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Is Path to 2409 still STO-canon?

kagasenseikagasensei Member Posts: 526 Arc User
Although the Path to 2409 is referenced in-game via the Academy-lore missions, I sometimes wonder how much of it is still considered "hard-game-canon" by the Devs, especially Christine Thompson? After all, the creation of the timeline dates back to the very beginning of the game, or actually slightly before it, and STO evolved so much since then in every aspect, including storytelling and its general approach to TV-canon...
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Why wouldn't it?
    Those logs just tell how sto's backstory developed until the point in time of the tutorial section of the character and after that there's pretty much no reference to any of that stuff.

    As long as they pick up stuff that has close to no backstory in the sourcematerial and watch it to avoid any direct contradiction, as they've done with the sonlanae (1 ep of TNG), elachi (1 ep of ENT) and the bugs (couple episodes of TNG), whatever they come up with will be the game's "hard-canon".
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Any reason to think it wouldn't be? Has any story development occurred yet that contradicts the game launch lore?
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    About as canon as Sylvester the cat turning up in a Star Wars movie and beating he TRIBBLE out of Vader with a large floppy salami.

    I'd seriously pay to see that really. :cool:

    Waaay too many licensing issues for that to happen, though they'd get my money too. :D
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  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    kagasensei wrote: »
    Although the Path to 2409 is referenced in-game via the Academy-lore missions, I sometimes wonder how much of it is still considered "hard-game-canon" by the Devs, especially Christine Thompson? After all, the creation of the timeline dates back to the very beginning of the game, or actually slightly before it, and STO evolved so much since then in every aspect, including storytelling and its general approach to TV-canon...

    That's an interesting question ... considering a certain Lead Dev's desire to replace every Year 1 content out there and the repeated references to said content being garbage ... . :(
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Most of what's been added to the game happened after the timeline ends, as do most of the retcons like the changes to the Romulan storyline. Those changes cut a lot of side stories for no good reason, but didn't change the basic shape of the main Romulan arc and even highlighted the Sela-Taris divide that the timeline mentions but the game never seemed to acknowledge.

    The farthest-back retcon was the creation of the Romulan Republic prior to the attack on Vega (see subtitles and the lore NPC in the Romulan tutorial), but the founding of New Romulus seems to line up with the later Fed-KDF war missions for the other factions. At the start of the game, the republic is just a rebel flotilla, which fits just fine with the general chaos the timeline describes in the empire. They also inserted the Elachi at the same time, but everybody involved was confused by their appearance so it stands to reason "recorded" history didn't mention them before.
  • kagasenseikagasensei Member Posts: 526 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jermbot wrote: »
    Any reason to think it wouldn't be? Has any story development occurred yet that contradicts the game launch lore?

    Not exactly contradictions... more so references which appear kinda outdated by now, e.g., Sela hiring the Hirogen (which were completely cut out of the Romulan story arc), or the mention of "fundamentally changing Starfleet's command structure" (which was supposed to kinda explain the events of the original STO tutorial, but now seems a little bit odd).

    Furthermore, many of the canon characters who have been introduced to STO and are also mentioned in the Path to 2409 (e.g., Worf, Seven of Nine, The Doctor) do not reference ANY events from it (e.g., the fact that Seven left Starfleet in protest, Worf being married to Grilka and having a young son, The Doctor's dense history with the Soong Foundation etc.)... Although nothing of this contradicts anything, but it makes the Path to 2409 seem more and more disconnected from the current game.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    the bit with Sela and the Hirogen was also there to explain how Sela could go from an outcast who'd been exiled to someone with the power to become Empress.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    kagasensei wrote: »
    Although the Path to 2409 is referenced in-game via the Academy-lore missions, I sometimes wonder how much of it is still considered "hard-game-canon" by the Devs, especially Christine Thompson? After all, the creation of the timeline dates back to the very beginning of the game, or actually slightly before it, and STO evolved so much since then in every aspect, including storytelling and its general approach to TV-canon...

    the game is based off the events of path to power 2409, however it isnt strictly 100% behind it though as you are eased into the storyline over the missions and episodic arcs. romulus is gone, hobus is gone, you can travel there, sela has leadership as is stated in the path to power, hirogen are allies of the tal-shiar as well, again as mentioned.

    sto canon is not based much off tv canon these days, you think realism? that went out the window years ago, so did trek canon for some part.
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Sorry, the Undine Lockbox was where the game hard-jumped the shark for me; I don't consider anything in the game to be remotely 'canon' at this point.

    Just sit back and enjoy the Star Trek-themed amusement park - your Nerd-Stress Levels will thank you for it.


    Edit: Misread thread; latter statement still sums up my overall care level about the lore though.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    szerontzur wrote: »
    Sorry, the Undine Lockbox was where the game hard-jumped the shark for me; I don't consider anything in the game to be remotely 'canon' at this point.

    Just sit back and enjoy the Star Trek-themed amusement park - your Nerd-Stress Levels will thank you for it.


    Edit: Misread thread; latter statement still sums up my overall care level about the lore though.

    Yeah, STO was never canon. The only thing it is canon to is itself. My opinion is that STO is the universe that appears in the first few minutes of Star Trek 2009. The Prime Universe is completely unrelated to Star Trek 2009 and only a TV series or movie that airs after Nemesis will be canon for the future of the Star Trek universe.
  • kagasenseikagasensei Member Posts: 526 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    Yeah, STO was never canon. The only thing it is canon to is itself. My opinion is that STO is the universe that appears in the first few minutes of Star Trek 2009. The Prime Universe is completely unrelated to Star Trek 2009 and only a TV series or movie that airs after Nemesis will be canon for the future of the Star Trek universe.

    With the title of the thread I never intended to refer to TV-canon (i.e., "real" Trek canon), but the body of information that makes up the STO universe. I just think, the Path of 2409 seems more and more "outdated" and disconnected from the game (naturally, as the game progresses, but the Path remains unchanged since pre-Beta).
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The Path to 2409 is still canon for STO. Delta Rising makes several inferences to the Path to 2409, and I've yet to see anything blatantly contradicted.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    iconians wrote: »
    The Path to 2409 is still canon for STO. Delta Rising makes several inferences to the Path to 2409, and I've yet to see anything blatantly contradicted.
    The closest I can think of to an actual contradiction is how it mentions that Seven of Nine went to the Daystrom Institute after she quit Starfleet, where she used the name Annika Hansen.

    But then later we see her with the Borg Cooperative where she's gone back to being called Seven of Nine.

    But the two things aren't strictly contradictory since they don't occur at the same time.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Ensign Harry Kim was transfered to SB 11... now he's Captain of the Rhode Island... wonder how many times my KDF cap blew the hell out of the Rhode Island :)
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