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Bortasqu' War Cruser or scimatar?
bluedrake
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What character should I play a tactical reman with a scimatar or a engineer with a Bortasqu' War Cruser?
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While it's not particulary good it is not as terrible as people say. With it's 4-5 consoles and it's actually good boff layout it can be a very solid BFAW spam boat. And even it's low turnrate is still more than enough for broadsiding and spamming beams.
Though the scimi is probably still the among the best AOE spammers as long as it isn't set up as some 1k scimitard failboat. Waaaay too much of them around.
^^^^Seriously. Crytpic needs to take another look at that ship. It's all I fly with my tac KDF, but the ship isn't very good. I fly it for looks and style.
It moves like it's on ice and horrible stats. There's nothing 'battle' about that cruiser... It's just a plain cruiser and that's it.
So if your choice is only between those two, then basically it's not a choice at all.
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That said, I traded my Bortasqu in for a Ty'Gokor.. and the only thing I could see getting me out of it would be a 5/3 weapon layout, 5 tac console battlecruiser with a 'dreadnought'-sized hull.
Ah.....well, Klingon engineer then, ofcourse!
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Stupid arbitrary restrictions are stupid. :rolleyes:
The introduction of the command cruisers has pretty much killed any hope I had that we might see a T6 Bortasqu' retrofit.
Yes it is! By miles!
Miles and miles! We need to start getting Metric so we can use names that mean "10x" and whatnot. The Bort can't move. It's that simple. If you TRY to make it move, you devote your entire build to do so and all your consoles and your boff skills are all taken up to accomplish that -- and it still isn't very good. Manuevering, positioning, and you know... actually FLYING... are a big part of damage output in this game. Anybody that tells you otherwise is trolling or uninformed.
The Scimi can manuever. The Borty cannot. So whatever you may think by comparing them on paper? It doesn't hold up. The Scimi is hands-down one of the top DPS-capable ships in the game. The Borty will never be. It just can't get into position to fire properly. It's limping in one leg and hamstrung on the other leg.
Bortasqu' War Cruiser has all the detriments of the Bortas line, but nothing to recommend it over the other two. The Command variant has Sensor Analysis and the Tactical variant has 5 Tactical consoles, both of those give you some sort of reward for the effort of making them worthwhile combatants. War Cruiser is a cool name, but Engineering consoles beyond about 2-3 on tanks are usually Universal console storage, and, IIRC, the Tactical Variant gets bumped up to 5 Engineering when upgraded to T5-U if you really want/need 5 Eng consoles. You still have to put a fair bit of effort to make anything that doesn't fly like it's in quick-sand.
Another option is to buy the Command Cruiser three-pack and kit-bash it to look like a Bortasqu' (though a bit flatter). They are far more maneuverable, have excellent Inertia for a cruiser, have a hangar, and some interesting options with their Command and Inspiration abilities. None of them have 5 Tac consoles or Sensor Analysis, but they don't require any assistance to be a beam boat and only minor turnrate buffs to use cannons in PvE.
We get it. You hate the bort. Can you please stop going off on rants about it as you *always* do?
And no, the bort is not so far behind as you think/feel. It's never going to win any races, dps or otherwise, but it sure as heck isn't as awful as you say it is.
However, you are right when the scimmie is still the dps king. First time I've agreed with you on anything I think. I shall now shower. :P
Another thing about the Scimi is the set bonuses and special consoles that allow Rom Warbirds to increase turn rate when cloaked and whatnot. They have several key little boosts that allow it to manuever even better than some fed cruisers.
But Kdf or Rom, its what you like to fly. Sure one may be better in the end, or can get that extra bit of DPS. but in the end its what you like to see, fly and kill with i guess.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree with your evaluation.
The Bortasqu is cumbersome, yes, but it's not as unmanageable as you imply. Attack Pattern Omega completely negates the inertia problem when you need to get into position and the Qib Mastery Trait with a single turret/cannon(yes this would mean sacrificing a(n omni) beam array) puts it into high science vessel category turning/handling(and yes, it both looks and feels as silly as it sounds).
No, this doesn't mean it's somehow more powerful than a fully geared Scim or T6, but with access to EPtW3, DEM3, and 5 tac consoles, its broadside can hit harder than a sizeable chunk of the competition.
op, i think its very likely that you wouldnt enjoy the bort and would regret the purchase. the vast majority of us are testament to that.
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