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did I miss something???

unclereekyunclereeky Member Posts: 33 Arc User
edited March 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
About 2 weeks ago..I could grind Argala for about 12,000 xp per run...today...I did the same run..but only picked up around 3,000xp. First off...did you nerf something..again? and is so..WHY? Back when you started up Delta Rising..there were a couple times you came out and said that you werent' going to "mess with anything"..such as the dilithium at the ground battlezone at the sphere..and also the grinding..well..to date..you lied both times. I do not get the same amount of dilithium I use to get for an evening of killing dinos..and now..I get no where even closer to the xp I use to get for an evening of grinding at Argala. We choose how we want to get this stuff..now you want us to fly around to each and every system for a measley 3000 xp. Again..back to the question ...WHY? Have you ever heard the sayiing..if it isn't broke..don't fix it. In the future..we..or I..let me say it that way...if your going to change something because of "some" people griping about something..please let Us..all of us..see the percentage of those who are ********..compared to those of us who are happy to grind where we're at. Other than you..there are most of us who do work..and happen to like a quick way to pick up some xp..because we can't spend 7 days a week/ 12 hrs a day on here just to get the xp we need to level up. Free or not..your changes are not always what the players want. If your taking the word of the freaks getting 100,000+dps for ideas and suggestions...then I can understand why you do what you do...but the majority don't get 100,000 + dps..so again..you should probably put out what your going to do early..to see if maybe we want to stay..or find something better to do.

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  • oneratsonerats Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Well - it wasn't ever 12,000. Unless you were running elite, maybe. Advanced was good for around 6k though.

    That said, you missed the part where they cut it down to nearly nothing and added a long cooldown to it. We complained about grinding Argala, so they made it much less appealing to grind. Thus making the grind longer, as we now have to use less effective means. Totally makes sense.
  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    onerats wrote: »
    Well - it wasn't ever 12,000. Unless you were running elite, maybe. Advanced was good for around 6k though.

    That said, you missed the part where they cut it down to nearly nothing and added a long cooldown to it. We complained about grinding Argala, so they made it much less appealing to grind. Thus making the grind longer, as we now have to use less effective means. Totally makes sense.

    You forgot to mention how they added additional XP to STF's, non Delta Rising patrols, Ground BZ's and episodes (especially episode repeats)...

    Then there's also dilithium added to almost every aspect of STO that did not originall reward dilithium...

    The intent was to prevent people feeling as if they have no option but to grind Argala until their eyes bleed...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • oneratsonerats Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Did they actually increase it? I was getting about the same in my STF runs that I was before they "increased" it.. and that was during a double xp weekend. For most STF's, there's also the point that a percent increase from nearly nothing is still nearly nothing.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited March 2015
    they did increase the xp for normal Q'ed events like the STFs from 1250 completition to about 2500

    its still horribly low xp

    its about 32 STfs for 1 spec point at level 60
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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    onerats wrote: »
    Did they actually increase it? I was getting about the same in my STF runs that I was before they "increased" it.. and that was during a double xp weekend. For most STF's, there's also the point that a percent increase from nearly nothing is still nearly nothing.

    I know CE went up about 30%... I was getting 1.8k (give or take) rewarded for completion, on Advanced, before the patch, post patch was about 2.4k...

    Dyson Ground BZ was one of the biggest increases... I came away with well over 12k XP just from a quick run through the dailies, and taking out the VRexes, when testing it recently... Never used to come anywhere close to that...
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    onerats wrote: »
    Did they actually increase it? I was getting about the same in my STF runs that I was before they "increased" it.. and that was during a double xp weekend. For most STF's, there's also the point that a percent increase from nearly nothing is still nearly nothing.


    Yes they increased it “three-fold”. But it’s just another joke in disguise on cryptic part.

    If a 15min elite match gave you 1000 SP before you will now get an awesome amount 3000 SP so in other words nothing multiplied by 3 is still nothing.

    That’s the reason why the increase is felt not-noteworthy by most and by no means gives any chance to make up for the benefit Argala offered for some.
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  • james1900james1900 Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    While I'm not thrilled on the nerf to Argala... I know why they did it and I do like the fact they boosted rewards other places. I can actually go do a run through of dyzon BZ and come out with a nice chunk of skill points.. same with other content.. Content that previously rewarded nothing or way less. At least now I feel like I can do other things and not be loosing anything. I still think the skill point gain is horribly slow... but at least I'm not a slave to a system patrol.. Which okay yes I was by choice but it was the best option for skill points.. now its all about the same.. so play what you enjoy now.
  • rsoblivionrsoblivion Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The boosts should have brought things in line with Argala, not nerfed Argala and then a minor buff to other stuff. All actions should have been brought to Argala's level full stop.
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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    rsoblivion wrote: »
    The boosts should have brought things in line with Argala, not nerfed Argala and then a minor buff to other stuff. All actions should have been brought to Argala's level full stop.


    Tbh I've been gaining spec points a LOT faster than before so have to admit I don't get why your moaning it's by far better now than before. . By a lot!!!
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  • unclereekyunclereeky Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    regardless...the point is..you don't dangle that carrot in front of our faces..to where we learn where we can go to farm xp..then because some children cry and whine about something..your change "EVERYTHING"..2708 plus crumbs of xp for the npc's you kill...the one gentleman hit it on the head..about 32 patrols will get you close to getting 1 specialization point...wow...32..ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Developers..this is what you do..for a living...the majority of us do this in our spare time..have you heard the saying..the customer is always right? well..I know thats not completely right..but its not complete wrong either. 32 patrols..wow...who's the einstein that thought that one up and actually thought it was a good idea? From what I've been readin..I'm not the only one ranting about this...so maybe..just maybe..you didn't hit the nail on the head this time. Grinding doesn't have to mean "something that takes forever to accomplish". So..put all your heads together and try to fix this..2708 + npc xp crumbs per run is a far far cry from the 12,000 xp per run I was earning at Argala. LIke I said..I don't spend all day on this game..and because of this..I'm sure I won't be spending much time on here period..and I'm sure I"m not alone in this.

    STill not happy
  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    unclereeky wrote: »
    then because some children cry and whine about something..
    Is this not what you are doing right now?
    unclereeky wrote: »
    have you heard the saying..the customer is always right?

    This is an absolute fallacy and anyone who has to actually deal with the public, as part of their line of work, knows this all... too.. well...
    unclereeky wrote: »
    who's the einstein that thought that one up and actually thought it was a good idea? From what I've been readin..I'm not the only one ranting about this...

    And those who are, are generally demanding instant gratification and wouldn't be happy if they got what they want... They'd simply move onto whinging about something else...

    unclereeky wrote: »
    Grinding doesn't have to mean "something that takes forever to accomplish". So..put all your heads together and try to fix this..2708 + npc xp crumbs per run is a far far cry from the 12,000 xp per run I was earning at Argala. LIke I said..I don't spend all day on this game..and because of this..I'm sure I won't be spending much time on here period..and I'm sure I"m not alone in this.

    STill not happy

    It's personal perception what is 'grinding' and what is not... No where is Cryptic forcing you to 'grind' Spec points, however, many feel they must get them as quickly as possible, rather than simply pacing themselves and, in doing so, they turn it into a grind, not Cryptic..
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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