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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The first hit is always free.

    Some clarification on if I'll have to make a new/delete and reroll other faction captain to get the trait on both sides would be nice.

    I've already got enough reasons not to play KDF. Being down a trait would just add to that list.

    there is only 1 trait... so doesnt matter if you play fed or kdf... it's unlocked account wide.
  • js26568js26568 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Get the new character, level them up, take the trait, delete the new character, carry on as before.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    js26568 wrote: »
    Get the new character, level them up, take the trait, delete the new character, carry on as before.

    I hope there's no catch. My gut tells me it won't be that easy.
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  • amezukiamezuki Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    To those saying is not monetization cause its free, thats just an illusion. They're giving you the slot cause they want you to buy inventory upgrades, ship slots, etc, all the stuff that is character specific.
    Of course they want you to buy stuff. They are running a for-profit business. Do you want to buy stuff? No? Then don't. Problem solved.

    From a marketing perspective, this move has three purposes:

    1. To encourage new players to register
    2. To encourage those new players to spend money in the game.
    3. To encourage lapsed or jaded veteran players to give the game a fresh start

    And pretty much in that order.

    To incentivize the above, they're giving away a free character slot to create a Delta alt, which you don't have to create. They're providing a new piece of temporary alternate story content for those new characters to play through, which you don't have to play. And playing through that content unlocks stuff for your entire account, which you don't have to do.

    Honestly, I don't get the butthurt over this. I was skeptical about this idea at first too (which you can see if you read through the beginning of this thread) but now seeing the details, I've got no problem with it.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    js26568 wrote: »
    Get the new character, level them up, take the trait, delete the new character, carry on as before.

    I would recommend KDF, has fewer missions so easier to grind. Or Rom, you get a L45 purple boff with SRO (hopefully) that you can put on exchange for some EC :) I would go KDF-Rom for Plas Leech, assuming you have it already unlocked.

    Wasteland - 6 Missions - same across all factions
    Borg Advance - 5 Missions - same across all factions
    Breen Invasion - 5 Missions - same across all factions

    Fed - 72 Total Missions
    Tutorial - Fed 5 Missions -
    Klingon War - 20 missions
    Romulan Mystery - 11 Missions (only 6 missions for KDF)
    Cardassian Struggle - 20 Missions (only 13 missions for KDF)


    KDF - 65 Total Missions
    Tutorial - 7 Missions
    Empire - 5 Missions
    Warzone - 5 Missions
    Fek'Ihri Return - 4 Missions
    Vigilance - 4 Missions
    Romulan Mystery - 6 Missions
    Spectres - 5 Missions
    Dominion Domination - 13 Missions


    Rom - 72 Total Missions
    Tutorial - 4 Missions
    From the Ashes - 7 Missions
    Allies - 5 Missions
    In Shadows - 7 Missions
    Vengeance - 7 Missions
    Freedom - 7 Missions
    Spectres - 6 Missions
    Cardassian Struggle - 13 Missions
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited March 2015
    js26568 wrote: »
    Get the new character, level them up, take the trait, delete the new character, carry on as before.

    Exactly how I read it. Except I may keep the toon after all is said and done.

    Everyone can roll up their Jump To Conclusions Mat... at least for now.
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  • nileight1nileight1 Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The timing of this just seems so bad.
    Right after the Crystalline Entity event?
    Grind out for a new shiny and then have to make an alt?
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    My take is...

    1. I have alt-itis, might as well indulge it with a free character slot. In fact, I will likely delete some of my mules and start one new character in each faction... even if I don't play more than one of them during the event. Those characters really weren't being used anyway.

    2. New plotline to follow? They had me at "experienced captain traveling back in time".

    3. Improved rewards? Yes. Extra dilithium? Heck, yes.
    The question I have is will different factions offer different permanent bonuses, as in, if I want all the bonuses from the event I need to play each faction? Or are they all the same and I only need to do one?

    This paragraph from the blog is key:
    Delta Recruits will be playing a parallel story to that of their chosen faction. They have a list of goals that they can achieve at any time, and completing these goals will see them rewarded with equipment, Marks, and other rewards beneficial not just to the Delta Recruit, but to all characters on the same account. Completing the story arcs of your chosen faction will reward you with a unique Starship Trait for all characters on your account: Temporal Insight. This trait will proc a Damage Immunity when you use any Hull Heal on your starship.

    So, reasonable to think that some of the rewards will only apply to Delta Recruit characters and some will apply to all characters on the account. Some will be more or less permanent and some, like the dilithium and XP bonuses, will end when the event ends. Clarification will no doubt be coming.

    What MAY be different will be the parallel storyline for each faction. I expect them to be very similar if not identical, but the 'flavor' might be a bit different for each. That's why I'll start one each. Might even go for a theme... A Fed Engineer, a KDF Tac Officer, and a Rom Science Officer. Dunno, have to get more details and let the thought simmer awhile.
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  • bucklerpwbucklerpw Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So what is an "entire group" exactly? All the characters on a team, all the characters in my account, all the character's in Delta Recruitment, all the characters registered in STO?
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Right... as if you can dictate to other players what they "should" do. I don't feel insulted in any way, and I have a lot of characters.
    I am not dictating, I am expressive an opinion. I feel insulted, and can appreciate how others might feel. You don't? That's fine, I wasn't speaking for you, do not speak for me.
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    I am not dictating, I am expressive an opinion. I feel insulted, and can appreciate how others might feel. You don't? That's fine, I wasn't speaking for you, do not speak for me.

    flash, There's parts of the blog that specifically says that there's rewards that are beneficial to our existing characters too, not just the delta recruit characters.

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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    flash, There's parts of the blog that specifically says that there's rewards that are beneficial to our existing characters too, not just the delta recruit characters.
    If I read correctly, we can only get those rewards AFTER leveling a new delta recruit character.
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    If I read correctly, we can only get those rewards AFTER leveling a new delta recruit character.

    I suggest you wait until all of the details get revealed before jumping to conclusions.

    I can see right now that the starship trait is what comes for completing the faction's story arcs with the delta recruit. However, the equipment, marks and misc rewards can come from completing the delta recruit goals. I take it you don't like incentives for playing with a new character?

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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    js26568 wrote: »
    Get the new character, level them up, take the trait, delete the new character, carry on as before.
    flash525 wrote: »
    If I read correctly, we can only get those rewards AFTER leveling a new delta recruit character.

    and the problem is? no different than the current event going on... but this is an account wide trait unlock.

    play the alt get the dil from the missions and kills... get trait. move dill to exchange and delete char.

    trait available across account.

    way better than the current event where you need to grind it for each toon to get the torp.

    if you dont want the trait, dont do the event.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I take it you don't like incentives for playing with a new character?
    I'm against being forced to play a new character to gain benefits. I have three characters that I'm running now; only two of them are level #60, neither of those have their specializations finished, nor are they running equipment that bests Mk XII. I don't have the time for yet another character.

    If it was a new faction with a new story and content, I'd understand (somewhat) cause it would be something widely different, but what I fear they propose isn't ultimately going to be that different from an existing character choice. You're right, I shouldn't jump to conclusions, but every time lately that I try to be optimistic, Cryptic go and do something that makes me lose all faith in them.

    As such, I fear that my conclusions where this is concerned will turn out to be true.
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  • siliconpsychosiliconpsycho Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I basically quit playing STO about 4 months ago, so far this blog has made me raise an eyebrow of interest again, however...

    I think Cryptic / PWE need to details exactly why these "new recruit" characters are going to be so important if they want existing and new players to begin an entire "new alt" investment in gear, currency, rep, crafting, upgrades and spec trees, otherwise...people are going to wonder what the whole point of it is.

    Sure, every alt you have gets a trait, but, so what? that's such a minor thing for me it is nowhere near important enough to warrant an entire new alt.

    If the "recruits" end up being completely marginal in upcoming content or worse, almost pointless, that would be a very very crappy thing to do to an already fractured playerbase.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    I'm against being forced to play a new character to gain benefits.

    But being "forced" to play an old/current character is ok to you?

    Are you doing the current event for the torp?

    It's a game, no one is forcing you to do anything... you can uninstalll the game completely if you want to.

    if you want the trait, grind for it as you are currently grinding for the torp, assuming your doing that. if not then carry on and play as you like. this event is costing you nothing, you dont need to delete a current toon to make room or buy a new slot. totally up to you if you want to grind or not. and since these missions are all old stuff your familiar with... heck just burn thru em asap and get the new mission dil and kill dil during this event.
  • gameleechgameleech Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I dont like it one bit. Firstly, I dont care for alts in any game, I hate replaying the same missions or instances. Does not matter if its a different class, it is basically all the same storyline that has no dynamic changes. STFs or BZs I do not mind as they are just maps to me with rewards. Story missions are boring, long, and all I can think of is rush to the end and hope never have to do it again. These arent dungeons like in typical MMOs. They are much more boring and predictable.

    Dangling traits, whatever fine, could care less, I barely play to take advantage of any this grind anyways. Just amused that Cryptic can always find new way to 'make the game better'. Last year has been the worst ever since year one.
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  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Good idea to get players to start new toons. Cryptic destroyed the end game of STO by making it Pay To Win so perhaps people will be entertained by leveling new toons....
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    tigeraries wrote: »
    But being "forced" to play an old/current character is ok to you?
    I don't have old characters. I play my current ones because they are ... my current ones. :rolleyes:
    tigeraries wrote: »
    Are you doing the current event for the torp?
    Nope. I'm doing the event for the marks and dilithium, if it wasn't for the event, I'd be earning said items other ways. The event merely serves as a shortcut until it's over.
    tigeraries wrote: »
    if not then carry on and play as you like.
    Oh I very much intend too.
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  • oneratsonerats Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Effectively, they want new players to join (thus they need to heavily advertise this event, and not just on their own home page), they want old players to return, and they want current players to start new characters and hopefully play them through to a high level (likely outfitting them with gear using the upgrade system (dilithium sink) and possibly purchasing character specific unlocks in the zen store). All in all, this event is a win for Cryptic.

    It's not bad for players either, which is a new one for them. It's a little disappointing that current characters don't get to enjoy the event, but the possibility of getting us to purchase stuff for new characters makes them money.

    My only problem is.. I've no reason to start another alt. I'm normally a serious altoholic (I had a 90 of every class in WoW, two 90 paladins, and a 60 paladin twinked out with all the best stuff she could get for each spec - pre Naxx, as that was taken out before I made her.. she was fun to jump into random groups with, lol). In this game though, it felt pointless even leveling a science and engineer.. I did it, but there was no reason to do so. When romulans came out I leveled up a romulan tactical too, mainly for the story.. but again, it felt totally pointless. I've tried several times to start a klingon.. but why? It's just the same stuff over again leading to the same stuff in the end.

    Now that we've got spec points and upgraded gear that costs a ton and isn't all account bound.. I've no desire to use any character beyond my single main fed tactical. Even the benefits of playing romulans hasn't been enough to change my mind there.
  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,185 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    This is good for new players, and any existing ones willing to go through the trouble of grinding a new character.

    Till DR, I never had a main. I have 13 characters, and played on all of them the same. However, with the release of DR, which is excessively grind focused, and NOT alt friendly.

    If you are not going to waste the time grinding another character, just to play through the same missions again, then it is pointless.

    Personally, till they fix the major game pley problems with DR, I am not going to waste time with another alt. They even said that most of the things you will be doing is what you do anyway playing the missions. All that means is that you will be grinding another character through the exact same content as before.

    If they are not willing to fix the game play problems, then at least make new content, instead of trying to find ways to bribe players to replay the same content they have already done.

    Besides, if you want to start a new character, even without the bonus xp event, it only takes less than 48 hours to reach level 50. The real problem is getting to 60, and getting the spec points. Everything else is just putting glitter on the same old stuff to get people to play it so they don't have to fix stuff, or put out new content.
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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Meh, I have what I need to create a lvl 50 something fed tac toon to fly a T5-U PER, I can't be bothered fleeting it, I don't think I'll bother getting any high level character bound gear for it... But I'm a completionist so I'll see what 'new' things they've made for these toons. I just likely wont enjoy doing it.
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  • tuskin67tuskin67 Member Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Just say NO! Of course, Cryptic/PWE are counting on all the OCD/min-maxers not wanting to be outclassed by those players who just can't bring themselves to say NO, so here is the next layer of power creep & monetization... :(

    How is this monitization at all? Nothing in this event REQUIRES money.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    tuskin67 wrote: »
    How is this monitization at all? Nothing in this event REQUIRES money.

    Its to nudge you to spend. If you want the shinies for your vets, gotta roll a new character. And ya know, its a new character and all, probably ought to gear him out appropriately. And some fancy doffs. And maybe a new ship. And.....
  • infydelinfydel Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Its to nudge you to spend. If you want the shinies for your vets, gotta roll a new character. And ya know, its a new character and all, probably ought to gear him out appropriately. And some fancy doffs. And maybe a new ship. And.....

    the character slot is free, ships you have previously paid for will still be available, and nobody is forcing you to make this new character your main character - there's no reason to spend money whatsoever.

    personally, I can't see what the problem is here.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Its to nudge you to spend. If you want the shinies for your vets, gotta roll a new character. And ya know, its a new character and all, probably ought to gear him out appropriately. And some fancy doffs. And maybe a new ship. And.....

    And some extra inventory slots. Maybe a couple extra boff slots if you decide on a special crew theme? What other purchases are character specific?

    That said I'm almost certain I'll be making a Vorta and buying enough keys to trade in for ec to get a jem ship (not bug, that's WAY too expensive) ... so i guess they're gonna get what they wanted afterall
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  • canutethegreat1canutethegreat1 Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2015
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  • infydelinfydel Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    And some extra inventory slots. Maybe a couple extra boff slots if you decide on a special crew theme? What other purchases are character specific?

    Right, but none of that stuff is necessary to get any of the stated rewards for this event. I kind of doubt most existing players will bother with the DR character they create once they've earned the account-wide awards.

    While it's true that new players might want to buy some of this stuff, that would be true regardless of this event.
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  • js26568js26568 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    infydel wrote: »
    Right, but none of that stuff is necessary to get any of the stated rewards for this event. I kind of doubt most existing players will bother with the DR character they create once they've earned the account-wide awards.

    While it's true that new players might want to buy some of this stuff, that would be true regardless of this event.

    Please tell me where these stated rewards are stated, because Cryptic hasn't stated what the stated rewards will be.
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