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  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    Were you to do this with politicians here in the US, you wouldn't really be hurting anyone. You'd be doing everyone a favor. :D

    As an American I have to say..... yeah, that's prtty spot on.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    step 1. ask my orion crew members if they need shore leave.

    step 2a. if yes, beam them down to the planet tell them I'll be back in a month and wish to rule the planet. the may take any time during this month they don't need to take over the planet off.

    step 2b. if no, I will inform them they have a mission to seduce the world leaders into joining the kdf and that I'll return in a week.

    step 3. return to the kdf's newest planet and declare myself governor.

    if they fail, glass the planet.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Depends on my motivation

    Am I simply raiding the planet for something, Like a mineral rescource of high value, Or is this a take and hold scenario in which I plan to stay ?

    In the case of a raid its rather simple, I will disable any orbital stations, Vessels and defense platforms and proceed to my primary objective , take what I cam for and leave

    A take and hold scenario would be extensive, and difficult, Ultimately costing me more than I am willing to sacrifice. Simply put, I lack the Dedicated Ground troops needed to subjugate an entire population.

    My ship is not equipped to wage a ground war, I don't bring Transports, Armored Vehicles or Atmospheric craft needed to wage a war.
    I might be able to capture Bases, take and replicate some of the things I need ( assuming I can gather the needed energy for such mass replication) But the attrition is likely going to be too great to handle
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  • eisenshorneisenshorn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Alter the atmosphere to suit my race's requirements.

    Wait for everyone to die.

    Move in.


    Or if I just wanted the planet for raw resources and not to occupy: destroy the moon, let gravity do the rest.
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well Ima, I think you know how I would do it..
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Cargo hold full holodeck technology programmed with every vice imaginable. Give it to them freely. Wait 90 days and activate the remote self destruct. Ask what they thought of the demo version. :D
  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.


    But wait for nightfall. They mostly come out at night. Mostly...
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  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    the lance is basically a siege weapon so i would just warp in under cloak and observe there system finding where the main cities are located or ones with military bases and lance one warp out rinse and repeat until there central government was in disarray then issue my surrender demand
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  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    gpgtx wrote: »
    the lance is basically a siege weapon so i would just warp in under cloak and observe there system finding where the main cities are located or ones with military bases and lance one warp out rinse and repeat until there central government was in disarray then issue my surrender demand


    Don't forget that A: any ship by 25th cent standards can take a nuke. We'd have some kinetic damamge and radiation to contend with but when a people throw their biggest rock at you and it fails to knock you over, that speaks volumes; and,

    B: we can remotely deactivate the triggering mechanisms from our ship, essentually neutering their primary defence. Or, as I would, remotely detonate them when they are still in their prefiring chambers.

    Either way, it's a win/iwn.
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  • cbob312cbob312 Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Alternately, I could EMP the place and then cover the whole planet in holo-emitters, your home is now a prison and the world a reeducation camp. Hope you like being a cult member because that's the only way out that leaves you with a pulse.
  • galanis2814galanis2814 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Warp in, disable or destroy defense fleet first. Then, board and occupy the shipyard. Deploy runabouts to patrol orbit with orders to tractor any ship attempting to flee. Deploy heavy turrets around the shipyard, use it as base for the occupation. My ship then goes about taking all orbital communication satellites offline, enforcing a planet-wide communications blackout.

    At this point, contact the planetary government and ask for their surrender. If they have any surface forces capable of launching to pose a threat to me in orbit, I blow them up before they can launch. If there is no surrender, begin laying an orbital minefield of Nukara web mines. When minefield is complete, replace Runabout patrols with heavy turret emplacements.

    If there is still no surrender, swap runabouts for Elite Catian Stalkers. Deploy Stalkers into atmosphere to perform hit-and-run strikes against military installations, no more than one attack per day.

    The ultimate goal is to maintain dominance in orbit, not engaging their ground-based military forces unless absolutely necessary. Nothing gets out of atmo without being disabled or destroyed. Minimal civilian casualties, and minimal damage to industrial resources that would be of use to me after the planet surrenders.
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Ferenginar. Nuke the planet from orbit, only way to be sure. :D

    (Edit: Someone beat me to the catchphrase. :P Still in the Ferengi's case it's worth repeating twice. :D )
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  • r9xchaosr9xchaos Member Posts: 249
    edited May 2014
    imadude3 wrote: »
    just a small discussion i had with a fellow in chat, and i found it so interesting i decided to make a thread about it, since hearing how other people would go about it would make for interesting reading material :D

    keep in mind all the "federation does not invade" is irrelevant here

    ok so here goes:
    the scenario
    you are going to invade a small planet, on your own
    your resources
    your ship ONLY! no fleet support (carrier pets counts as your ship so you can bring them too)
    the opposition
    a single shipyard. defencive fleet of 10 ships of different classes. a population of 10 million people on the planet (atleast 1 million of which are soldiers stationed around the planet)
    your objective
    takeover. either force the government to surrender, or fight the population until they cannot fight you anymore.

    so here's what i'd do: i'd bring my Dominion dreadnought, outfit it with a skeleton crew of 500, leaving room for 3.000 troops for invading the planet. i'd go in and use the dreadnoughts overwhelming firepower and the four attack ships i have in my hanger to obliterate the enemy fleet and the shipyard, then i'd orbital bombard any major military installations/air fields/ artillery installations, and anything i can't bombard, i'd send my troops to take out, then i'd lay siege to the capital and wait for the government to surrender on their own.

    now the real question: what would you do?


    I fly cloaked with my dhelan warbird and land on surface...

    i activate my photonic-costume device to mimic their highest rank people...

    while i do that i use my neural-manipulator-nanites to AoE infect everyone around me to make them join me...

    i go walk into their base and replace their leader and all other personnel with my photonic crew...

    then make the changes within the government while my nanites do their job and infect the entire plant...

    my collective rises...and no one even notices...
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Since the Op didn't say. ill assume they are not a warp capable planet or else Starfleet would be Brown Nosing them and make a take over diffacult.

    so just go in cloaked and start beaming out sections of their ships hull. decompression of the ships kills the crews, ship yard pretty much same unless they have decent cargo vessels or repair yards capable of refit. in which case we jam comms and take the ship yard. now with all ships destroyed once shipyard is cleared out we move on the planet that is now wondering what the heck is going on.

    we could just star beaming out political leaders but my warriors want to see some blood on their blades so we beam in teams to kill the leaders of any and or all of the planets governmental offices one at a time since my B'rel only has a crew of 30. all while the ship is cloaked and hovering above the target watching for any reinforcements that may try and approach. and take care of them with the ships weaponry.

    now that that is done. i'm guessing we only wanted the resources since that's typical for Klingons.
    Since we have already demonstrated our might via the government we now contact the labor leaders of the planet. tell them they are next unless they start paying tribute. and we will leave a force to monitor their progress (but not tell them the new base is their Shipyard) and as long as tribute is paid we will not send enforcement troops to collect.

    Dispatch or leave a Fighter for the observation crew. set up a transporter on the shipyard mount a few turrets maybe a Torpedoe launcher and add the location to a freighters shipping list for pickup.

    but it seems while many do pay as directed some do not. I have to send DUTY OFFICERS on tribute enforcement mission almost daily.
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    wow, these are alot of good ideas. i seem to have alot to learn before i can take over a planet :(
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    2 solution :.
    -beam down Tovan khev/Slamek/Kurland (pick one, nobody deserve the 3 of them), and ask for surrender. It's too bright here ! Kurland here !

    You win. :D

    /thread
  • commandormaxwellcommandormaxwell Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Step 1 Destroy all orbital forces
    Step 2 Observe their medical technology
    Step 3 Create a slow acting virus that is not treatable by their medicine
    Step 3a Develop a cure
    Step 4 Unleash the virus and pose it as an epidemic
    Step 5 contact the leaders and tell them that if they surrender you will give them the cure
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Easy, starve them of supplies by disrupting their supply chains until they yield.
    Drop warp drive destabilizers, in a large berth around their system to knock any supply ships out of warp.
    Communications scramblers along side the warp drive destabilizers. To silence the enemy.
    Capture and impound the supply ships entering the destabilizing field.

    Lay a mine field, turrets and assimilators surrounding the planets orbit to deal with the 10 ships.

    Wait for their inevitable surrender.
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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    You might be able to force them to surrender (by bombardment) but with only 3000 troups there's no way you could keep the planet under your control.

    What would you do after capitulation? You would have to deploy troups all over the planet to take control over the administration and act as a police force. But a planet, even a small one, is much bigger than you think. Your troups would be spread so thin that they would be incredibly vulnerable to an attack. And since all the planet's weapons didn't just disappear they would soon drive your troups off the planet again.

    The question then is: why conquering a planet if you have no way to keep it?
  • valianttomevalianttome Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Well for starters. I would believe my Commanding Officers would be wiser to send more then one ship to secure a planet. Especially one with 10 times as many starships defending it as we are sending.

    What should happen is a 3 to 1 ratio. 30 of OUR starships should warp in and quickly handle the 10 ships in orbit. This gives us the ability to easily defeat the defenders and counter any counter-attack waiting for us. Numbers matter when it comes to war just as much as technology and training. The American Civil War should of taught you this.

    Once the Orbital Defenses (Starships and Defense Platforms) are disposed of. I would eliminate any low orbit defense platforms (its very likely a planet worried about intergalatic invaders would forsee some of the invaders infiltrating their planets atmosphere so youd see both High Orbit and Low Orbit defenses) in case I felt the need to deploy anyone to the ground, though this is highly unlikely.

    From here I would begin to target their infrastructure with planetary bombardment. Communications Hubs, Power Distribution Centers, Emergency Response Centers and so forth. I would want to cause as much panic and chaos for the military, the civilians and government as possible. This would overwhelm the leadership and prevent them from mounting a sufficient response.

    When I was sure the bombardment had been successful I would begin to target Military Installations and dug in positions they may have taken up. Effectively eliminating any sort of threat on the ground.

    I would then contact the civilian leadership on the planet or whomever was in charge and demand a swift and immediate surrender. And considering that a Galaxy Starship alone was considered enough to slag a planet. 30 Starships with torpedoes, cannons, dual beam banks and arrays would be more then overkill. I seriously doubt anyone in their right minds would refuse to surrender. And if they did I would begin to selectively destroy government buildings and locations until I came across someone intelligent enough to see things my way.

    I would honestly have no need to put any sort of boots on the ground. I would fully expect the government that was surrendering to get their own people under heel if there was anything on the planet my superiors were in need of. And even if I had to put people on the ground they would have atleast one Starship targeting their position in case the locals got restless. Simply beaming my people out before slagging the location to make an example of them.

    If the Planet itself was of no real use to us and only the planets location on the intergalactic level of things. That would make things even far more easier for me and my Fleet. After eliminating the locals ability to reach out and harm us. We'd build ourselves the Starbases, Research Facilities and Drydocks that we needed and intended to build there and leave a few starships in orbit to remind the locals not to test us.

    I think the biggest flaw in your scenario is the 10 on 1 odds. I think you take the video game too seriously. Our characters in game are invincible and so face odds that in all reality we wouldnt be able to face let alone succeed against. If my Commanding Officers were to order me to take my sole ship against 10 other ships to secure a planet Id tell them to 'Go to ****'.
  • myko9myko9 Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I'd fit the biggest photonic generators I could find and turn the entire planet into a giant holdeck. You wouldn't know what was real and what wasn't.

    The Son'a almost managed it with a holodeck ship, the Hirogen did similar on Voyager and photonic technology has come on a lot since then in STO.
  • valianttomevalianttome Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    Stage I: Observation. Get to know the people in power, their opposition, where the military has bases, where the people come the most et cetera. All done from a cloaked Warbird.

    Stage II: Infiltration. Surgically alter some hand-picked officers to look just like the dominant species on the planet.

    Stage III: Unrest. Use infiltrators for terrorist attacks, make sure opposition and government blame each other.

    Stage IV: Arm opposition.

    Stage V: Await civil war, keep supporting whoever is loosing.

    Stage VI: Have infiltrators sabotage shipyard.

    Stage VII: Decloak and destroy orbital defenses (what is left of them at the time).

    Stage VIII: Demand whatever is left of armed forces to surrender, begin orbital bombardments on individuals resisting and beaming up soldiers to spots 200 meters above planet surface.

    Stage IX: Bombard cities in case they have not surrendered yet.

    Stage X: Crown myself Emperor of Rahmopia Planitia.

    This would require years of effort. A lot more than I think you realize it would take.
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    First, I'd insert my ship into a concealed orbit and spend half a year monitoring the various commercial E/M broadcasts. Next, I use my ship's computers to access the planet's Internet. Once I had a feel for what the planet's populace liked and wanted more of, I'd make myself and my crew known to a select few members of the planet's entertainment community. Who would be sworn to secrecy about my ship and crew. Probably have to off one or two to demonstrate to the rest how serious I was about the secrecy part.

    We would then take over the minds of the people by ruthlessly manipulating the popular media and culture. All of this would lead to a crisis deliberately fostered and manufactured by my cabal. A crisis which only myself and my crew could save the planet from. At the choicest possible moment, when the crisis was at its height and the survival of the race appeared to be at stake, I would reveal myself and my crew. We would offer to solve the crisis. For a price.

    After the takeover, all members of the cabal among the populace would be ruthlessly and publicly purged. After all, they've already proven they cannot be trusted. Blaming them as the cause of the crisis would be bonus. Grateful for someone to blame for the current state they find themselves in, the populace would never turn on my crew. To ensure this we would continue to manipulate the pop culture and the media to always portray us as the liberators we are. Needs to be lots of bread and circuses as well.

    And Bob's your Uncle.


    A man after my own heart

    Of course, if I just wanted the planets resources and to heck with the populace...

    1. find a region on the planet where magma is close to the surface (say a large supervolcano)

    2. find a mud pot/geyser nearby

    3. launch in slow succession two or three bunker buster equipped photon torpedos

    4. Watch newly erupted supervolcano spew billons/trillions of gallons of lava into the air; sending the planet into a minor ice age - particlate matter in turn interfering with any kind of travel (even transporters due to signal diffusion) - combined with the lack of sunlight, extreme cold and the lack of food (assuming they have stopped using hydroponics), a colony would soon fail

    5. Eventually offer help... at a cost of precious (but not as precious as heat/light/food) resources to mine/gather


    Note: I proposed this way of killing in a 'how many nukes would it take to kill humanity' thread on /k/ so if it sounds similar, thats why
  • ragingloliragingloli Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    0. Destroy all space based defences, like stations and ships.
    1. Destroy all satellites and deep-sea telekom lines to disrupt planetary communication.
    2. Destroy all planetary defences that could offend my space based forces.
    3. Destroy all airforce bases.
    4. Destroy all military bases.
    5. Destroy the power grid.
    6. Destroy transport infrastructure.
    (0 to 6 are done all from orbit).
    7. Deploy ground troops directly to major population centres, capitals, and backup locations for planetary governments.
    8. Deploy localised dampening fields to disable enemy energy weapons.
    9. Establish an orbital surveillance/sensor satellite network.
    10. Mop up the rest. Locate and destroy pockets of resistance.
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    just a small discussion i had with a fellow in chat, and i found it so interesting i decided to make a thread about it, since hearing how other people would go about it would make for interesting reading material :D

    keep in mind all the "federation does not invade" is irrelevant here

    ok so here goes:
    the scenario
    you are going to invade a small planet, on your own
    your resources
    your ship ONLY! no fleet support (carrier pets counts as your ship so you can bring them too)
    the opposition
    a single shipyard. defencive fleet of 10 ships of different classes. a population of 10 million people on the planet (atleast 1 million of which are soldiers stationed around the planet)
    your objective
    takeover. either force the government to surrender, or fight the population until they cannot fight you anymore.

    so here's what i'd do: i'd bring my Dominion dreadnought, outfit it with a skeleton crew of 500, leaving room for 3.000 troops for invading the planet. i'd go in and use the dreadnoughts overwhelming firepower and the four attack ships i have in my hanger to obliterate the enemy fleet and the shipyard, then i'd orbital bombard any major military installations/air fields/ artillery installations, and anything i can't bombard, i'd send my troops to take out, then i'd lay siege to the capital and wait for the government to surrender on their own.

    now the real question: what would you do?

    Warp in and hail the leaders of the planetary government.
    Assuming they do not just shoot first and ask questions later. I beam down and begin negotiating with those leaders on the benefits of joining the Federation.
    I have my medical teams show our superior medicines
    Our engineers work to normalize their power issues.
    And let their military tour the ship so they can see how badly they would lose if we fought.
    When they suggest they might be able to handle things on their own I let them have records of the Klingon empire and borg invasions. And remind them.
    "We are the line they cannot cross."

    Now if I was a Klingon.
    Come in under cloak till I was near their fleet yards.
    Decloak opening fire on their communication gear to ensure panic among the sheep.
    Turn disruptors to dismiss the pitiful fighters they send to ward us off then cloak before engaging the defending ships.
    Once they are expanding clouds of vapour heralding our coming we get into standard orbit and beam down away teams with Bat'leths to take the rulling body by force of arms.
    Before they are executed, let them know they fell to a B'rel.

    If I was a Romulan.
    Warp in and hail a greeting.
    Fend off the pirates that had been suddenly plaguing them for them.
    Go to talk with their leaders.
    Tal shiar attacks and I have to beam out to chase them away but not before the planet is thalaron bombarded.
    Put the incident down as Situation normal, negotiations indeterminate. . . again.

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  • deadspacex64deadspacex64 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    ship doesn't matter so much as crew, so let's say a bort.

    1., find a disenfranchised faction (or create one) of the population and promote rebellion through proxies
    2. offer my services to the threatened government to quell the rebellion i'm also partially funding (replicators baby)

    3. sell sell sell to both sides until i control most of the money on the planet

    4. wait a bit for all sides to be worn down to nubs

    5. move in and take over. at this point i've become a fixture, people owe too much, rely too much on what i've provided to resist.

    alternately, bioengineer a plague...and hold ransom the vaccine until they give me the planet.
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  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Hahaha.
    You do not take over a planet . There is nothing there. Take the orbitals, take the ressource belts. aseize infrastructure in space.

    Invading and pacifiying billions of people is TRIBBLE. You do not need them or their pl
    anet.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,163 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Beam down Tovan Khev, come back in 5 days.
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