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spielman1
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The new ships are kinda BS when you think of it yeah neat things but you never really get a chance you use theme too much. What the company as a whole is quite hiding behind the "There are more player playing Federation so we added more ships for them" excuse and start adding ships for the Romulans and the Klingons here is a total ship count for each faction with Zen ships. Current count excludes any fleet and or Fleet ships that have a Zen counterpart. Said numbers also exclude and day reward ships.
Romulan ships 10 in total ( this excludes and Federation or Klingon ships)
Klingon ships 20 in total
Federation ships 20
So all in all the Federation and Klingons are equal but the Romulans are falling behind I think the next update patch whatever you want to call shouls include at least 10 more ROmulan ships to make things fair. As far as numbers. I do hope a developer reads this and sees players are getting tired of the ROmulans get pissed on by those pole.
Romulan ships 10 in total ( this excludes and Federation or Klingon ships)
Klingon ships 20 in total
Federation ships 20
So all in all the Federation and Klingons are equal but the Romulans are falling behind I think the next update patch whatever you want to call shouls include at least 10 more ROmulan ships to make things fair. As far as numbers. I do hope a developer reads this and sees players are getting tired of the ROmulans get pissed on by those pole.
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Yeah I got that, but your info is completely incorrect. Let's check the actual numbers:
T6 C-Store Ships:
- Fed = 9
- KDF = 5
- Rom = 5
T5 C-tore Ships (end game quality, upgradeable to T5-U):
- Fed = 26
- KDF =12
- Rom =12
Total end-game C-Store ships:
- Fed = 35
- KDF = 17
- Rom = 17
I also excluded reward ships, fleet ships, promo ships, veteran ships and fleet versions of C-Store ships and stuck with C-Store ships only.
Furthermore, the sum of low level C-Store ships is the following:
- Fed = 13
- KDF = 14
- Rom = 5
Total C-Store ships per faction
- Fed = 48
- KDF = 31
- Rom = 22
It's all there in the STO Wiki.
I have no idea how you came to the 20 vs 20 vs 10 numbers, but they're completely incorrect. I agree with the sentiment of more Romulan and Klingon ships, just saying that your numbers are way off target.
To be fair to the OP - he said he's only counting faction-specific C-Store ships, but even then his numbers are way off, as I portrayed above.
The 5-year inforgraphic showed Feds outnumber KDF and Rom combined.
Sure, I'd like nice Romulan and KDF T6 science ships, new carriers, and a space pony but Cryptic/PWE has to look at what will pay their rent.
insulting him isn't gonna reflect well on your stance. also did it occur to you the reason the romulans have fewer ships is becuase they've not been around as long as the other two?
Can we give you 10 or 15 worthless Fed ships for 3 more SROs from the romulan embassy ? And we will throw in the revamped Galaxy class in green to boot !
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Please continue.
EDIT: Gonna do some research of my own, to see what I end up with as kind of numbers. Next edit following soon.
EDIT 2: As promised.
ENDGAME SHIPS (defined here as C-store ships that are either capable of T5U upgrades or are T6)
Starfleet:
9 T6
14 T5 of which no fleet version exists and that are capable of upgrading to T5U
12 T5 of which a fleet version exists and that are capable of upgrading to T5U
Klingon Defense Force:
5 T6
8 T5 of which no fleet version exists and that are capable of upgrading to T5U
4 T5 of which a fleet version exists and that are capable of upgrading to T5U
Romulan Flotilla:
5 T6
6 T5 of which no fleet version exists and that are capable of upgrading to T5U
6 T5 of which a fleet version exists and that are capable of upgrading to T5U
I did not bother to also count the number of free level 40 ships, the lock box ships, the mirror ships, the event ships, or the 200k fleet credit /20k 4module ships that are only acquirable through the fleet stores (such as the Science Vessel Retrofit). All these ships are acquirable through the zen store, and in some cases through fleet stores.
Lets add the numbers:
FED: 23 non-fleet, 35 total
KDF: 13 non-fleet, 17 total
ROM: 11 non-fleet, 17 total
So, just like shpoks, I'm danged curious how you came up with the 20-20-10 number. If you don't believe mine, you can manually count for yourselves right here.
So all in all the KDF is, even according to your criteria, to which I do not agree, 10 ships behind what the Fed offers, and 18 ships behind what the feds offer in total. The difference in non-fleet version ships KDF and Romulan-wise is 2, and that can be explained by the KDF ships Guramba Siege Destroyer and Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser having never received the much-desired Fleet upgrade. In total, you'll find the KDF and Romulans perfectly equal. And yes, by these criteria, the Federation owns 1 ship more than the other two factions combined.
Now, I can start wizarding with my numbers, and claim that any 3 pack ship is actually just 1 ship. That would flatten out the difference between Fed on one side, and KDF/Rom on the other. However, there would be absolutely 0 change in the differense between Rom and KDF.
So yeah, while I agree that the KDF and the Romulans deserve much more ships, the KDF deserves them just as much as the Romulans. Certainly not less.
And as some friendly advice: don't insult other forumites or use phrases as "get pissed on" followed by another insult. It is going to carry you absolutely nowhere.
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If you're going to put up a post questioning someones intelligence, at least have the decency to learn to spell and properly format a sentence.
If someone addresses your issue incorrectly, it's likely due to the fact that your post is little more then the incoherent ramblings of someone looking for attention.
Since a buttload of man hours goes into creating a ship, it only makes sense they cater to those who actually buy said ships. You don't build a cars for robots if most of your customers are androids.
In addition, Star Trek shows and films focused on Starfleet so there are far more of those in canon than the others. So they gotta make up new stuff and that can be hit or miss.
One of the worst copout answers out there.
There have been other Star Trek games that have been centered on something outside the Federation, but I guess your knowledge of Trek games didn't know that.
Other Star Trek games with single or multiplayer aspects that have allowed multifaction play have done it right. They've gone through the extra efforts on making sure the gameplay experience regardless of the faction you chose was an equal, good experience. When it came to ships, other game developers have made the effort in making up indigenous ships for that game for the other factions to even the rosters out.
Star Trek Birth of the Federation had an even out strategy game experience that allowed you to play as the Federation, Klingon Empire, RSE, Cardassian Union.
Starfleet Command series have allowed extensive faction play outside the Federation, esp the earlier titles in the series. Starfleet, KDF, RSE, Gorn Hegemony, etc. The developers had NO shortage of ships to flesh out the ship rosters for the many factions found to be playable iin these games.
Also, other MMO titles have offered multi-faction play. And I've yet to see them **** it up like Cryptic does with STO and the Non-Fed playable factions. I've yet to see them do the high levels of complete neglect Cryptic does with its factions.
Just because Cryptic makes it a point on ****ing up multifaction development doesn't make it a standard thing in Star Trek gaming nor gaming as a whole. Other developers do the extra effort in making sure their factions are featured evenly. Cryptic is not one of them.
Let's see here...
And I'm the one with no brain here? :rolleyes:
If you start using at least 1-st grade level of grammar and punctuation maybe people would have better idea as to what you're rambling about.
But here you go for the lulz, this one is on the house:
(Rank up ships)
- Fed = 16
- KDF = 15
- Rom = 7
So still no trace of your 20 vs 20 vs 10 wise guy. Perhaps if you had any remote idea as to what are you ranting about, you'd start making some basic sense.
Budget development a la carte
Smugness noted.
What I don't understand about your answer is the implication that since a single-player game and a combo single-/multi-player game from 15 years ago did something of which you approve, STO is (somehow) obligated to do the same.
Couple of points of order here:
I think drawing comparisons against those games is specious. Different genres, different goals, y'know?
As for your comment that other [unnamed] MMO titles have offered multi-faction play that meet your [unenumerated] standards--well, bully for them. Implying that Cryptic is somehow guilty of producing a game that isn't those other games is about as useful as saying that Ford is guilty because it doesn't build Chryslers.
That people continually make choices that limit their options, and then complain about the lack of options, has always confused me. These are the same people that buy a house next to the airport and then complain about the noise. No one forces a player to choose the KDF or Romulans as a faction. I'll stipulate that players aren't likely to know the limitations of those factions prior to playing the game, but once they figure it out, and make a conscious decision to keep playing them despite the lack of options--whose fault is it if they become unhappy? (Assuming, of course, that there's even a fault to be assigned?) It's as logical as "I keep eating all the cookies in the bag, but I'm still gaining weight!"
I'm halfway convinced people do this stuff just so they can complain. It seems like some people just aren't happy unless they're...unhappy.
Most MMo games that I've enjoyed from both sides have had equal treatment. I prefer the game play on the Kink side, but I'm peeved at the lack of genuine ship choice.
A more proper analogy would be Ford releasing commercials all over the media that they make Chryslers and when people come to Ford with the intention to buy a Chrysler the salesman goes "lol
this is startrek, startrek is about fed - thats why the overall amount of ideas is probably bigger in fedships than kdf/rom.
second. starfleet is known for having many many special-mission ships designed for special task and so on (which in terms of military-economy is quite stupid ;-) )
third: kdf is rather known for the opposite approach of having less ships but more universally capable ones.
these are more like franchise wise reasonings.
now ingame wise:
the number of ships available doesnt really hit any faction balance, cause basically all those many different fedships arent adding "really" new builds. i mean: having an intel cruiser and one intel damagedealer always felt quite sufficient on my kdf. (im only missing an intel bird of prey i must admitt)
also most players ARE in FACT favoring the fed when it comes to char ratio. i have 7 fed, 1 rom and 2 kdf. (but this may be a result of the fact that there ARE more ships in fed than kdf)
now more or less company reasoning:
its "eaasier" for them to get fed-char-based-players to buy fed ships, than it is to make kdf sellings.
why?
i think hitting the spot on kdf players is very difficult, they dont know what kdf players expect and often miss the "oh i want that" point, thats why sellings on kdf are drastically lower.
i bought the fed command and the rom command. my kdf was just so damn unpleased about the looks of the ships i wont buy them - result: pwe will even LESS often desihn kdf ships because they dont sell.
what pwe misses, is that it sells so bad because they (purposly?) design horrible looking OR horrible seatedor horribly traited ships ...
i would have had to buy all the kdf ships to make a "decent looking" one ... with my fed i was very pleased with the concord basic and the vastaam basic.
basically i would say:
pwe doesnt make many kdf ships because they just dont have skill in designing them and meeting players expectations, so they do it less, because its mostly a lose-lose-situation for both sides: theyi nvest rescources in designing ships, that most probably arent sold well and cause more uproar than satisfaction.
designing and selling ships in the federation department is just so much more satisfying for both ends.
im not saying im okay with it, its just the reasoning behind it.
Klinks and Roms can select any non-fed ships.