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Fail Conditions in Advanced are still too nasty
starfallarmada
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Please for the love of god can we please cool it with the frekin fail conditions in Advanced STF's!? Ive gotten early fails in five Borg STF's in a row. If this were elite I could understand, but in advanced, which is still the best way to get Neural processors, this NEEDS to end. Please, before enjoyments with the que system is further degraded beyond its already destroyed state
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It seems that for you, advanced is no longer the best way to get BNP's.
SCM - Hive (S) - [02:31] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 30.62M(204.66K) - Fed Sci
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Did you cause the failure?
If yes, then stop...find somebody to help you understand the STF, with your piloting, your build - so you can better contribute to a chance at success rather than causing failure.
If no, then don't you wish those folks would stop...find somebody to help them understand the STF, with their piloting, their build - so they could better contribute to a chance at success rather than causing failure.
Can kind of see where I'm pointing fingers there...yeah?
But it sounds like you're actually pointing the fingers at the same folks there...that if they knew a bit more, built a bit better, or flew a bit better...there would be no problem in the least just blowing through them and getting your stuff, yeah?
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Trolls get little end reward, weaksauce player(s) get little end reward, etc.
Trolls are virtually impossible to prevent but, weaksauce player(s) can be prevented, as long as they are willing to up their own game.
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but still that's me. I got specific friends and channels I go to to prevent those fails.
if you need bnps, go to defera and do the hard and dailies
2. Play Normal if you can't handle Advanced.
3. If entering a mission you know you can't handle and hoping a bunch of randoms can carry you is your idea of best way to do anything, you deserve to fail. If you want to be carried, get a private queue with a team that's OK with it. In a PUG, expect to pull your own weight.
And, if you pull your own weight + the weight of other's and, they cause the fail, what than?
What is your they should run normal or, pull their own weight excuse for this one?
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For example, knowing the different tactics for Azure Nebula Rescue Normal vs Advanced.
The optional objective in both is to free 3 Romulan ships in under 3 minutes. I recommend that you go after the low value ships, 1's & 2's, before any others. While in Normal, you can ignore this & fail the optional objective & yet still win the mission, while in Advanced, you must successfully complete the optional or else you fail the mission entirely, so therefore I highly recommend that everyone go after only the lowest value ships before any others. Additionally, I recommend splitting off into 2 groups, 1 group of the 2 strongest ships & 1 group of the rest. This way you will almost be 100% assured of successfully completing the optional in Advanced.
I rarely see this happen, where the team actually coordinates & works together. Thus many failures.
If players bothered to do just a little preliminary coordination then you'd win more often.
Now, that being said, some players that can do lots of damage very quickly, like myself, can take on 1's & 2's by themselves & have no problems defeating the Tholians in a timely fashion. In this case, the team can split into 3 groups & defeat the Tholians & free ships even quicker. However, this situation is very rare.
Now, I heard that the Borg Advanced stf's got nerfed to the point of being impossible to win. I have not attempted any of these since the most recent patch, so I may need to adjust my tactics.
So, the point is that if you've never attempted Advanced, then please do all of us a favor & educate yourself BEFORE jumping in.
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When DR came out, the borg stfs changed. They required tactics and suddenly tanks and crowd controllers got useful again. People had to use tactics, even the raw dspers have to use tactics now.
Still though the high dspers can do this with a raw damage strategy, but gone are the days where 1 or 2 dspers can carry the entire team.
Although they're not impossible to do, they can easily fail if a team gets sloppy
Nah, they aren't impossible. They are not cruise in and get the schwag using Mk X white gear anymore though. Remember when they came out a Mk XII VR loadout would take you months if not over a year to get. Since Mk XII VR is now becoming basic equipment, folks should plan on having to put some effort into UPGRADING again.
Pre DR I used to PUG ISE a few times a week, pull my 15k and yawn. After DR and the gnashing of teeth over the meanie borg not being little bunnies we can kick in the head for fun anymore I went back to doing normal while I rebuilt my ship. Active upgrading took me a couple of weeks. Big difference from the months it took back in the olden days.
I have been pugging ISA again for about 3 days now. Succeeding a lot more than failing. I'm flying a T5U FA or a Presidio. The FA is still a tick better on DPS but both are solidly in the mid 20's. So 25k is the new 15k.
Oh yeah, and when pugging. Don't do it at US prime time. For some reasons my fellow Americans are the friggin' worst at thinking they can go in with their T4/5nonU rattle traps and DESERVE! to be handed a victory based on their special snowflakeness.
TL;DR - Advanced has gotten harder. UPGRADE your equipment. You can't win ISA in a ship that barely got you through ISE. Be glad you get anything for a failure. YOU FAILED. They gave you a smaller trophy for showing up.