Ten bucks it gets the T6 Intrepid treatment, but with a Command seat, as in...
CMD Eng
LTC Eng
Lt Sci/Command (Intrepid has a Lt Eng/Intel)
Lt Tac
Lt Universal (Replaces old Ens Eng)
Probable 5 Eng/3 Sci/2 Tac console layout, gains 1 Tac Console when upgraded to Fleet (Intel ships, including Dauntless, Intrepid, and Guardian are still not at Fleet level)
No idea what the new console is going to be. Possible Deflector Beam from Best of Both Worlds?
I'm hoping there's a suitably awesome trait included.
The console layout following the Pathfinder template would be 4 eng/3 sci/ 3tac since the 5th engineering console is the fleet console, the third tac is the T6 one. This is different with the Intrepid, hence the 5th sci on the pathfinder.
Also, the hybrid seat will be the Tac de to heavier sci leaning of the original ship (4/3/2).
Other than that I would be happy with it
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Ten bucks it gets the T6 Intrepid treatment, but with a Command seat, as in...
CMD Eng
LTC Eng
Lt Sci/Command (Intrepid has a Lt Eng/Intel)
Lt Tac
Lt Universal (Replaces old Ens Eng)
Probable 5 Eng/3 Sci/2 Tac console layout, gains 1 Tac Console when upgraded to Fleet (Intel ships, including Dauntless, Intrepid, and Guardian are still not at Fleet level)
No idea what the new console is going to be. Possible Deflector Beam from Best of Both Worlds?
I'm hoping there's a suitably awesome trait included.
I honestly think it would be either like said a Ltc. tactical or Ltc. science seat, with a Lt. Engeering seat in place of the Sci or tact Lt. seat. Though to me with how the Galaxy was portrayed it should be even more flexible, and versitile than even that layout would be. As such make it have a Configuration system (Aka Dyson ships)that when it shifts configurations it switches one of the Lt. seats into the Ltc. seat while in that configuration allowing you to shift into a more dynamic playstyle possibly. Also thru this configuration system when you go into one of the configurations you unlock/activate a otherwise deactivated system, like the lance weapon emitter for the Tactical configuration, and then a secondary deflector or similar science oriented system while in the science cconfiguration.
Also this might sound weird but i would not mind if the T-6 exploration cruiser or just T-6 cruiser being a 3 or more pack, with each ship in the pack being a updated model of the prior cruisers. THough each of them would only use the cruiser parts that are for their type, Ie the galaaxy would only be able to use Galaxy parts, the heavy cruiser would only use the heavy cruiser, so on and so forth. This would allow them to get all fo the older ships updated an keep alot of interest in the pack from amny people that like a veriety of the ships.
Edit: edited to be more focused and clear, while adding abit.
The console layout following the Pathfinder template would be 4 eng/3 sci/ 3tac since the 5th engineering console is the fleet console, the third tac is the T6 one. This is different with the Intrepid, hence the 5th sci on the pathfinder.
Also, the hybrid seat will be the Tac de to heavier sci leaning of the original ship (4/3/2).
Other than that I would be happy with it
Except the Pathfinder is 5 Sci, 3 Eng, 2 Tac.
Which would make the T6 Galaxy 5 Eng, 3 Sci, 2 Tac. Or swap the Tac and Sci, regardless, there will be 5 Eng Consoles
And the T6 Defiant will be coming too, guess what it's going to be?
Cmd Tac
LTC Tac
Lt Sci/Pilot (Probably)
Lt Eng
Lt Uni (Replaces Ens Tac)
I honestly think it would be either like said a Ltc. tactical or Ltc. science seat, with a Lt. Engeering seat in place of the Sci or tact Lt. seat. Though to me with how the Galaxy was portrayed it should be even more flexible, and versitile than even that layout would be. As such make it have a Configuration system (Aka Dyson ships)that when it shifts configurations it switches one of the Lt. seats into the Ltc. seat while in that configuration allowing you to shift into a more dynamic playstyle possibly. Also thru this configuration system when you go into one of the configurations you unlock/activate a otherwise deactivated system, like the lance weapon emitter for the Tactical configuration, and then a secondary deflector or similar science oriented system while in the science cconfiguration.
Also this might sound weird but i would not mind if the T-6 exploration cruiser or just T-6 cruiser being a 3 or more pack, with each ship in the pack being a updated model of the prior cruisers. THough each of them would only use the cruiser parts that are for their type, Ie the galaaxy would only be able to use Galaxy parts, the heavy cruiser would only use the heavy cruiser, so on and so forth. This would allow them to get all fo the older ships updated an keep alot of interest in the pack from amny people that like a veriety of the ships.
Edit: edited to be more focused and clear, while adding abit.
You really, really do not want Cryptic to be throwing out 3 pack after 3 pack after 3 pack...
Which would make the T6 Galaxy 5 Eng, 3 Sci, 2 Tac. Or swap the Tac and Sci, regardless, there will be 5 Eng Consoles
And the T6 Defiant will be coming too, guess what it's going to be?
Cmd Tac
LTC Tac
Lt Sci/Pilot (Probably)
Lt Eng
Lt Uni (Replaces Ens Tac)
5 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci, probably.
No, it will be 4/3/3.
The Pathfinder is based on the Intrepid. The Intrepid Retrofit got 3 Eng, 4 Sci and 2 Tac. The Fleet Intrepid got 3 Eng, 4 Sci and 3 Tac - for some reason it was treated differently than the Galaxy and Defiant, both of which got a fifth Eng/Tac console at fleet level. The T6 Intrepid (T5U upgrade) gets a fifth Sci console. The baseline for the Pathfinder is the non-fleet T5U Retrofit. This is why the Pathfinder sports 3/5/2. The Galaxy however got a fifth Eng at fleet level, it's T6 console is a third Tac. The Defiant got a third Sci console with it's T6/T5U upgrade, the fifth Tac is the fleet console.
If the command cruisers are any indication that they abandon the idea of fleet T6 ships then the Exploration Cruiser will have 5/3/3 and the Tactical Escort 3/3/5 and they had to retroactively grant the Pathfinder a 3/5/3 layout.
Mind you, they could of course change the rules, it's Cryptic after all. But if we assume that they apply a little bit of consistensy to their own rules it'll be as I outlined above.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
and thats the console setup you would get if you used a tier 5U token on a non fleet intrepid R, so its the same on the tier 6. the fleet extra console is a tac console for the intrepid, weather it be tier 5 or tier 6.
Which would make the T6 Galaxy 5 Eng, 3 Sci, 2 Tac. Or swap the Tac and Sci, regardless, there will be 5 Eng Consoles
the tier5U extra console for the galaxy R is a 3rd tac, so it will be a 3rd tac on the tier 6 as well, with an eventual fleet version giving it a 5th eng, just like on the fleet tier 5 galaxy.
And the T6 Defiant will be coming too, guess what it's going to be?
Cmd Tac
LTC Tac
Lt Sci/Pilot (Probably)
Lt Eng
Lt Uni (Replaces Ens Tac)
5 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci, probably.
fleet defiant got a 5 tac, so a tier 6 defiant will actually have only 4 tac consoles when it comes out, ouch.
the fleet galaxy will have a hybrid on its tac station, not sci. it couldn't be sci, because the intrepid already claimed a hybrid eng, so all that would be left is a hybrid sci for the tier 6 defiant. it doesn't have a LT tac the hybrid could possibly be on, like the galaxy does.
now that there are 3 specializations, they should go back and buff the pathfinder, and launch the galaxy and defiant with 2 different LT hybrids.
You really, really do not want Cryptic to be throwing out 3 pack after 3 pack after 3 pack...
Not sure on that for me atleast. I have the money to spare for buying a tri-pack, since for the most part i get more use oout of a tri-pack of ships, than i do out of a single ship buy. In all honesty i spend the same amoutn for a tri-pack as i do for buying three ships sperately almost, so i see doing the packs more benefial. An i am willing to pay the money to support the game an designs i like, also trying to fix/push too much into a single ship can be more of an issue than just spreading that out into three ships or more.
No. I think (if any galaxy update happens) its because someone noticed that since EVEN BEFORE the official release of the game people already got VERY anal about the HORRIBLE job they did on the first galaxy in the game. That thing was horrible looking, BROKEN in terms of broken model AND GIMPED by stats. By fixing it now, money is to be made and t6 gives the man opportunity to sell it again. Now they only have to manage to not fck it up horribly, like that last "revamp" they did.
This is after the first fixing, where they made sure the neck would not stick out over the saucer like some broken animals spine.
DO you see that monstrosity?! That is YEARS after bridge commander modding gave us high poly and high quality models. Someone got PAID to create that.
Then the travesty conga continued:
Galaxy, intrepid, defiant were made t4 ships.
They not only skimped on delivering decent ship models, they also for some asinine reason thought that putting the FREAKING iconic ship into the "yes this is garbage soon" tier was a good idea.
It was the same on the klingon side: They had no t5 vorcha, and the neghvar sucked as much as the galaxy except not since it at the very least could fit dual heavy's without breaking immersion and was agile enough to use them in pve.
There was a risk of the D'deridex getting the same treatment, but saner minds saved it from the scrap heap. Sure its totally overshadowed b the scimitar, but that's because the scim is brokenly op,. not because the D'deridex is bad.
Then, to add insult o injury they started that TRIBBLE referral program that gave out a galaxy X - a popular modification of the galaxy. Forum rage ensued and they later sold it in the c store - for profit i assume judging by how many of them popped up back then and are still around.
As the game grew older and the ship design ethos cryptic gave as the reason why the galaxy is the way it is took a leap off the cliff, the ship never has gotten an update along with all the other "old ships" to bring it up to par.
The simple fact is: i and my friends came to STO to cart around in our favorite icons. We did not com here for weirdly shaped shovel ships.
My friends have all left in the first 3 months, where cryptic flat out ignored to even acknowledge all the broken things on our favorite ships.
Making an honest and high quality (both in model and skin and in stats) update to the iconic ships, as was done with the intrepid, has more revenue potential than continuing shoveling out weirdly shaped shovel ships no one gives a futz about.
The reason why the Galaxy was a T4 was that the most recent Enterprise was the Sovereign class. They were looking at it on a timeline. Was it the best choice? No, but that was the direction ot took. If you like beam arrays it wasnt a bad T4, the problem was those who wanted to mount DBB and single cannons on it.
I really believe they were trying to push the timeline forward by only having one canon ship at endgame level and introing new designs to be futuristic ( but they did fail). While that was a mistake, it was more due to thier lack of creativity and endgam ship development than an intentional snub at players.
As far as shovelships are concerned, its a take off of the Sovy and Intrepid. The difference to these idea of the shovel designs is no less Trek than when TNG came out with the oval saucer on the Galaxy, away from the circles of TOS.
However, I don't think the Intel thing fits with a GCS. It's not small, sneaky, or stealthy. It's big, powerful, and carries a presence. Perfect for a command ship. Putting a GCS in a certain area of space is like putting a CVN off the coast of a certain country. You want to send a message. That message is: Here I Am.
True, but the Guardian isn't a sneaky small and stealthy ship either.
Actually i would prefer a intel setup, instead of command for the GCS, since she's destined to operate alone without any backup. (and i just don't find command not very helpful for my playstyle )
But you're right in DS9 battles she was at the center of the battle so a command emphasis seems justified, too imo.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I just want a T6 version of this ship. Don't care if it's not the best performer since that doesn't matter as much to me. So if one comes out with Season 10 I'll be happy.
Yeah - no offense intended, honestly - but the 'I'd by it anyway' attitude could be exaclty why we might end up with a dud.
Hate to make compairisons to real-life purchases, but it's the same as the iphone. The phone 6s (or whatever) could be the biggest bag of nails Apple ever produced; but it wouldn't matter - people would buy it anyway (in fact, I suspect that Apple could put a TRIBBLE in a iphone shell and people would still buy it).
It creates a little effort for lots of profit scenario, and that shouldn't be encouraged.
Personally as long as I can kill things it's not a bad investment as long as it's fun to use. What is and is not a dud is personal opinion and what people consider important in their ship.
Yeah - no offense intended, honestly - but the 'I'd by it anyway' attitude could be exaclty why we might end up with a dud.
Hate to make compairisons to real-life purchases, but it's the same as the iphone. The phone 6s (or whatever) could be the biggest bag of nails Apple ever produced; but it wouldn't matter - people would buy it anyway (in fact, I suspect that Apple could put a TRIBBLE in a iphone shell and people would still buy it).
It creates a little effort for lots of profit scenario, and that shouldn't be encouraged.
But expectations about it are vastly different. There's one part of the crowd who wants a scimitar wear the Galaxy skin and they want it to be the best and most specialst ship of them all and call everything else nonsense. And there's the crowd that really doesn't care as much and doesn't project unrealistic expectations on it. And there's the crowd that really doesn't care and just wants the skin on a T6 ship.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Do you guys ever think that the T6 Galaxy is finally coming because they just really want about seven of us to shut the heck up about her and for us to go play the game?
And yes - I include myself in the 'seven'.
we are more than 7, not much more but still; i would said 50 by now.
granted some, like me, don't talk as much as others, but we still follow the thread.
in any case i don't think that if they do a t6 galaxy it will be directly link to our present threads on the forum.
a little bit like the "nerf" on intel power wasn't linked to pvper screaming it was OP and need an other pass, but more because with the new stf that are comming now the pveer will have to face them.
they couldn't care less that some pvper get one shot with full shield, full hull, and 50% resist with oss + ss.
but they can anticipate the wave of crys the forum will be hit with if the pveer have to face it:rolleyes:
cryptic proove us many time that they don't do things because people want it very much.
otherwise the galaxy retrofit would have it engie ensign transform into a universal by now.
it must be link to profits somehow.
that first, then players wishes
they redo the DD because people on the forum told them that if they don't, they will not buy it ( here it is a lack of profit )
many people want their favourite cannon ship to be translate to tier6, that the only things that can convince cryptic to redo these ship at tier 6, the potential moneygrabbing is huge.
we are star trek fan after all, not some generic sci fi fans.
now let see if there is, really, a t6 galaxy comming.
It might be Pilot Hybrid Commander instead of Command Hybrid. Attack Pattern Lambda doesn't make much sense for a Hybrid Tac, as it's not terribly competitive APB or APO, though it does start at lower ranks (ensign for rank I). Put it in an Engineering Hybrid slot on something without a lot of regular Tac spots and it's suddenly much more useful.
After playing with the full Pilot Primary Tree on Tribble, it's very useful on slower ships with giving a whopping +40% turnrate when maxed out. The new active ability 'Lone Wolf' you only want on a very tanky ship, as it aggros everything in 10 km, and only falls off when your ship does enough damage to the target, no more worrying about high damage escorts getting blown up because their guns give more threat than your [+th] consoles can make up for. Heck, the tooltip for it implies that you're best off not shooting at all. 'Lone Wolf' does not sound like an Escort thing at all.
On top of that, Pilot Primary Spec is the new shiny thing that they want people playing for, so it'd make sense for the new ships coming out after it's release to be Pilot based. Pilot Commander hybrid would certainly make it very tempting for me to purchase for my Feds, and then I'd have to play a bit more on them to get my Pilot Spec up.
It might be Pilot Hybrid Commander instead of Command Hybrid. Attack Pattern Lambda doesn't make much sense for a Hybrid Tac, as it's not terribly competitive APB or APO, though it does start at lower ranks (ensign for rank I). Put it in an Engineering Hybrid slot on something without a lot of regular Tac spots and it's suddenly much more useful.
After playing with the full Pilot Primary Tree on Tribble, it's very useful on slower ships with giving a whopping +40% turnrate when maxed out. The new active ability 'Lone Wolf' you only want on a very tanky ship, as it aggros everything in 10 km, and only falls off when your ship does enough damage to the target, no more worrying about high damage escorts getting blown up because their guns give more threat than your [+th] consoles can make up for. Heck, the tooltip for it implies that you're best off not shooting at all. 'Lone Wolf' does not sound like an Escort thing at all.
On top of that, Pilot Primary Spec is the new shiny thing that they want people playing for, so it'd make sense for the new ships coming out after it's release to be Pilot based. Pilot Commander hybrid would certainly make it very tempting for me to purchase for my Feds, and then I'd have to play a bit more on them to get my Pilot Spec up.
Well, i hope they release this new ship ready for my new delta recruit to use. Because al lother chars are married to other ships except one fed tac who is waiting for a kick TRIBBLE galaxy x....
It might be Pilot Hybrid Commander instead of Command Hybrid. Attack Pattern Lambda doesn't make much sense for a Hybrid Tac, as it's not terribly competitive APB or APO, though it does start at lower ranks (ensign for rank I). Put it in an Engineering Hybrid slot on something without a lot of regular Tac spots and it's suddenly much more useful.
After playing with the full Pilot Primary Tree on Tribble, it's very useful on slower ships with giving a whopping +40% turnrate when maxed out. The new active ability 'Lone Wolf' you only want on a very tanky ship, as it aggros everything in 10 km, and only falls off when your ship does enough damage to the target, no more worrying about high damage escorts getting blown up because their guns give more threat than your [+th] consoles can make up for. Heck, the tooltip for it implies that you're best off not shooting at all. 'Lone Wolf' does not sound like an Escort thing at all.
On top of that, Pilot Primary Spec is the new shiny thing that they want people playing for, so it'd make sense for the new ships coming out after it's release to be Pilot based. Pilot Commander hybrid would certainly make it very tempting for me to purchase for my Feds, and then I'd have to play a bit more on them to get my Pilot Spec up.
And what make you think a T6 Exploration Cruiser (already *existing* ship clas) would get a *commander* specialization seat? Why are people still think the Galaxy is something sooo special it does not reserve the same treatment as the Intrepid and Defiant (which it *always* did)?
The T6 Exploration Cruiser will be a T6 Exploration Cruiser - nothing more and nothing less. All those "Commander uni, Commander specialization" fantasies don't serve another purpose than to be severly disappointed in the end.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I expect the science seat will be a hybrid. Following the Pathfinder who's engineering seat is a hybrid.
It will be the tac following logic.
If the Exploration cruiser would have a sci hybrid the Defiant had to get a Tac hybrid - which doesn't make sense since it only has a CDR and LTC tac seat.
The Explorer will get a tac hybrid lt and the Defiant a sci hybrid lt.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Why are people still think the Galaxy is something sooo special it does not reserve the same treatment as the Intrepid and Defiant (which it *always* did)?
The T6 Exploration Cruiser will be a T6 Exploration Cruiser - nothing more and nothing less. All those "Commander uni, Commander specialization" fantasies don't serve another purpose than to be severly disappointed in the end.
Gotta agree here.
Cryptic generally follows a simple procedure when making new ships or updating ship classes, and that pattern has been established for the three hero ships of the TNG/DS9/VOY era. It's not that hard to see, honestly. The Intrepid getting a tac console at Fleet level was an exception to the rule of the ships representing Engi/Tac/Sci respectively, one that they retroactively fixed with the Pathfinder and T5-U.
That being said, I'm personally looking forward to a Pathfinder-esque layout for the Galaxy and Defiant.
That's not to say that said layout is certain, but given Cryptic's record, it's a supported guess. More so than Cryptic giving one of the trinity ships a Commander Universal hybrid Intel or the Galaxy-X a Commander Tac (which is another thing).
And what make you think a T6 Exploration Cruiser (already *existing* ship clas) would get a *commander* specialization seat? Why are people still think the Galaxy is something sooo special it does not reserve the same treatment as the Intrepid and Defiant (which it *always* did)?
The T6 Exploration Cruiser will be a T6 Exploration Cruiser - nothing more and nothing less. All those "Commander uni, Commander specialization" fantasies don't serve another purpose than to be severly disappointed in the end.
Just a guess, nothing more. If Cryptic wants it to sell to more than just the canon crowd, it'd have to be something different than the poor old BOff layout. Something will have to be coming to be able to slot the Pilot BOffs going up to Commander since they're already on the vendor on Tribble, and with only the Galaxy, Negh'Var and Xindi-Primate Ateleth Dreadnought being the current solid 'rumors' for upcoming ships it'd most likely be the C-Store ships that could slot Commander.
Personally, if the T6 Galaxy is not much more than the T5 I'd just pass on it and move on to other ships. I've already internalized that the Enterprise D (at least without being able to slot Worf at Tactical) is a lame duck in this game.
If the Exploration cruiser would have a sci hybrid the Defiant had to get a Tac hybrid - which doesn't make sense since it only has a CDR and LTC tac seat.
The Explorer will get a tac hybrid lt and the Defiant a sci hybrid lt.
And what make you think a T6 Exploration Cruiser (already *existing* ship clas) would get a *commander* specialization seat? Why are people still think the Galaxy is something sooo special it does not reserve the same treatment as the Intrepid and Defiant (which it *always* did)?
The T6 Exploration Cruiser will be a T6 Exploration Cruiser - nothing more and nothing less. All those "Commander uni, Commander specialization" fantasies don't serve another purpose than to be severly disappointed in the end.
Personally, I'm just after a modified pathfinder layout. It would be very usable, no major weaknesses, a very good power spread and variety. I've never wanted 'OP MarySuePrise', I just want 'usable and fun'. No builds relying on powers and consoles that are one patch from nerf and one annoyed dev from an exploit. No having 3 engineering ensigns on a constant cooldown because there aren't enough powers to slot.
Just a guess, nothing more. If Cryptic wants it to sell to more than just the canon crowd, it'd have to be something different than the poor old BOff layout. Something will have to be coming to be able to slot the Pilot BOffs going up to Commander since they're already on the vendor on Tribble, and with only the Galaxy, Negh'Var and Xindi-Primate Ateleth Dreadnought being the current solid 'rumors' for upcoming ships it'd most likely be the C-Store ships that could slot Commander.
Personally, if the T6 Galaxy is not much more than the T5 I'd just pass on it and move on to other ships. I've already internalized that the Enterprise D (at least without being able to slot Worf at Tactical) is a lame duck in this game.
you are right.
it all depend on cryptic plans for this hypothetical t6 galaxy.
if it got less than a lt commander hybrid or whatelse, then it mean that they don't want it to have the same potential sell as others new t6 ship, or to hold up on the sales ( creazy isn't it? )
but it would sound familiar to most of us.
but if it got more, that mean that they want it to have the same potential selling both to those who want cannon ship and those who don't care or just buy ship from it stats alone.
if there is really a t6 galaxy comming, we will clearly known what is cryptic intention with this ship when it will go out.
after almost 5 years of complain from player, a galaxy reboot and now a t6 galaxy, if we they can't come up with something good it would be clear, by that time, that they don't want to.
and i mean something "really" good, something that would make a non galaxy fan player said " hmm i like the stats on this ship, i could make some pretty interesting things with it"
and not just " ho, it an upgrade version of the tier5 galaxy ".... NEXT!
I bet they make the Galaxy hybrid seat Tac/Pilot. It makes perfect sense - now the ship is more maneuverable, therefore better in every way. Base turn rate is up from 6 to 8 with pilot abilities slotted. All the Eng/Sci seats stay the same as T5.
Cryptic presents: the T6 Galaxy!
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
I bet they make the Galaxy hybrid seat Tac/Pilot. It makes perfect sense - now the ship is more maneuverable, therefore better in every way. Base turn rate is up from 6 to 8 with pilot abilities slotted. All the Eng/Sci seats stay the same as T5.
Here's a post listing the pilot powers at the trainer on tribble. While the Galaxy should have a command, I would be quite pleased if she had a pilot hybrid seat.
Hold Together would be an amazing power for a tank.
you are right.
it all depend on cryptic plans for this hypothetical t6 galaxy.
if it got less than a lt commander hybrid or whatelse, then it mean that they don't want it to have the same potential sell as others new t6 ship, or to hold up on the sales ( creazy isn't it? )
but it would sound familiar to most of us.
but if it got more, that mean that they want it to have the same potential selling both to those who want cannon ship and those who don't care or just buy ship from it stats alone.
if there is really a t6 galaxy comming, we will clearly known what is cryptic intention with this ship when it will go out.
after almost 5 years of complain from player, a galaxy reboot and now a t6 galaxy, if we they can't come up with something good it would be clear, by that time, that they don't want to.
and i mean something "really" good, something that would make a non galaxy fan player said " hmm i like the stats on this ship, i could make some pretty interesting things with it"
and not just " ho, it an upgrade version of the tier5 galaxy ".... NEXT!
But why, why, why would they do that? Honestly?
The Exploration cruiser/ the Galaxy is just one ship in this game which already got special treatment due to it being a hero ship. It gets the exact same treatment as all the other ships. Yes, engineering abilities don't produce a lot of dps, but that doesn't mean that they "hate" this ship. This emotional nonsense has to go - the Galaxy is treated completely equal and absolutely logical in STO. The problem is not the ship, it's the gamedesign. The T6 Explorer will be an upgraded T5 Explorer and guess what - even the T5 Explorer gets played.
The three hero ships are completely identical mirrors of the trinity and they work exactly as intented within these limitations. That is not hate, it may be poor game design, but not hate. honestly. People. Stop that.
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The Exploration cruiser/ the Galaxy is just one ship in this game which already got special treatment due to it being a hero ship. It gets the exact same treatment as all the other ships. Yes, engineering abilities don't produce a lot of dps, but that doesn't mean that they "hate" this ship. This emotional nonsense has to go - the Galaxy is treated completely equal and absolutely logical in STO. The problem is not the ship, it's the gamedesign. The T6 Explorer will be an upgraded T5 Explorer and guess what - even the T5 Explorer gets played.
The three hero ships are completely identical mirrors of the trinity and they work exactly as intented within these limitations. That is not hate, it may be poor game design, but not hate. honestly. People. Stop that.
The Galaxy's biggest weakness isn't her layout - it's the fact that there are fewer engineering powers then tac/sci - and fewer 'effective' engineering powers at that. A power that is never used because it's always on cooldown from other powers being used is a horrible choice - and with the Galaxy's ens and lt stations - you can't avoid something ALWAYS being on cooldown.
That's bad design. I'm not saying it was intended to hurt the Galaxy - but it is. Of the trinity - the Intrepid and Defiant were both effective with their layouts because there are LOTS of powers, and a great deal of them are effective. Have a spare Science station? Polarize hull - even at rank 1 is amazing. Spare tac station? Who doesn't cycle two tac teams in an escort (if you aren't doffed into it).
But expectations about it are vastly different. There's one part of the crowd who wants a scimitar wear the Galaxy skin and they want it to be the best and most specialst ship of them all and call everything else nonsense. And there's the crowd that really doesn't care as much and doesn't project unrealistic expectations on it. And there's the crowd that really doesn't care and just wants the skin on a T6 ship.
Thats the way I see it too, Targ. Personally, I wish they had tied it in with the Guardian, maybe they still will (alaVenture class and skins of FT6).
The Galaxy's biggest weakness isn't her layout - it's the fact that there are fewer engineering powers then tac/sci - and fewer 'effective' engineering powers at that. A power that is never used because it's always on cooldown from other powers being used is a horrible choice - and with the Galaxy's ens and lt stations - you can't avoid something ALWAYS being on cooldown.
That's bad design. I'm not saying it was intended to hurt the Galaxy - but it is. Of the trinity - the Intrepid and Defiant were both effective with their layouts because there are LOTS of powers, and a great deal of them are effective. Have a spare Science station? Polarize hull - even at rank 1 is amazing. Spare tac station? Who doesn't cycle two tac teams in an escort (if you aren't doffed into it).
Ive been arguing that point ever since people were complaining about the galaxies layout. Sadly I dont see engie skills getting a boost with the new skill classes coming out
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The console layout following the Pathfinder template would be 4 eng/3 sci/ 3tac since the 5th engineering console is the fleet console, the third tac is the T6 one. This is different with the Intrepid, hence the 5th sci on the pathfinder.
Also, the hybrid seat will be the Tac de to heavier sci leaning of the original ship (4/3/2).
Other than that I would be happy with it
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I honestly think it would be either like said a Ltc. tactical or Ltc. science seat, with a Lt. Engeering seat in place of the Sci or tact Lt. seat. Though to me with how the Galaxy was portrayed it should be even more flexible, and versitile than even that layout would be. As such make it have a Configuration system (Aka Dyson ships)that when it shifts configurations it switches one of the Lt. seats into the Ltc. seat while in that configuration allowing you to shift into a more dynamic playstyle possibly. Also thru this configuration system when you go into one of the configurations you unlock/activate a otherwise deactivated system, like the lance weapon emitter for the Tactical configuration, and then a secondary deflector or similar science oriented system while in the science cconfiguration.
Also this might sound weird but i would not mind if the T-6 exploration cruiser or just T-6 cruiser being a 3 or more pack, with each ship in the pack being a updated model of the prior cruisers. THough each of them would only use the cruiser parts that are for their type, Ie the galaaxy would only be able to use Galaxy parts, the heavy cruiser would only use the heavy cruiser, so on and so forth. This would allow them to get all fo the older ships updated an keep alot of interest in the pack from amny people that like a veriety of the ships.
Edit: edited to be more focused and clear, while adding abit.
Except the Pathfinder is 5 Sci, 3 Eng, 2 Tac.
Which would make the T6 Galaxy 5 Eng, 3 Sci, 2 Tac. Or swap the Tac and Sci, regardless, there will be 5 Eng Consoles
And the T6 Defiant will be coming too, guess what it's going to be?
Cmd Tac
LTC Tac
Lt Sci/Pilot (Probably)
Lt Eng
Lt Uni (Replaces Ens Tac)
5 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci, probably.
You really, really do not want Cryptic to be throwing out 3 pack after 3 pack after 3 pack...
No, it will be 4/3/3.
The Pathfinder is based on the Intrepid. The Intrepid Retrofit got 3 Eng, 4 Sci and 2 Tac. The Fleet Intrepid got 3 Eng, 4 Sci and 3 Tac - for some reason it was treated differently than the Galaxy and Defiant, both of which got a fifth Eng/Tac console at fleet level. The T6 Intrepid (T5U upgrade) gets a fifth Sci console. The baseline for the Pathfinder is the non-fleet T5U Retrofit. This is why the Pathfinder sports 3/5/2. The Galaxy however got a fifth Eng at fleet level, it's T6 console is a third Tac. The Defiant got a third Sci console with it's T6/T5U upgrade, the fifth Tac is the fleet console.
If the command cruisers are any indication that they abandon the idea of fleet T6 ships then the Exploration Cruiser will have 5/3/3 and the Tactical Escort 3/3/5 and they had to retroactively grant the Pathfinder a 3/5/3 layout.
Mind you, they could of course change the rules, it's Cryptic after all. But if we assume that they apply a little bit of consistensy to their own rules it'll be as I outlined above.
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and thats the console setup you would get if you used a tier 5U token on a non fleet intrepid R, so its the same on the tier 6. the fleet extra console is a tac console for the intrepid, weather it be tier 5 or tier 6.
the tier5U extra console for the galaxy R is a 3rd tac, so it will be a 3rd tac on the tier 6 as well, with an eventual fleet version giving it a 5th eng, just like on the fleet tier 5 galaxy.
fleet defiant got a 5 tac, so a tier 6 defiant will actually have only 4 tac consoles when it comes out, ouch.
the fleet galaxy will have a hybrid on its tac station, not sci. it couldn't be sci, because the intrepid already claimed a hybrid eng, so all that would be left is a hybrid sci for the tier 6 defiant. it doesn't have a LT tac the hybrid could possibly be on, like the galaxy does.
now that there are 3 specializations, they should go back and buff the pathfinder, and launch the galaxy and defiant with 2 different LT hybrids.
intrepid: intel/command
galaxy:command/pilot
defiant:pilot/intel
probably makes the most sense
Not sure on that for me atleast. I have the money to spare for buying a tri-pack, since for the most part i get more use oout of a tri-pack of ships, than i do out of a single ship buy. In all honesty i spend the same amoutn for a tri-pack as i do for buying three ships sperately almost, so i see doing the packs more benefial. An i am willing to pay the money to support the game an designs i like, also trying to fix/push too much into a single ship can be more of an issue than just spreading that out into three ships or more.
The reason why the Galaxy was a T4 was that the most recent Enterprise was the Sovereign class. They were looking at it on a timeline. Was it the best choice? No, but that was the direction ot took. If you like beam arrays it wasnt a bad T4, the problem was those who wanted to mount DBB and single cannons on it.
I really believe they were trying to push the timeline forward by only having one canon ship at endgame level and introing new designs to be futuristic ( but they did fail). While that was a mistake, it was more due to thier lack of creativity and endgam ship development than an intentional snub at players.
As far as shovelships are concerned, its a take off of the Sovy and Intrepid. The difference to these idea of the shovel designs is no less Trek than when TNG came out with the oval saucer on the Galaxy, away from the circles of TOS.
(i just can't stand the guardian looks, so it's double a pity for me, lol)
True, but the Guardian isn't a sneaky small and stealthy ship either.
Actually i would prefer a intel setup, instead of command for the GCS, since she's destined to operate alone without any backup. (and i just don't find command not very helpful for my playstyle
But you're right in DS9 battles she was at the center of the battle so a command emphasis seems justified, too imo.
But expectations about it are vastly different. There's one part of the crowd who wants a scimitar wear the Galaxy skin and they want it to be the best and most specialst ship of them all and call everything else nonsense. And there's the crowd that really doesn't care as much and doesn't project unrealistic expectations on it. And there's the crowd that really doesn't care and just wants the skin on a T6 ship.
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we are more than 7, not much more but still; i would said 50 by now.
granted some, like me, don't talk as much as others, but we still follow the thread.
in any case i don't think that if they do a t6 galaxy it will be directly link to our present threads on the forum.
a little bit like the "nerf" on intel power wasn't linked to pvper screaming it was OP and need an other pass, but more because with the new stf that are comming now the pveer will have to face them.
they couldn't care less that some pvper get one shot with full shield, full hull, and 50% resist with oss + ss.
but they can anticipate the wave of crys the forum will be hit with if the pveer have to face it:rolleyes:
cryptic proove us many time that they don't do things because people want it very much.
otherwise the galaxy retrofit would have it engie ensign transform into a universal by now.
it must be link to profits somehow.
that first, then players wishes
they redo the DD because people on the forum told them that if they don't, they will not buy it ( here it is a lack of profit )
many people want their favourite cannon ship to be translate to tier6, that the only things that can convince cryptic to redo these ship at tier 6, the potential moneygrabbing is huge.
we are star trek fan after all, not some generic sci fi fans.
now let see if there is, really, a t6 galaxy comming.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
After playing with the full Pilot Primary Tree on Tribble, it's very useful on slower ships with giving a whopping +40% turnrate when maxed out. The new active ability 'Lone Wolf' you only want on a very tanky ship, as it aggros everything in 10 km, and only falls off when your ship does enough damage to the target, no more worrying about high damage escorts getting blown up because their guns give more threat than your [+th] consoles can make up for. Heck, the tooltip for it implies that you're best off not shooting at all. 'Lone Wolf' does not sound like an Escort thing at all.
On top of that, Pilot Primary Spec is the new shiny thing that they want people playing for, so it'd make sense for the new ships coming out after it's release to be Pilot based. Pilot Commander hybrid would certainly make it very tempting for me to purchase for my Feds, and then I'd have to play a bit more on them to get my Pilot Spec up.
Well, i hope they release this new ship ready for my new delta recruit to use. Because al lother chars are married to other ships except one fed tac who is waiting for a kick TRIBBLE galaxy x....
And what make you think a T6 Exploration Cruiser (already *existing* ship clas) would get a *commander* specialization seat? Why are people still think the Galaxy is something sooo special it does not reserve the same treatment as the Intrepid and Defiant (which it *always* did)?
The T6 Exploration Cruiser will be a T6 Exploration Cruiser - nothing more and nothing less. All those "Commander uni, Commander specialization" fantasies don't serve another purpose than to be severly disappointed in the end.
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It will be the tac following logic.
If the Exploration cruiser would have a sci hybrid the Defiant had to get a Tac hybrid - which doesn't make sense since it only has a CDR and LTC tac seat.
The Explorer will get a tac hybrid lt and the Defiant a sci hybrid lt.
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Gotta agree here.
Cryptic generally follows a simple procedure when making new ships or updating ship classes, and that pattern has been established for the three hero ships of the TNG/DS9/VOY era. It's not that hard to see, honestly. The Intrepid getting a tac console at Fleet level was an exception to the rule of the ships representing Engi/Tac/Sci respectively, one that they retroactively fixed with the Pathfinder and T5-U.
That being said, I'm personally looking forward to a Pathfinder-esque layout for the Galaxy and Defiant.
That's not to say that said layout is certain, but given Cryptic's record, it's a supported guess. More so than Cryptic giving one of the trinity ships a Commander Universal hybrid Intel or the Galaxy-X a Commander Tac (which is another thing).
Just a guess, nothing more. If Cryptic wants it to sell to more than just the canon crowd, it'd have to be something different than the poor old BOff layout. Something will have to be coming to be able to slot the Pilot BOffs going up to Commander since they're already on the vendor on Tribble, and with only the Galaxy, Negh'Var and Xindi-Primate Ateleth Dreadnought being the current solid 'rumors' for upcoming ships it'd most likely be the C-Store ships that could slot Commander.
Personally, if the T6 Galaxy is not much more than the T5 I'd just pass on it and move on to other ships. I've already internalized that the Enterprise D (at least without being able to slot Worf at Tactical) is a lame duck in this game.
Personally, I'm just after a modified pathfinder layout. It would be very usable, no major weaknesses, a very good power spread and variety. I've never wanted 'OP MarySuePrise', I just want 'usable and fun'. No builds relying on powers and consoles that are one patch from nerf and one annoyed dev from an exploit. No having 3 engineering ensigns on a constant cooldown because there aren't enough powers to slot.
you are right.
it all depend on cryptic plans for this hypothetical t6 galaxy.
if it got less than a lt commander hybrid or whatelse, then it mean that they don't want it to have the same potential sell as others new t6 ship, or to hold up on the sales ( creazy isn't it? )
but it would sound familiar to most of us.
but if it got more, that mean that they want it to have the same potential selling both to those who want cannon ship and those who don't care or just buy ship from it stats alone.
if there is really a t6 galaxy comming, we will clearly known what is cryptic intention with this ship when it will go out.
after almost 5 years of complain from player, a galaxy reboot and now a t6 galaxy, if we they can't come up with something good it would be clear, by that time, that they don't want to.
and i mean something "really" good, something that would make a non galaxy fan player said " hmm i like the stats on this ship, i could make some pretty interesting things with it"
and not just " ho, it an upgrade version of the tier5 galaxy ".... NEXT!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
I bet they make the Galaxy hybrid seat Tac/Pilot. It makes perfect sense - now the ship is more maneuverable, therefore better in every way. Base turn rate is up from 6 to 8 with pilot abilities slotted. All the Eng/Sci seats stay the same as T5.
Cryptic presents: the T6 Galaxy!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=22867431&postcount=73
Here's a post listing the pilot powers at the trainer on tribble. While the Galaxy should have a command, I would be quite pleased if she had a pilot hybrid seat.
Hold Together would be an amazing power for a tank.
But why, why, why would they do that? Honestly?
The Exploration cruiser/ the Galaxy is just one ship in this game which already got special treatment due to it being a hero ship. It gets the exact same treatment as all the other ships. Yes, engineering abilities don't produce a lot of dps, but that doesn't mean that they "hate" this ship. This emotional nonsense has to go - the Galaxy is treated completely equal and absolutely logical in STO. The problem is not the ship, it's the gamedesign. The T6 Explorer will be an upgraded T5 Explorer and guess what - even the T5 Explorer gets played.
The three hero ships are completely identical mirrors of the trinity and they work exactly as intented within these limitations. That is not hate, it may be poor game design, but not hate. honestly. People. Stop that.
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The Galaxy's biggest weakness isn't her layout - it's the fact that there are fewer engineering powers then tac/sci - and fewer 'effective' engineering powers at that. A power that is never used because it's always on cooldown from other powers being used is a horrible choice - and with the Galaxy's ens and lt stations - you can't avoid something ALWAYS being on cooldown.
That's bad design. I'm not saying it was intended to hurt the Galaxy - but it is. Of the trinity - the Intrepid and Defiant were both effective with their layouts because there are LOTS of powers, and a great deal of them are effective. Have a spare Science station? Polarize hull - even at rank 1 is amazing. Spare tac station? Who doesn't cycle two tac teams in an escort (if you aren't doffed into it).
Thats the way I see it too, Targ. Personally, I wish they had tied it in with the Guardian, maybe they still will (alaVenture class and skins of FT6).
Ive been arguing that point ever since people were complaining about the galaxies layout. Sadly I dont see engie skills getting a boost with the new skill classes coming out