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Iconians not originally evil?
somtaawkhar
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Spoilers for one of the new missions.
In "Blood of the Ancients" when the player goes to the Preserver archive, the Preserver you meet says that the Iconians "used to be brighter", but that the war changed them.
Could this be Cryptic slightly taking some of the Star Trek novel's canon, in that the Iconians use to be far nicer, and the races that destroyed them did so only because they were jealous of the Iconian's power?
In "Blood of the Ancients" when the player goes to the Preserver archive, the Preserver you meet says that the Iconians "used to be brighter", but that the war changed them.
Could this be Cryptic slightly taking some of the Star Trek novel's canon, in that the Iconians use to be far nicer, and the races that destroyed them did so only because they were jealous of the Iconian's power?
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I thought that the super evil Iconians was just Cryptic's thing.
-Edmund Blackadder-
The Iconian War storyline echoes more and more of Babylon 5's underlying story, the more I hear...
The Shadows and Vorlons remained after the other First Ones left our galaxy in order to 'teach' and guide the younger races, but ideological differences resulted in them turning on each other and manipulating those younger races against each other, all to prove their ideology the 'right' one...
I was left with the impression that the Iconians were amongst the first races the Preservers created/nurtured and were supposed to be shepards for the others to follow, but instead they became overlords enslaving those younger races, resulting in the rebellion against them...
it may have been a biased point of view, but without multiple sources to work from, its impossible to gauge what the iconians were like before they did all this.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
However, I think they loved their parents until the Preservers created and sided with the other children (or at least didn't do anything to protect/help/side with the Iconians), which then left them bitter and even more hateful.
It looks like the Iconians were already planning to destroy them but still had some respect for them as M'Tara says she'd take no joy in killing them, but still went through it nearly without hesitation after making her entrance and speech.
Maybe they know everyone hated and still hate them and that their parents consider them lost but they don't care anymore, they just want "their" galaxy back at any cost.
I'm pretty sure we'll learn that the Iconians went bad after they got sick of grinding for specialization points.
The Iconians are known to have been able to move from place to place with little effort. According to the lore they were able to enslave a lot of species through this method. The fact that the Iconians still have servitor races, namely the Herald which are a lesser Iconian species, doing their bidding and fully aware of what they are doing and why. Makes me think the Iconians have been in the slave business since the Preservers gave the Iconians brothers and sisters.
The Preserver saying 'The younger races were jealous of the Iconians' sounds more like a Parent telling others their child is innocent and misunderstood when in reality, that child really is the bad apple.
It sounds to me more like the Preservers have a bit of a soft spot for their first child. And want to believe regardless of what the Iconians do that they will eventually out grow their bad behavior.
Maybe but didn't the Prophets or the Guardians of Forever imply that we will eventually have to reconcile with the Iconians?
I dont recall seeing that at all. I guess when I run through my other two DRs Ill try to pay more attention to that part of the the dialogue.
Hopefully we will learn more as the plot progresses and the writers will avoid any simplistic nonsense of good v evil and deliver a species that is complex with a believable history.
Well, it would have been nice for a change to have some vilian who is the personification of evil. Its just like all those superhero stuff where most vilians werent bad at the beginning, but after some bull**** happened, went all crazy.
Just once a real personification of evil would be nice. Someone who was born evil, did evil and believes he is right to do so.
This BS "Went bad after a bad experience" is so stale...
Of course not. If she didnt killed the preserver and destroyed the archive, the might have helped us and that would be bad of the Iconians. So the only way to handle this in the Iconians favor is how she handled it.
Its kinda like you break into an jewel shop, but are seen, so the only choice you have to not go to jail is to kill. You know how those CSI-Series go
i am expecting we will not win agains iconians but thy will simply realise they should move forward like preservers or maybe to some other galaxy.
Play Halo 4, the bad guy there has the same motivations (and more dialog so far.)
The iconians were masters/care takers of the galaxy but they had the mantle of responsibility taken away from them (perhaps because they view super-weapons and bio-engineered brain parasites as viable solutions to large scale social problems.) However after their exile they haven't really learned anything so here comes the Master Chief / Captain James T. Picard Jr. to explain things to them with guns.
That or they just got on with life. A civilization might not remember what it was up to 200,000 years ago.
Also, I'd expect this to be the incoming sub-plot / how we beat the iconians assuming the power of galactic friendship isn't the solution to this war too.
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They are just naughty misbehaving ancient beings... need a good slappa slappa to set em straight
They have, its just that the species has changed a lot in 200,000 years. The original iconians are great big floating chaos demons. Modern iconians on the other hand...well they're small, fluffy, hog nosed, and we've been helping them to breed quite a lot since discovering New Romulus.
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That kind of nonsense is unbelievable though. I'd rather have a realistic, believable universe than a silly simplistic one where everything is black and white.
Don't expect either that season 11 will have anything new or at least anything apparently new attached to the whole Iconian conflict. As I believe that the dev's and writer's will return to some of the other running plots and build upon them.
Well, it can happen, cant it? Even if everything is a shade of grey, there will be a shade that will be fairly black.
The whole "went from good to evil" is all you usually get. Like in the last spiderman film, were electro went from a wimp with superpowers to the vengence seaking destroyer, thats pretty much the story of every superhero vilian out there.
If there are such being as the Organians, inherently good, there have to be beings on the oposite of the spectrum. How was it "For every julian bashir we get a Khan noonien Singh", or for our world Mandela and Hitler.