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Canon Ship #2 - New Orleans Class

akulaeasternakulaeastern Member Posts: 27 Arc User
edited March 2015 in Federation Discussion
Continuing with my theme here is #2 which I think is probably the most popular of the ships not in the game yet.

The New Orleans is part kitbash and part scratch built parts with windows and other details scaled to give the appearance of a smaller ship than the Galaxy. The model was designed and built by Ed Miarecki who also designed the Galor class. Referred to on screen as a Frigate one of the biggest mysteries are what the pods are supposed to be. Personally I always figured they were some type of weapon system perhaps special photons or heavy phasers.

Here we have a nice piece of New Orleans Class art.
http://jetfreak-7.deviantart.com/art/Strategic-Asset-268620378

Here is a photo of the studio model
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/4f/USS_Kyushu_model.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091113070945&path-prefix=en

Here is a nice ortho view:
http://unusualsuspex.deviantart.com/art/New-Orleans-Class-ortho-new-456971617

More information including more photos of the actual model can be found here:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans.htm
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  • xpowerman2014xpowerman2014 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    akulaeastern wrote: »
    Continuing with my theme here is #2 which I think is probably the most popular of the ships not in the game yet.

    The New Orleans is part kitbash and part scratch built parts with windows and other details scaled to give the appearance of a smaller ship than the Galaxy. The model was designed and built by Ed Miarecki who also designed the Galor class. Referred to on screen as a Frigate one of the biggest mysteries are what the pods are supposed to be. Personally I always figured they were some type of weapon system perhaps special photons or heavy phasers.

    Here we have a nice piece of New Orleans Class art.
    http://jetfreak-7.deviantart.com/art/Strategic-Asset-268620378

    Here is a photo of the studio model
    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/4f/USS_Kyushu_model.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091113070945&path-prefix=en

    Here is a nice ortho view:
    http://unusualsuspex.deviantart.com/art/New-Orleans-Class-ortho-new-456971617

    More information including more photos of the actual model can be found here:
    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans.htm

    I think the windows is totally off..... Its way too big....
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The pods are rocket boosters, the new Orleans is crewed entirely by kerbals.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    To me this is one of my favorite "kit bash" ships. I think STO could make good use out of this ship. I would buy one to use lot faster than other ships.

    However I doubt we will ever see it on STO. I can see it as a Frigate type. Kinda like an escort or battle cruiser.
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    edited March 2015
    Be nice if frigates were an actual class of ship, like raiders are.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Yes, this ship could be a great destroyer for STO combining the features of both escorts and cruisers.

    As for the pods, they could be either weapons or sensors, but I would bet on the latter knowing the Federation's focus on exploration over warfare.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    xpowerman2014 wrote: »
    I think the windows is totally off..... Its way too big....

    Not if its size is to be believed, according to the builders of the kitbash the ship is meant to be a smaller vessel, just slightly shorter than an Intrepid-class: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans.htm
    "New Orleans-class USS Kyushu. Again, a scaled-down Galaxy saucer (meaning it was made from an Enterprise kit, but with a larger bridge and larger windows, intended to imply a smaller ship). Two nacelles on pylons above the center axis of the ship. I think this was my favorite of the Miarecki study models. At Dan Curry's suggestion, I added two or three "outboard pods" to the ship in an effort to make it look a little less Enterprise-like. The photos in the Encyclopedia are all photos of the study model, retouched to add lights in the windows. I took the photos just before starting the battle damage work."

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  • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    would love to see her ingame, doubt it'll happen as the Head Dev has said i'm lead to believe that he doesn't like kitbashes,
    The Constellation/Miranda are Constitution Kitbashes, The Nebula/Cheyenne/Galaxy-X are Galaxy Kitbashes, The Keldon is a Galor Kitbash, The NX Class is Akira kitbash (The Akira being the beautiful lady and the NX being that lady with her make up removed), there's no arguement about cannon kitbashes not being added to the game. Games full of them
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    supergirl1611 wrote: »
    would love to see her ingame, doubt it'll happen as the Head Dev has said i'm lead to believe that he doesn't like kitbashes,
    The Constellation/Miranda are Constitution Kitbashes, The Nebula/Cheyenne/Galaxy-X are Galaxy Kitbashes, The Keldon is a Galor Kitbash, The NX Class is Akira kitbash (The Akira being the beautiful lady and the NX being that lady with her make up removed), there's no arguement about cannon kitbashes not being added to the game. Games full of them

    Yes, the Nebula and Cheyenne are Kitbashes of the Galaxy and the Constellation is a kitbash of the Connie with some parts from another model. The Miranda is specifically NOT a kitbash as several sources point out. It's design was specifically authorized through a design process (and was approved upside down to boot!). Neither is the NX an Akira Kitbash, though it was designed to resemble the beloved ship from First Contact.

    The Galaxy-X and Keldon are merely modifications (varients) of the original model.
  • mrshadowphoenixmrshadowphoenix Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I read somewhere that the 3 pods were modular mission modules, like the single dorsal pod of the Nebula class family. Ie, they can be swapped out as needed for different things.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    All of those designs should have been in-game at least as kitbash parts for other models since launch. STO is maybe the only game claiming to be Star Trek that efuses to deliver Star Trek canon material. If they had set a fixed time period for this game they could pull the age card, but they clearly do not do that so there's no reason to not include those designs.

    The New Orleans Frigate is especially interesting. It's the most "escort-y" thing you get in TNG canon. Those vessels primary mission was to provide escort and protection for other ships and they probably were replaced by another class nobody likes to talk about, the Norway.
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I'd love to see the New Orleans, sadly I just don't think it is in the cards.

    Combine that Geko has outright said he doesn't like the graveyard kitbashes and that we have moved on to T6 now, we probably just won't see it. Or any of the other background kitbashes, for that matter.
  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 14,782 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Silly me, I misread the thread's subject heading. I thought it was about Cannon Ships. :rolleyes:
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  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 14,782 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    davidwford wrote: »
    Yes, this ship could be a great destroyer for STO combining the features of both escorts and cruisers.

    As for the pods, they could be either weapons or sensors, but I would bet on the latter knowing the Federation's focus on exploration over warfare.

    My understanding from some 80s FASA game guides from the ST Combat Simulator was that some Fed ships required little time to swap out exploration mods for weapons mods should the Feds suddenly find themselves on a war footing. Here is a Nebula Class example. Before the Next Gen era, the Miranda Class seemed to be the big swappable one.
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The NX may not be a "Kitbash" per se as it an entirely CGI model, as was the Akira.....but they're based off the same wireframe...so it's a "Kithash" I would say.
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    zedbrightlander1 wrote: »
    My understanding from some 80s FASA game guides from the ST Combat Simulator was that some Fed ships required little time to swap out exploration mods for weapons mods should the Feds suddenly find themselves on a war footing. Here is a Nebula Class example. Before the Next Gen era, the Miranda Class seemed to be the big swappable one.

    Everytime I see that pic, I think "Sci, Tac and Engineering Variants"...


    ...and a squandered opportunity. :mad:
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I look forward to more of your threads about these vessels, OP.



    The New Orleans, along with a fully kitted Springfield, are among my favorites.
  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I think the New Orleans class has an interesting layout but it's just not distinctive enough from the other Heavy Cruiser models we've got (apart from 2 less nacelles). Pretty much just another round generic saucer with the pylons a bit different.

    Now if they made this ship:

    http://jetfreak-7.deviantart.com/art/High-Maintenance-Lady-345874060

    I'be very happy!

    Essentially a cross between the Sovereign and the Pathfinder in looks, I reckon it could fit well into an escort or destroyer role. Maybe a more tactical science ship.
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  • gl2814egl2814e Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It looks like a little Galaxy class with very large engines strapped onto the Saucer Section.

    Was it ever seen outside of that Wolf 359 scene?
  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I found a picture of all the idiots who want the ugly Frankenstein kitbash ships like the New Orleans in STO.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited March 2015
    It would make a nice destroyer and have the Benefit of looking like a Fed ship

    Nice design
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  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Certainly one (if not the best) kitbash they ever made. I would like to see this playable but I'm unsure on the ship type.

    I wanna say cruiser but it looks like destroyer would fit better given the size.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lordsteve1 wrote: »
    I think the New Orleans class has an interesting layout but it's just not distinctive enough from the other Heavy Cruiser models we've got (apart from 2 less nacelles). Pretty much just another round generic saucer with the pylons a bit different.

    Now if they made this ship:

    http://jetfreak-7.deviantart.com/art/High-Maintenance-Lady-345874060

    I'be very happy!

    Essentially a cross between the Sovereign and the Pathfinder in looks, I reckon it could fit well into an escort or destroyer role. Maybe a more tactical science ship.

    Looks too much like the Nova-class only scaled up in size (basically a Fed K'Vort)
    seriousxeno wrote: »
    Certainly one (if not the best) kitbash they ever made. I would like to see this playable but I'm unsure on the ship type.

    I wanna say cruiser but it looks like destroyer would fit better given the size.

    It certainly was as it was practically the primary showcase ship from the graveyard scene. Heck, the Cheyenne was bairely visable and yet it managed to make it into this game.

    I would support the basic New Orleans as an escort at either T3 or T4 with a T6 refit. OR, I would concent to it being a T4 cruiser with less hull and faster turn rate than the Galaxy/Venture. Maybe give it more of a tac focus to balance the T4 Galaxy refit's sci secondary focus.
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Been wanting this ship for years. They had spoken about it a few times, and yes I definately see it as a Destroyer type ship, much like the Fed Vet ship, but much better looking than the fed vet ship.
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    At one point they had claimed to talk about this ship in the office a lot, and it was totally on the want to do list. Then it was Geko didn't like it, then it was maybe for collectors Maybe. Someday, then nothing about it.

    Sooo, dunno.

    I'd always imagined those pods as some sort of uprated torpedo package, and the ship getting some sort of special involving a torp salvo. Would be neat, but not counting on ever seeing it.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    amosov78 wrote: »
    Not if its size is to be believed, according to the builders of the kitbash the ship is meant to be a smaller vessel, just slightly shorter than an Intrepid-class: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans.htm

    its hard not to be smaller then the galaxy class. even in game, only 1 fed ship is larger than it. new orleans is a heavy cruiser though, not a frigate, about half way between the excelsior and akira in displacement. and the windows are MUCH to big for its actual size, based on comparing the bridge modal between it and the galaxy
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    For the record, I think the Akira should be a Small Cruiser/Destroyer and not an Escort, with the New Orleans in a similiar size class.

    Light Cruisers, Heavy Escorts, Destroyers, it is all semantics, I just want the damn New Orleans.
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  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    potasssium wrote: »
    For the record, I think the Akira should be a Small Cruiser/Destroyer and not an Escort, with the New Orleans in a similiar size class.

    Light Cruisers, Heavy Escorts, Destroyers, it is all semantics, I just want the damn New Orleans.

    Indeed, the new Orleans is a fine design.

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