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Are Korath and his Chrono Deflector going to show up?
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The Klingon scientist Korath invented the Chrono Deflector in the early 25th Century - the KDF's Temporal Science Vessel is named for him. In one alternate future, he made a deal to give one to Janeway in 2404 so she could travel back to 2378 in return for her using her influence to get him on the High Council in the VOY episode Endgame. It's also possible that he's the one who sent Alexander Rozhenko, or K'mtar as he ended up calling himself, to 2370 from 2410 from the Cambra System in TNG episode Firstborn.
Considering that STO is now in the year 2410, and now time travel is increasing in importance, are Korath and his time travel device going to show up? It will mark the first development of reliable time travel technology in the Star Trek timeline, slingshot maneuvers being notoriously hard even on starships that successfully make the transit.
Considering that STO is now in the year 2410, and now time travel is increasing in importance, are Korath and his time travel device going to show up? It will mark the first development of reliable time travel technology in the Star Trek timeline, slingshot maneuvers being notoriously hard even on starships that successfully make the transit.
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http://sto.gamepedia.com/Temporal_Warfare_Set
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The description makes no sense. How do you invent something to work in unison with another device that hasnt been invented yet? Where are they getting the information to build a device to work in unison and if they have that information why didnt they just out right invent the Deflector themselves?
Scientist from alternate timeline arrives with chrono deflector. Does stuff.
Scientist from prime timeline observes and gets inconclusive scans of stuff happening and the time traveler's gear that is making stuff happen
Scientist from alternate timeline leaves taking his toys with him
Scientist from prime dates the toys as best as possible from his scans, figures they are from 30 or 40 years in the future. Includes a note in his report that the time traveler referred to one as "that *$&%#ing chrono deflector" and that the device had such and so properties.
Later scientist has an idea based on the report and data and invents tachyokinetic convertor to interact with the such property and thus improve the so property.
Much much later, now old and retired prime scientist notes that no one ever intended a *$&#ing chrono deflector and wonders if he got his analysis of the dating wrong, ormif his scans were wrong, or if the guy was from an alternate universe not a different point in the timeline. Then he shrugs it off and watches more game show on the holovid.
To quote Janeway: "I hate temporal mechanics."
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The Chrono Deflector being in our timeline is also her fault.
I'm completely content with this explanation.
People hate temporal mechanics because they keep seing time as linear, going back in time for them means they go back in the line.
Stop seing it as a line, imagine it as an spider web, everything becomes easier, diferent threads are different timelines, theoretically there are infinite parallel/alternate realities, and every single decission creates it's very own timeline, travelling back in time gets you to a different timeline since your arrival there created said timeline.
It might sound complicated, but it's really simple once you forget how you think time and cause-effect work.
Korath obviously exists (or existed at some point) because the future Klingons name a time ship after him.
Presumably, he didn't invent the chronodeflector in this timeline because of the changes caused by Janeway. He must still have done something important to get a ship named after him, though.
Also notice the text only says the chronodeflector wasn't invented in the current timeline. If the devs want to, at some point they can still write the story as the Feds still having the chronodeflector future Janeway used, from the alternate timeline. Or specs to build them.
Would be a funny twist, BTW...Korath didn't, couldn't, invent the chronodeflector in this timeline, because it already existed.
Let's say you have (e.g.) version 5.0.0 of your software, which is directly derived from 4.1.7's code. But you have legacy customers you have to support, and they can't use version 5, so you go back and branch v4.1.7 out to v4.2.0. The changes you make to the 4.2.0 code do not propagate to version 5--instead, you have now created a new code branch that will never normally integrate with the v5 branch.
You can later integrate the two code branches, but it can get really messy and create all sorts of bugs (temporal anomalies/paradox). Unless you do that, though, they are in every possible way parallel lines of development that merely share a common point of divergence.
It doesn't matter how many times you go back and do this--no matter how far back you go, or how many changes you make, your changes will only affect the new code branch, not the "prime" branch.
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Actually they seem to have a complete inability to understand the definition of "before". As in " go back before such and so happened". Instead they interpret "before" as "again" as in, "make such and so happen a second time".
Hollywood linear view of parallel timelines mushed into one:
Event happens first time
History book is written
Dude is born
Dude reads history book and isn't happy with event
Dude invents time machine
Dude travels into past
Event happens second time
Dude changes event
Dude returns to present
Dude is even more upset at the historical events
Dude goes back in time again
Event happens third time
Dude changes events
Dude returns to present
Dude is horrified to realize he boned his grandma
Non-parallel timelines view of time:
Dude arrives on past the second time
Dude arrives in past the third time
Dude arrives in past the first time
Event happens
Dude returns to a bit after he left the first time
Dude returns to a bit after he left the second time
Dude returns to a bit after he left the third time
History book is written
Dude is born
Dude reads history book
Dude invents time machine
Dude uses time machine first time
Dude returns after first trip
Dude uses time machine second time
Dude returns after second trip
Dude uses time machine third time
Dude returns after third trip
Dude realizes that he might be better off finding a girlfriend who lives in his own time
But this is usually far less interesting as a narrative. Fire tripper by rumiko Takahashi is one of the few that does it half as entertaining as the more common "make the event happen again" view.
Because Janeway took the device into the past and the technology was there to reverse engineer.
this right here the admiral Janeway takes presumeably the only device ever made took it back with her in the past to save past janeway ship and crew and left the device in the past with her crew which the device ends up being reverse engineered which means that since it got reverse engineered the device the the device I guess was technically never made in the alternate admiral janeway's future and was tecnically made in the past cause in the it was never made in the future since that timeline never happened
I believe that was hinted in the new tutorial in regards to the "Janeway Protocals", in case the Borg ever attacked again. If I remember correctly, it was more than just using the Borg transwarp network to return home -- there was information she left behind in case the Borg ever attacked again.
I believe this was an attempt to explain how our energy weapons are capable of actually damaging the Borg, and how we're able to avoid getting insta-killed by the Borg like at the Battle of Wolf 359 or Sector 001.
Was there anything from the episode that gave us reason to believe the deflector was irreparably damaged, beyond any hope of reverse engineering it?
What ever happened to the shuttle she had it installed on?
This almost makes me want to go watch that episode again.
The inference if that the fine folks in the 29th century had plans to integrate technology taken from an alternate past.
It would be a bit like someone from STO designing technology in hopes of integrating it with technology they have observed from the J.J.-verse.
Tempus fugit!
I don't remember them mentioning the chronodeflector after the time-jump was over. But lets face it, there's no way Future Janeway would've let the Borg have it, so she would've removed it from her ship before doing the suicide mission to kill the queen (IIRC, the only thing the Borg got from the ship was the armor, which is what prevented Voyager from one-shotting that sphere that chased them into the transwarp conduit). That means it must have been either destroyed or left on Voyager.
And since she was explicitly intending to change the past anyway, leaving the chronodeflector isn't any more a problem than the armor and weapons. Its not like the Star Trek universe isn't full of means to travel in time already.
I never noticed any reference that the Borg had adapted any of future Janeway's tech. But I agree that she would have taken extra measures to ensure they didn't get the deflector. Still doesn't mean she just handed it over to her past self. I got the impression she wasn't entirely convinced that she was doing the smart thing in going back in time, and would assume she had the foresight to know that her earlier self might have used such a device to save whatever crew they lost in the delta quadrant, if not outright prevent them from ever reaching the delta quadrant in the first place.
My understanding of the Chronodeflector is that it was a one-way trip. Once Admiral Janeway went back in time, the Chronodeflector was just a charred piece of junk. It would be like your future self giving you a PS9 that has been charred to a crisp. You might be able to figure out what alloys it is made of and how complex it is, but you wouldn't figure out the various features it has like the neural interface or see it in operation for decades.
"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff"
Best explanation of temporal mechanics I've heard
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