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stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
edited May 2015 in Ten Forward
I see Klingons within the FED ranks. But I have yet to see, or remember seeing, any Humans on the Klingons side in canon.

Are there any :confused:

My favorite ship in all of Star Trek is the B'rel Bird of Prey. Its the AK-47 of Star Trek ships! So I was thrilled to see when Kirk and crew piloted one. Sadly in-game humans can't pilot one. Sure you can make an alien that looks human... but still.
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The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    My first Klingon I used the Alien Template to make a renegade Human Augment, who is in service to the KDF. I am surprised that humans can't be in the KDF. Examples...pirates, smugglers , disenchanted colonists, former Maquis, escaped convicts,the list goes on.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Why would a human want to join the Klingon Defense Force? The Klingon Defense Force is really strict compared to Starfleet and they don't accept everyone. Some KDF officers might engage in piracy or smuggling, but it is only a secondary profession just like how some naval officers have engaged in piracy and smuggling for a few extra coins in the past. No KDF Officers are pirates or smugglers.

    If you want to create a human, then just use Orions or Aliens and add some interesting backstory to your character.
  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    No KDF Officers are pirates or smugglers.

    :: looks at this ::

    :: looks at list of available Marauding doff assignments ::

    :: begs leave to differ ::
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Besides fortune, plunder, matey, and the chance of striking it rich very quickly, there's certainly humans who would see the appeal of the more.... assertive nature of Klingon society.

    The Empire also had that long period of alliance, so people could have emigrated. There are human defectors to the Romulans in canon, which had to be a lot harder to pull off.
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  • wombat140wombat140 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    A lot of the "Masterverse" stories revolve around an entire Human colony, Moab III, that went over to the Klingon Empire. The way they tell it, it makes perfect sense - and gives rise to some good storylines.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    shevet wrote: »
    :: looks at this ::

    :: looks at list of available Marauding doff assignments ::

    :: begs leave to differ ::
    Well... technically my guys are privateers, not pirates. :P I don't steal stuff so I can sell it and make a profit(okay I might do that too), but more to benefit the Empire as a whole.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    stolts wrote: »
    I see Klingons within the FED ranks. But I have yet to see, or remember seeing, any Humans on the Klingons side in canon.

    Are there any :confused:

    There has been no precedence of a human joining the KDF (or Romulan) in any Star Trek TV series or movie. However, it is Star Trek canon that there is one Klingon (Worf) and one Human-Klingon (B'Elanna Torres) serving in Starfleet.

    Is it in the realm of possibility that a few humans could have defected to the KDF or a human child has been adopted by a Klingon house? Yes, but does not mean that there should be a human playable race in the KDF (or Romulan) faction.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    stolts wrote: »
    I see Klingons within the FED ranks. But I have yet to see, or remember seeing, any Humans on the Klingons side in canon.

    Are there any :confused:

    My favorite ship in all of Star Trek is the B'rel Bird of Prey. Its the AK-47 of Star Trek ships! So I was thrilled to see when Kirk and crew piloted one. Sadly in-game humans can't pilot one. Sure you can make an alien that looks human... but still.

    none that i am aware of and ive seen all the trek series minus the cartoon series, but i imagine that would of been strictly followed by gene himself back in the day for the cartoon version, so the chances are not very good, if someone else has a better answer to that..

    anyway there was only 1 trill that joined the kdf as a "temporary" officer, on detacted service from Starfleet for a mission and for some reason now trills come from all over the place to join the empire which is very strange, not only that but there are not that many joined trills in the entire quadrant and i doubt 35 years would of changed much in that time as at the time there was great demand for symbiotes and trill initiates.
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Humans enlisted in the KDF would probably get bullied by the klingons and eventually commit suicide or desert the first chance they got. Remember, Klingons don't think very highly of us Hew-mons.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    anyway there was only 1 trill that joined the kdf as a "temporary" officer, on detacted service from Starfleet for a mission and for some reason now trills come from all over the place to join the empire which is very strange, not only that but there are not that many joined trills in the entire quadrant and i doubt 35 years would of changed much in that time as at the time there was great demand for symbiotes and trill initiates.

    Joined Trill are available to KDF because it was originally a pre-order bonus, and people were complaining before launch.
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  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    stolts wrote: »
    I see Klingons within the FED ranks. But I have yet to see, or remember seeing, any Humans on the Klingons side in canon.

    Are there any :confused:

    My favorite ship in all of Star Trek is the B'rel Bird of Prey. Its the AK-47 of Star Trek ships! So I was thrilled to see when Kirk and crew piloted one. Sadly in-game humans can't pilot one. Sure you can make an alien that looks human... but still.

    In tv show, there are any species other than klingons in KDF. But there are some bad human guys in Orion Syndicate, as we saw in DS9 Honor Among Thieves (episode).
  • stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I guess Orion, Joined Trill, or augmented human (alien) will have to suffice. Thanks guys.
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Humans are tiny, pink and they have no ridges. You might as well be asking a baby to fight.
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  • doktormarengodoktormarengo Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Technically Klingon society is very stringent and class oriented. Think Feudal Japan or even Medieval Europe.

    Only members of the great Warrior houses are allowed to captain ships. There might be a few exceptions, but for the most part that's the way it is. So it's always bugged me that you have Gorn, Orion, and weird aliens flying Bop's.. technically the KDF would never go for that.

    And certainly not an honorless human -- he or she would have to be aligned with a Great House and even then.

    However, the game paints Klingons as a motley crew of pirates.. arrrrgh... where's me eye-patch?


    So that ship has sailed and left the harbor already. So sure why not let humans captain KDF ships.. at this point anything goes.

    OH and you can make a completely human-looking non-green Orion.. it's pretty easy.. just check the skin shades. I've seen blonde blue-eyed Orions running around everywhere....
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Joined Trill are available to KDF because it was originally a pre-order bonus, and people were complaining before launch.

    it didnt make sense then, it still doesnt make sense now.
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  • lordinsanelordinsane Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    There has been no precedence of a human joining the KDF (or Romulan) in any Star Trek TV series or movie. However, it is Star Trek canon that there is one Klingon (Worf) and one Human-Klingon (B'Elanna Torres) serving in Starfleet.

    Is it in the realm of possibility that a few humans could have defected to the KDF or a human child has been adopted by a Klingon house? Yes, but does not mean that there should be a human playable race in the KDF (or Romulan) faction.
    No, there is precedence of a human defecting to the Romulans and serving in an seemingly military role. Stefan DeSeve, from the TNG episode Face of the Enemy.
    EDIT: Granted that he defected back in that episode, but still, he spent twenty years in the RSE beforehand.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    it didnt make sense then, it still doesnt make sense now.

    Wasn't trying to say it made sense, was just explaining why its a thing. I personally think the KDF as we know it should have been called the Klingon Alliance, with all races more fleshed out in terms of uniforms, weapons, and ships. The Empire is not the Federation, and its ships should not have the diverse crews of Starfleet. A Gorn should also not be the diplomatic representative of the KLINGON Empire.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Only members of the great Warrior houses are allowed to captain ships. There might be a few exceptions, but for the most part that's the way it is. So it's always bugged me that you have Gorn, Orion, and weird aliens flying Bop's.. technically the KDF would never go for that.
    Actually that's part of the current tutorial... You're officially considered to be a member of a Great House.... Gorn, Orion, or otherwise.

    AND... The Orions, Nausicaans, and Letheans are not subject races, they signed alliance treaties. Gorns technically are a subject race, but J'mpok decided not to use them for slaves. Probably because he didn't want to have to deal with constant rebelions.
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  • bcwhguderian1941bcwhguderian1941 Member Posts: 804 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I just started a Human/Alien charachter with the Delta program. He's a mercenary/privateer sanctioned
    by (2) Houses. He is not popular with the average Klingon of course, but his Gorn first officer
    keeps the bullying to a minimum. :P


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  • stormstrykestormstryke Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I had a Joined Trill join the KDF because of this game's story and had to defect.

    Klingons show up asking for the Undine shapeshifter. Fed is like "We don't have one." Then later in the mission "Oops. I guess we did."

    Later Klingons show up again warning of an Undine infiltrator. Feds act like it can't happen. Then later in the mission "Ooops. I guess it happened again."

    Then later, Romulans minding their own business. Undine has Feds attack. Then in the mission they find out it's an Undine. And without so much of an apology, just go about their way after slaughtering innocents.

    So the JT decided Starfleet is corrupt and decided to serve true justice. And the old ESD didn't help matters seeing that Undine standing there just a little bit away from Admiral Quinn's office.

    And then there is now Egg was another Undine.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2015
    It is a stretch, I freely admit, but in Voyager, when the Doc was experimenting with family life, Tom Paris pointed out that the holo-family wasn't realistic enough, and promptly rewrote the teen boy to be one infatuated with Klingon culture and hanging out with Klingons. One can infer from Paris' creation that Tom was aware of this kind of thing happening in "real" life.
  • stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    With the current state of KDF (in STO) with their "Lax" nature of allowing non-Klingons to be part of a house and to commandeer a ship as stated, and given, in the Tutorial. I think I will settle on a male Augment (alien). Since Klingons where able to recover some augmented embryos even after the BOP's supposed destruction, during the Augment Crisis. I think it would be safe to say that more enterprising Klingons, would have been able to save a few embryos to sell for quite a large hefty price tag or saved for their own personal agenda :D

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    The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I had a Joined Trill join the KDF because of this game's story and had to defect.

    Klingons show up asking for the Undine shapeshifter. Fed is like "We don't have one." Then later in the mission "Oops. I guess we did."

    Later Klingons show up again warning of an Undine infiltrator. Feds act like it can't happen. Then later in the mission "Ooops. I guess it happened again."
    Except that's not what happened, either time. The Klingons, who, you should recall, were enemy combatants in hostile territory during a declared interstellar war and therefore you would've been perfectly within your rights to just blow them out of space on sight, demanded that you hand over a Federation ambassador whom you had been ordered to escort. How the hell else should the Fed PC have reacted, you idiot? :mad:

    Quite frankly, the Fed PC asking for evidence of their claims instead of just opening fire immediately is more restraint than any real-life CO would likely have shown. And guess what they did? They took umbrage that they should have to, horror of horrors, justify their claims with hard evidence under the above circumstances and opened fire. Many fine warriors entered Gre'thor that day for being a bunch of counterproductive bloody idiots. "Diplomatic Orders" is frankly the entire war in miniature. Yes, technically the Klingons were factually correct, but they were completely and utterly moronic in how they went about solving the problem and just made things worse. J'mpok did more to further the cause of the Iconians than Hakeev did, and Hakeev was actually trying.

    The levels to which you KDF apologists will stoop to justify your idiocy and war crimes is frankly sickening.
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