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oneratsonerats Member Posts: 0 Arc User
As I don't own one of the old JHAS's I happened to bring up one of the old dev blogs to compare the new attack ship to the old one (I refuse to call it a strike ship.. sorry, it's the same darn boat.) and I noticed that they changed the note at the bottom of the blog where they promised a T6 upgrade for the ship. It now reads that it will gain a Tier 5U upgrade. A couple days ago it didn't, I remember as someone linked it in another thread.

For reference - here's the link

I know Cryptic is underhanded. Pretty much criminally so. But changing an old blog months after the fact to "cover up" that you totally broke that promise? That's like a five year old saying, no.. I didn't steal a cookie from the cookie jar.. as he's got a cookie in his hand, one in his mouth, and his hand in the jar. How stupid do you think we are? Honestly, can't we expect better than this?

To be honest - I'm done. While I don't own one of these ships, this is merely the latest in a long line of straws. The way this company has been acting in the past few months is flat out appalling. I may log in from time to time, but I'll no longer spend money to support this behavior. When my current ships become outdated (or I finally can't take running the same exact thing, the same exact way, in the same exact boat so much as one more time), I'll likely retire for good. While I may not matter much as a single player, I know I'm far from the only player who feels this way.
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  • thegcbaconthegcbacon Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    can i haz ur stuffz?
  • mewimewi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    onerats wrote: »
    As I don't own one of the old JHAS's I happened to bring up one of the old dev blogs to compare the new attack ship to the old one (I refuse to call it a strike ship.. sorry, it's the same darn boat.) and I noticed that they changed the note at the bottom of the blog where they promised a T6 upgrade for the ship. It now reads that it will gain a Tier 5U upgrade. A couple days ago it didn't, I remember as someone linked it in another thread.

    For reference - here's the link

    I know Cryptic is underhanded. Pretty much criminally so. But changing an old blog months after the fact to "cover up" that you totally broke that promise? That's like a five year old saying, no.. I didn't steal a cookie from the cookie jar.. as he's got a cookie in his hand, one in his mouth, and his hand in the jar. How stupid do you think we are? Honestly, can't we expect better than this?

    To be honest - I'm done. While I don't own one of these ships, this is merely the latest in a long line of straws. The way this company has been acting in the past few months is flat out appalling. I may log in from time to time, but I'll no longer spend money to support this behavior. When my current ships become outdated (or I finally can't take running the same exact thing, the same exact way, in the same exact boat so much as one more time), I'll likely retire for good. While I may not matter much as a single player, I know I'm far from the only player who feels this way.

    They'll just say in their minds, "U r just some forum d00d u don't matta cuz u aint majority bro. So we keep doin wat we doin, pumpin out da best content of eny MMO ebar."
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  • noshufflenoshuffle Member Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I won't be leaving, but the last bit of credibilty Cryptic had, has vanished through the airlock. And such I will review every game of them in the future.
    OK, if I have to stay here for a while, your cieling ... looks idious.:D
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It wasn't changed from T6...it was changed from T6 capabilities...care to give me a definitive answer on what *T6 Capabilities* means? I've never seen Cryptic define that anywhere. :D
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  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2015
    onerats wrote: »
    As I don't own one of the old JHAS's I happened to bring up one of the old dev blogs to compare the new attack ship to the old one (I refuse to call it a strike ship.. sorry, it's the same darn boat.) and I noticed that they changed the note at the bottom of the blog where they promised a T6 upgrade for the ship. It now reads that it will gain a Tier 5U upgrade. A couple days ago it didn't, I remember as someone linked it in another thread.

    For reference - here's the link

    For anyone not believing it, here's an album I took of that thread before it was changed: http://imgur.com/a/Wh4Pp

    It's pretty sad when this is the second time Cryptic has done differently from what they posted, and that I've had to learn to screenshot dev blogs before calling out inconsistencies.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    For anyone not believing it, here's an album I took of that thread before it was changed: http://imgur.com/a/Wh4Pp

    It's pretty sad when this is the second time Cryptic has done differently from what they posted, and that I've had to learn to screenshot dev blogs before calling out inconsistencies.

    Still waiting for the definition of what T6 capabilities means!
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  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Cryptic backtracked on this shortly after that old blog was released, back then I was annoyed that they did that and not many people complained. And this was all before DR had even went live.

    Fast forward to now and honestly, I cant help but wonder why people waited this long to kick up this much of a fuss about it, maybe because the new ship is out and people are acting like they're entitled to free stuff. Where were all the complaining posts months ago when they backtracked and made the bug ship T5-U hmm?
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited March 2015
    Apparently, y'all missed Ricossa's explanation and apology.

    Bad idea, handled poorly... but, I gotta say, I like Ricossa as EP.

    Plus, this likely was decided on his predecessor's watch, so I'm willing to give him a pass (for now).
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  • oneratsonerats Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    That's something, though it was rather hidden away where few probably saw it. Still, the veracity of the explanation is rather questionable - as someone pointed out not a post or two later, they announced T6 and the idea that we could upgrade existing ships to something between T5 and T6 at the same time. Even if the concept wasn't totally set in stone, they knew darn well when they wrote that that T5-U would not be "T6 Capabilities", and I very much doubt they didn't have plans from the start to re-release T5 ships in T6 format right around the time T5-U upgrade token sales tapered off. In fact, I'd wager that very idea was one of the major selling points of DR and the level increase all the way back to when they were first introduced to whoever called the shots. While that may have been his predecessor's call, that doesn't appear to have changed in the slightest.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Still waiting for the definition of what T6 capabilities means!

    A completely ambiguous term that means whatever the reader wants it to be. The blog never said that the JHAS was upgradeable to all of the Tier 6 capabilities just that it would be upgradeable to Tier 6 capabilities.

    Of course, that dev blog came out on August 15 and the Tier 6 ship blog that defined the benefits of a Tier 6 ship came out on August 26. So it is entirely possible that Cryptic planned on upgrading all ships to Tier 6, but changed their minds later on. So Cryptic could be guilty of forgetting to adjust the dev blog to the current state.
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    A completely ambiguous term that means whatever the reader wants it to be. The blog never said that the JHAS was upgradeable to all of the Tier 6 capabilities just that it would be upgradeable to Tier 6 capabilities.

    Of course, that dev blog came out on August 15 and the Tier 6 ship blog that defined the benefits of a Tier 6 ship came out on August 26. So it is entirely possible that Cryptic planned on upgrading all ships to Tier 6, but changed their minds later on. So Cryptic could be guilty of forgetting to adjust the dev blog to the current state.

    Argued like a true lawyer. Any reasonable person could assert that t6 capabilities means the ones that were released with DR which would mean at a bare minimum, a hybrid bridge officer seat with access to intel powers. Furthermore, it doesn't mean whatever the reader wants it to be. T6 ship capabilities can only mean one thing and that is access to intel or command abilities. How stupid do you think we are? T6 capabilities are not T5U capabilities.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    A completely ambiguous term that means whatever the reader wants it to be. The blog never said that the JHAS was upgradeable to all of the Tier 6 capabilities just that it would be upgradeable to Tier 6 capabilities.

    Of course, that dev blog came out on August 15 and the Tier 6 ship blog that defined the benefits of a Tier 6 ship came out on August 26. So it is entirely possible that Cryptic planned on upgrading all ships to Tier 6, but changed their minds later on.

    That hits the nail on the head I've been hinting to all over...but people are to busy "Give me mah T6 bug naow" Or don't want to admit they played right into Cryptic's hand.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lianthelia wrote: »
    That hits the nail on the head I've been hinting to all over...but people are to busy "Give me mah T6 bug naow" Or don't want to admit they played right into Cryptic's hand.


    Didn't the blog originally say that the T5 bug will be upgraded to t6 but that was then changed to upgraded to t6 capabilities and then now it's been changed to upgraded to T5U abilities?
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited March 2015
    onerats wrote: »
    That's something, though it was rather hidden away where few probably saw it. Still, the veracity of the explanation is rather questionable - as someone pointed out not a post or two later, they announced T6 and the idea that we could upgrade existing ships to something between T5 and T6 at the same time. Even if the concept wasn't totally set in stone, they knew darn well when they wrote that that T5-U would not be "T6 Capabilities", and I very much doubt they didn't have plans from the start to re-release T5 ships in T6 format right around the time T5-U upgrade token sales tapered off. In fact, I'd wager that very idea was one of the major selling points of DR and the level increase all the way back to when they were first introduced to whoever called the shots. While that may have been his predecessor's call, that doesn't appear to have changed in the slightest.

    That's fair, to a degree... this T5-U ship has already sailed, so there isn't much he can do now. They could reverse their stance on the Bug, and offer all owners a T6 upgrade... but, that is extremely wishing thinking, LOL, and would set a bad business precedence.

    It certainly took massive balls to jump immediately to a revamped Bug... ill-informed, arrogant, greedy, massive balls, LOL... but, with the Pathfinder, the writing was on the wall. :(

    My only real point was... I'm hopeful for Ricossa's tenure. (I'm a Classic Bug owner, BTW.)
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  • oneratsonerats Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I rather doubt they changed their entire design philosophy within a week before it was announced. They have to plan further out than that.

    Since it was asked - T6 capabilities to me means equivalent capabilities. Ship traits I can forgo. Those go in slots, and I have T6 ships with traits I can use with my T5 ships. Intel/Command abilities I could forgive.. until this new bug ship. Previously, no ship had access to two specializations.. and command is rather lackluster to begin with. A T5 ship running regular old abilities isn't any worse off than a command spec ship - intel is a different beast of course.

    What I never could forgive is the Boff power slot. A ship with one less power slot is, quite simply, not the same. On some ships this makes little difference, as the extra power is in a somewhat useless spot. For others though, that difference is huge.
  • sal1111sal1111 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Apparently, y'all missed Ricossa's explanation and apology.

    Bad idea, handled poorly... but, I gotta say, I like Ricossa as EP.

    Plus, this likely was decided on his predecessor's watch, so I'm willing to give him a pass (for now).

    They should have changed it back then the second they announced t5-u... they didn't because the promo went on for another 2 weeks after they announced T5-U. They could have went on the forums back then and cleared it up, they did not.

    And now instead of creating a new thread... the new guy posted 8 pages deep into an existing thread knowing it would get buried pretty quickly and most people wouldn't realize he posted at all.

    Which is why this thread exists now. Its typical behavior for them and the new guy is no different then the old guys.
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Apparently, y'all missed Ricossa's explanation and apology.

    Bad idea, handled poorly... but, I gotta say, I like Ricossa as EP.

    Plus, this likely was decided on his predecessor's watch, so I'm willing to give him a pass (for now).

    The thing I will give him credit for is that he personally owned it even though the easy and tempting thing to do would have been to say, "It was my predecessor and I had nothing to do with it." And at least he did put in writing that he was making an edit, so good choice or bad choice, it was not ninja'd in there without a word.

    What will count the most for me is where the game is five or so months from now and what the quality of the game and customer relations are at that point. Once there is no more reason to think any of the previous EP's screwups have an impact anymore, then I will be able to make a more accurate judgment.

    Right now, though, I can at least say that his attitude is better than anyone that we have had so far. Still, attitude is not enough to convince me to spend. That will require consistent, sustained actions.

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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited March 2015
    sal1111 wrote: »
    They should have changed it back then the second they announced t5-u... they didn't because the promo went on for another 2 weeks after they announced T5-U. They could have went on the forums back then and cleared it up, they did not.

    And now instead of creating a new thread... the new guy posted 8 pages deep into an existing thread knowing it would get buried pretty quickly and most people wouldn't realize he posted at all.

    Which is why this thread exists now. Its typical behavior for them and the new guy is no different then the old guys.

    That's a little unfair. His predecessor rarely came on here at all, and you can easily find what he said via the Dev Tracker.

    This is a forum... things tend to get posted and buried all the time, dev or not.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited March 2015
    gulberat wrote: »
    The thing I will give him credit for is that he personally owned it even though the easy and tempting thing to do would have been to say, "It was my predecessor and I had nothing to do with it." And at least he did put in writing that he was making an edit, so good choice or bad choice, it was not ninja'd in there without a word.

    What will count the most for me is where the game is five or so months from now and what the quality of the game and customer relations are at that point. Once there is no more reason to think any of the previous EP's screwups have an impact anymore, then I will be able to make a more accurate judgment.

    Right now, though, I can at least say that his attitude is better than anyone that we have had so far. Still, attitude is not enough to convince me to spend. That will require consistent, sustained actions.

    Fair, and well said. :)
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    Argued like a true lawyer. Any reasonable person could assert that t6 capabilities means the ones that were released with DR which would mean at a bare minimum, a hybrid bridge officer seat with access to intel powers. Furthermore, it doesn't mean whatever the reader wants it to be. T6 ship capabilities can only mean one thing and that is access to intel or command abilities. How stupid do you think we are? T6 capabilities are not T5U capabilities.

    Then you have the following statement in this dev blog.

    "It’s important to note that while these ships don’t always feature a Specialist Bridge Officer seat, all of the Tier 6 ships launching with Delta Rising will feature at least one of these special seats."

    So Intel/Command Bridge Officer stations are not a requirement for all Tier 6 ships. If a dev blog doesn't state that a ship will specifically have a particular feature, then don't assume that it will because of some ambiguous term like Tier 6 capabilities. Always assume that the absolute minimum will be given.
  • kiloacekiloace Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Still waiting for the definition of what T6 capabilities means!

    I'm trying not to advocate the people screaming for a free "replacement" of their T5-U Bug for a T6 Bug (that's what this really is - a substitution/replacement) but we should all know by now that Cryptic learns its business practices from Satan, and the fact is that the "Ambiguous Term: T6 Capabilities" argument holds no merit - after all, its not as if they're now attempting to revise that definition.


    They've instead chucked it entirely in favor of "T5-U capabilities." That's not ambiguity. That's an outright broken promise to your customers.


    Therefore, whatever "T6 starship capabilities" truly is, it doesn't matter, because apparently, no matter how you define it, it isn't comparable to "T5-U starship capabilities," which is what they've amended in that blog post.

    EDIT: And yes, this is an older post that has been contested already, I know. But I felt like my answer was different, and was something I wanted to chuck in there.
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