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Did the plasma doping nerf actually affect builds with plasma weapons?
azniadeet
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I fly an MVAE with a focus on plasma cannons and grav well... sort of a modified NWS design.
I've been using the embassy science consoles on this ship since they were released. The plasma and partigen boosts are perfect for my build. But what I'm wondering is if I was unwittingly getting some benefit from 'plasma doping'. I'm no wiz with the math on consoles, but I have two of them equipped and suddenly it feels like my ship has lost some edge, and I'm wondering if the recent nerf actually affects plasma builds substantially. Was I unwittingly plasma doping? Because what I've read seems to suggest that plasma doping affects non-plasma weapons only.
Any explanation would be appreciated. I'm not sure where else I'm suddenly losing the edge otherwise.
I've been using the embassy science consoles on this ship since they were released. The plasma and partigen boosts are perfect for my build. But what I'm wondering is if I was unwittingly getting some benefit from 'plasma doping'. I'm no wiz with the math on consoles, but I have two of them equipped and suddenly it feels like my ship has lost some edge, and I'm wondering if the recent nerf actually affects plasma builds substantially. Was I unwittingly plasma doping? Because what I've read seems to suggest that plasma doping affects non-plasma weapons only.
Any explanation would be appreciated. I'm not sure where else I'm suddenly losing the edge otherwise.
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Or wont, eventually. Or something.
Wasn't there an issue with plasma weapons and the console proc?
I guess only good news for "Science wizards" then eh?
By tending to plasma dopers they simply changed the functionality of those consoles for none plasma dopers as well
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...and the tool tip still says the console boosts plasma damage. So not only did they totally change the fundamental function of the console on everyone who already paid for it, they didn't bother to change the false advertising. People could unwittingly be buying this console today, expecting the plasma boost they're promised.
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You know, rather than robbing us of this thing that we've been counting on for TWO FREAKIN YEARS, they could have just released variants of this console that boost the other energy types instead.
But no, just wreck people's builds. That's easier, eh?
Not sure why I bother.
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More like four years actually. I've just been focusing on the plasma build with Embassy consoles for the past two. I don't fly other ships. I don't make changes lightly. I stick with my plan, and I find ways to make things work. It's always evolving, slowly and methodically.
It was a nice ship I had once. Back to the drawing board I guess.
Can't help but feel quite used up by this game right now though.
How long does it take you to put a build togehter and what does it matter?
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Right.. Now it will "only" be on par with ships using any *other* energytype.. /sigh
The Threat Reduction feature was the primary reason I purchased them anyways.
Four years ago LoR wasn't even announced, so these consoles did not exist. IIRC four years ago today would have been around the beginning of an almost year long period of pretty much nothing new being released, because the devs were developing the F2P model.
I'm in total agreement with this! And no, I never plasma-doped (for one, simply because I haven't gotten to upgrading anything plasma yet). But yes, to change the core functionality of the console, I kinda frown upon that. I have several of those consoles (still at purple Mk XII) on a Vesta build. They were there for the purpose of boosting plasma dmg. So, basically I can't use em for that any more.
... I highly suspect that (based on the phrasing), the console still adds a damage proc for weapons, but they found a way to ADD it to science skills as well. I could be wrong, but it seems to me they were unable to add the effect to exotic powers without it doing unwanted side effects (i.e. being OP again), and then they found a way to add this future proc to exotics as well.
That's how I'm reading it. It's not excluding weapons, but including exotics on top of weapons.
I hope I'm right.
I unfortunately don't think that you are, based on these comments from borticus:
Originally Posted by borticuscryptic
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It's not inaccurate. This is exactly what's being changed.
Here, let me summarize (and hopefully clarify) the full scope of the changes we're planning to make:
- The Plasma DOT has been replaced with a Plasma Explosion that deals all of its damage in a single hit, instead of spread out over a 15sec DOT effect
- The damage dealt by this Plasma Explosion is equivalent to 4x the previous damage of the DOT
- The damage dealt by these Consoles can no longer be increased by Consoles or most other Passive effects. (Temporary buffs such as Attack Pattern Alpha will still improve the Plasma Explosion damage)
- The Plasma Explosion can be triggered by all energy types, instead of only working with non-Plasma weapons.
- The +Plasma Damage bonus gained from these consoles now only affects Exotic Damage abilities (e.g., Eject Warp Plasma, or Plasma Shockwave)
See the line right above the one you bolded:
"The Plasma Explosion can be triggered by all energy types, instead of only working with non-Plasma weapons."
There was a problem where the previous console iteration where it reacted differently with plasma weapons than with every other weapon. If it no longer applied any damage proc to weapons, why would they feel to need to make note that it now reacts to plasma weapons the same as all other weapons?
I think/hope it will still apply to weapons, just react differently to exotics as well.
I hope you're right and that borticus just wasn't clear enough. I have 2 of these consoles on my plasma-based D'Deridex and I'll have to re-think whether it makes sense to keep them slotted if the damage boost for my beam arrays is taken out.
+Plasma Damage to all Plasma Damage, Exotic and Weapon
+Chance Plasma Damage-Over-Time Attack
Bort's posts were pretty clear that [Pla] will be two things...
+Plasma Damage to Exotic Plasma
+Chance Plasma Direct Damage Attack
edit: There are some other subtleties there, as far as what affects the DoT and what will affect the DD...cause that's changing too.
Make that FIVE years...
Then replace the said consoles with ALL T5 C-Store and Fleet ships and Fleet gear and all they released in those FIVE years...
Then you see why so many people are disgruntled with the latest "visionary revamps and upgrades"... So your not alone in this, however, you REALLY can't do much about it, is their game and they can do whatever TRIBBLE they want with it... aka NO warranties!
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As I said earlier, how exactly have you been counting on a console for five years when it didn't EXIST five years ago?
Five years ago the game had just launched, all Romulans were evil, and fleet starbases (including the embassy) did not exist.
I know, I was there. My favorite bug from that era was beaming down to a planet and materializing as my starship, only human sized and unable to move.
It was a simple analogy between the consoles said lifetime and total game lifetime... and the similar state of both today!
Re read and comprehend. Nobody ever claimed they've used the console for more than 2 years.
I did comprehend, he quoted someone who said they had counted on the console for two years, and said make that five. If he meant anything else by that statement, then further English lessons are in order.
Now, if he was trying to complain about mk xiv and tier 6, first of all that has absolutely nothing to do with changing a broken console. ALL mmos introduce better gear when they increase the level cap. Within 10 minutes your purples are replaced with greens. It's been a mistake since beta that ships are considered gear, but nothing can be done about that now.
The only problem thay exists with the new gear is that it can't be obtained outside of the upgrade system. That, unfortunately, is partly because of the f2p model, and if they introduce another way to get the gear it will still involve dilithium.
Sorry, I was ascribing something to you that someone else said earlier in the thread.
As for accepting changes, I'm okay rolling back something new. What upsets me is two years of evolution being hamfistedly rolled back with a key feature of the build rendered useless LONG after it's become an accepted tactic.
The "normal person" test on plasma doping would likely have determined it to be an unintended effect.
If the fires stayed inline with the boost it gave to actual plasma weapons that'd be a different story.
Generally, if it's too good to be true, it is. Abuse it while you can but understand you are abusing it.
I wasn't plasma doping. I was using the item for is intended bonus to conventional plasma weapons.
A normal person would assume that a console with the started primary affect of buffing plasma damage would be used to do just that.
Even if they had released other variants, the double dipping damage nature of the plasma ones was the main problem.
There is the what came and there is the what is coming...there's the discussion in the following thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1382691 :where the additional changes coming are mentioned later in the thread.
That's what I was using it for as well, I've been running plasma for a while now and this nerf because of the beam consoles is really craptacular. The consoles will be pretty much useless after they are done with their balance pass. Bleh