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Someone thread-necroed the Chancellor the other day...

generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Klingon Discussion
And I got me to thinking about it a bit. Take Vesta stats, put them on a Vor'cha model, boom, aren't you like 75% of the way there? Give it a T6 uplift if necessary, and I think you would end up with something many KDF players have wanted for a while.

Just thinking out loud.

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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Make it science focused (as in a proper science ship) and I'll buy it like it's a limited edition copy of Bungie Halo Legendary Edition, numbered only 2,000 worldwide. :D
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  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    majesticmsfc wrote: »
    Make it science focused (as in a proper science ship) and I'll buy it like it's a limited edition copy of Bungie Halo Legendary Edition, numbered only 2,000 worldwide. :D

    That's why I suggested basing its stats off the Vesta. Less time reinventing the wheel, and all that.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Someone actually dug it up? Yikes.
    And I believe it's not even the most recent one on that ship that I made....
  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Well it's still a fine idea for a ship, the guy's only fault was posting it in a thread that was older than bad gagh.
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  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Tac Vesta stats one would assume of course, and in the current era upgraded to T6 levels

    It would be an elequent and relatively simple solution to A getting a fan liked and cannon-looking design ingame while giving the KDF a science ship they desperately need.
  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I was figuring offer all three versions, but yeah. IDK, do Vesta captains use anything besides the TAC version?

    And yes, while I'm thinking of it, Aux Disruptors, in Beam Array, DBB, DHC and turret flavors. Go back and fill the phasers in with any missing types from that list while we're at it, too.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    generator88 wrote: »
    And I got me to thinking about it a bit. Take Vesta stats, put them on a Vor'cha model, boom, aren't you like 75% of the way there? Give it a T6 uplift if necessary, and I think you would end up with something many KDF players have wanted for a while.

    Just thinking out loud.

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    Little problem. Cryptic would have to negotiate with Pocket Books for the rights to the design since it turned up on their cover art.

    I'm not saying it can't happen, just giving you a reality check that it may not be that easy.
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  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    starswordc wrote: »
    Little problem. Cryptic would have to negotiate with Pocket Books for the rights to the design since it turned up on their cover art.

    I'm not saying it can't happen, just giving you a reality check that it may not be that easy.

    Fair point. I hadn't even really thought about it from the rights angle. I was just sort of thinking out loud to the effect of, if they said "go", how could it be implemented. I try to keep my expectations to a minimum. :)

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  • admiraltrappittadmiraltrappitt Member Posts: 444 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    starswordc wrote: »
    Little problem. Cryptic would have to negotiate with Pocket Books for the rights to the design since it turned up on their cover art.

    I'm not saying it can't happen, just giving you a reality check that it may not be that easy.

    Forgive me for this, as I'm not the most knowledged on IP rights, but the Vor'Cha was in TNG, wasn't it? Doesn't that mean the CBS (and by extention STO) has the rights, not Pocket Books?
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  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    the Vor'cha is under paramount/cbs yes, the chancellor is a different design based on the Vor'cha though, the specific design would lie with pocket books.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    admiraltrappitt wrote: »
    Forgive me for this, as I'm not the most knowledged on IP rights, but the Vor'Cha was in TNG, wasn't it? Doesn't that mean the CBS (and by extention STO) has the rights, not Pocket Books?
    The rights are sufficiently complicated to the extent that simple solutions to this matter are not possible. They had to do a lot of work to be able to put the Vesta in the game.

    From a cost/benefit pov it would just be easier for Cryptic to make a new design in-house. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just wouldn't hold my breath over it happening.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    starswordc wrote: »
    Little problem. Cryptic would have to negotiate with Pocket Books for the rights to the design since it turned up on their cover art.

    I'm not saying it can't happen, just giving you a reality check that it may not be that easy.

    The IKS Gorkon is actually mentioned in "The Path to 2409".
    So it's fairly certain they already have the right to it.
    Otherwise it would also not make sense that the name IKS Gorkon is locked for Klingon players in the same way USS Enterprise is locked for Federation players.;)
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    I looked at the cover art, isn't the only difference between this and the Vor'cha the mission pod?
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    I looked at the cover art, isn't the only difference between this and the Vor'cha the mission pod?

    Yea....no.
    There were schematics and extensive stats and a bridge plan of the ship in the novel where it was introduced ("The Brave and the Bold" book 2)
    The schematics look like this:

    http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img14/7733/qangschem.jpg

    Which means it still resembles the Vor'cha but is actually bulkier overall.
    For some reason I can't fathom the ship on the cover of the first IKS Gorkon novel series looks quite different from the schematics.:confused:
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Yea....no.
    There were schematics and extensive stats and a bridge plan of the ship in the novel where it was introduced ("The Brave and the Bold" book 2)
    The schematics look like this:

    http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img14/7733/qangschem.jpg

    Which means it still resembles the Vor'cha but is actually bulkier overall.
    For some reason I can't fathom the ship on the cover of the first IKS Gorkon novel series looks quite different from the schematics.:confused:

    I don't think I like it, but it is different enough to make a new ship from, I'd just use the Vor'Cha hull on it if I got one.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    generator88 wrote: »
    I was figuring offer all three versions, but yeah. IDK, do Vesta captains use anything besides the TAC version?

    And yes, while I'm thinking of it, Aux Disruptors, in Beam Array, DBB, DHC and turret flavors. Go back and fill the phasers in with any missing types from that list while we're at it, too.

    Make it a Vorcha T6 pack, with the iconic Vorcha as a Tactical version, make a engineering version with a new skin and a science with a new skin. As long as one is a dedicated science ship I would be happy. Might even make me fork out for the lower tier Vorcha ship (Captain level I think it is) just for some more cosmetic options.
    stofsk wrote: »
    The rights are sufficiently complicated to the extent that simple solutions to this matter are not possible. They had to do a lot of work to be able to put the Vesta in the game.

    From a cost/benefit pov it would just be easier for Cryptic to make a new design in-house. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just wouldn't hold my breath over it happening.

    It might be easier to make their own design, should be too hard to come up with something that clearly shows it's origins coming from the Vorcha. ;)
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    I don't think I like it, but it is different enough to make a new ship from, I'd just use the Vor'Cha hull on it if I got one.

    When I saw it for the first time my initial thought was "what the heck is that?!" so I know what you mean.:D
    But after seeing some horrid schematics of the Vor'cha and Galaxy classes I think it's the low quality of the schematics that's a primary source of the problem. They were probably drawn from the ground up to only be viewed on a tiny book-page and therefore lack detail, curvature, finesse and whatnot.
    A good modeler could probably make the ship more round, elegant and, for lack of a better term, whole.
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