Server wide' doesn't mean affecting every player. It means it affects players across the entire game regardless of location, time of day, game level etc etc. Ok, so it doesn't affect you... you're lucky! It affects us severely, and if you're not prepared to help fix the problem or offer anything constructive, please stop trolling this thread.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    this problem with the lag is really serious.
    And they have acknowledge that it is serious - even explaining at the 3 primary causes for the lag.

    And one of those causes is Traits. They have to check each Trait in the game to see which ones are conflicting with others and the maps. Then they need to remove the Traits, rebuild the Traits so they do not cause lag - while still trying to maintain what the Trait did -, then test them, and then put them back into the game. That is not a 5 minute fix. That is not even a 1 week fix. Heck, it took them weeks to find it.

    The smart move would be to lockout all Elite Content and simply turn off all Traits in the game until the problem can be fixed - no Traits operating no calculations causing issues with the Server/maps. Though I have the feeling the nerd rage posts about them doing that would probably make the lag threads look like a grain of sand on the beach in comparison. :)
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  • suzy32suzy32 Member Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Well the lag is bad for me and a lot of our fleets members say the same, in fact i dont think i could recall one who hasnt mentioned it. It has made teaming for stf pointless and frustrating, and i for one will be cancelling my subscription :( and wont renew it until something is done.
  • lebtronlebtron Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I reported command ships right after they were released. Every time an inspiration skill was used, we noticed a small lag in our team. Now with more traits, better equiped players it is even worse than ever. I really hope for a fix soon. I am staying around, doffing and chatting most of my time in game now. I rarely play it anymore...
  • xbpathfinderxbpathfinder Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    why, all the threads become like a kindergarten.

    this problem with the lag is really serious.

    there are also, players who have spent money in this game and can't even now log in.
    cryptic is going to lose even the whales. i know, players who buy everything, and spend a lot of money in the game (+ the subscription), and they can't even enjoy their purchases: excessive lag, disconnected from server every 10 minutes, impossible to log in.

    Cryptic provides a service, we pay for this service, but we can't enjoy integrally this service.

    Agreed, Keep the thread alive guys, so be methodical and state your cases. No arguing with plasma nugget, he's defeated in the eyes of this thread
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