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Shouldn't we have access to some free level up ship?
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From Level 1 to 50, you would get a ship token for a standard ship of that tier. Gold players could also get a token for vice admiral ships, but the free player didn't get that one.
The token just gave the most basic version of a ship of that Tier - no Refits or Retrofits.
Why isn't there such a thing for Tier 6?
Shouldn't a few non-fleet basic Tier 6 ships exist that players can get from becoming Fleet Admiral?
The token just gave the most basic version of a ship of that Tier - no Refits or Retrofits.
Why isn't there such a thing for Tier 6?
Shouldn't a few non-fleet basic Tier 6 ships exist that players can get from becoming Fleet Admiral?
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edit/ the blag for the devs would be making 9 new ships that are slightly worse than t5 and slightly better than t4. And it wouldn't make them any money....
The answer is obvious. Because they can't make money out of that.
I still think the whole t6 thing is worst TRIBBLE up cryptic ever made. And the list of TRIBBLE ups is very very long at this point,
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Using a free ship is like adding another difficulty level!
I think that is a fundamental problem - other than the money-maker argument - not enough ships.
But lazyness and greet make a bad pairing.
Slightly unrelated question:
That whole "delta rising is the best expension ever and players love it"... I'm curious.... Where does it come from? Did someone seriously say that?
Gecko said it and it's become the source of an embarrassing joke for the devs by the community.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I believe it was what Gecko said during a Podcast or something a few weeks after the launch when everyone was smacking face first into the 50+ levelling wall.
Now you've gone and done it...
Short answer: Yes. It was said as a passing comment at the launch of the Delta Rising expansion and it would have been forgotten if a member of Cryptic's senior staff hadn't said it again and again in a podcast a few weeks later in the middle of something I have named "Bug-Pocalypse"
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LOL, thats exactly the word I have been looking for playing STO the past couple of weeks.
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Honestly that's really all i can say about that. Lol.
Bugpocalypse, I'll have to remember that term....
you don't need better then standard T-5 for the game content, that's why.
You need better for elite difficulty and pvp. But this is your choice, and they are charging for it.
So sadly for you no, there is no need for it.
But on the bright side you can get all of ZEN ships whit dilitium, you just need to play the game for 30 days, and you will have zen for new ship. And loby ships whit EC. Just chill and play the game.
If i could buy Delta pack whit dili. and now the command ship full pack whit dili. so can you. Explore the game.
Second, they do actually give away T5 or better ships pretty regularly. Risa gives away a T5u cruiser and escort (and T6 whatever they're giving away this year), Q gives away a Breen cruiser, raider and carrier. Then there's the anniversary ship, which is usually pretty decent. All of these are better than T5. (Yeah, there's a grind for them, but it's a pretty fast and easy one. And with the discounts in effect recurring players who have more than one character are going to find it easier and easier with each year.)
Then there are the give aways. The past 2 years (at least) they've given away T5 ships around August/September. I remember running a lot of STFs in my free Nebula, before I got the Vesta 3 pack.
I don't see them adding more free T5 ships that aren't tied to an event.
You could have done the old Tier 5 content with Tier 4 ships (probaby even Tier 3) ships, too. That's hardly an argument.
Though maybe what we should really get as Fleet Admiral is a Tier 6 Desk. Or a Starbase.
You don't speak for me!
Love these entitlement threads.
You deserve nothing.
Go pay for a copy/pasted T6 ship.
If you don't like it stop playing and whining here.
[Takes off white knight hat]
There's no money in it for them to do what you ask. While it would be nice if they rewarded paying customers, they'd rather make another lock box, nerf more stuff and revamp things that no one wants revamped.
Fair and balanced, have a nice day.
You actually only get ships from level 1 to 40 if you're a free player:
Level 1: Starter ship!
Level 10: Starship Requisition (Lt. Cmdr.)
Level 20: Starship Requisition (Cmdr.)
Level 30: Starship Requisition (Capt.)
Level 40: Starship Requisition (Rear Adm.)
Level 50: Starship Requisition (Vice Adm.), if you're a 600 Day Veteran.
That said, I've been playing this game for two years or so now, and there's almost always a free endgame ship on offer that is "better" than the free level 40 ones. Grind maybe - but free, and I see the ship grinds as part of the endgame content. The current one is very good - I'd probably scan those anomalies to make free upgrades at any time, no ship required.
Since I've been around (Fed side, because I don't really play my KDF):
T5 Nebula Giveaway (I think, wasn't eligible at the time, as low level)
Risian Corvette
Obelisk Carrier
Plesh Brek Raider
Dyson Destroyer
Cruiseliner (awesome cruiser, my Ferengi alt uses it exclusively)
T5 Ambassador C Store giveaway
Sarr Theln Carrier
Samsar
I MAY have even forgotten some. Averages better than one every 3 months. Playing supercasually, I'd imagine a free ship would come along before you needed one.
That said, I'd see a fair way to "improve" this would be to make a "free level 60 T5U token" that only works on the free T5 starships. Perhaps only give them 2 or 3 mastery levels to further incentivize moving up to something better. Give a taste of what T5U can do, and maybe more people would grind dilithium to move up to a better ship.
I agree level 40 ships aren't very good at level 60+, but this problem existed before. At level 50, you either bought a T5.5, or bought a Fleet ship, or whatever. The level 40 ships were very basic before DR, now they are just moreso.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I wasn't sure if there isn't a non-VA level up token at level 50. But anyway - the point is you could get a non-fleet Tier 5 ship for free before as a free player. You can't get a Tier 6 ship.
Granted, Gal Retrofit sucks, but I got one.
Back then subscribers got "free ship tokens" -- so that you could get a ship. It didn't quite translate into the C-store unlock because the ships available were char-based and not acct-based.
It was either subscribers or LTS that got this. I don't think it happens anymore, since the change to F2P.
Actually using a basic sovereign(assault cruiser) works just fine in lv60 story content. Can't speak for adv queues tho, I've never tried that, been busy mastering all the free t5u and t6 ships lately
It still is there, but only for 500 or 600 day veterans.
A bit of a tangent, but their nomenclature for ship Tiers is so horrible and imprecise.
The level 40 ships and level 50 ships are both called T5, with 9 consoles.
Then the Fleet ships are also T5, but they're 10 console ships like some Lockbox/Lobi ships.
Oh, but some Lockbox ships (Mirror) are "consolation" ships, and not T5(50) but T5(40) and can't hit T5-U, either.
Okay, so the level 40 (ex. Patrol Escort) and level 50 (ex. Patrol Escort Refit) are kind of similar, even though the Refit/Retrofits can have higher shields and hull. I can accept them being lumped under "T5".
But the Fleet ships and (some of) the Lockbox ships with 10 consoles should not be T5.
It should be more accurate to denote the former two as T5 and T5.5, considering the levels we can get them, and the Fleet/Lockbox/Lobi ships with 10 consoles should have been T6.
Everything is straight forward prior to level 50, where you get access to a new tier of ships and they're all better than lower tiers. Then after we get "T5" at level 40, we get "better T5s" and "even better T5s" at 50.
It was a deliberate choice of words to sidestep the whole "no, there won't be new tier of ships, you're buying the best" thing, resulting in "T5" telling us nothing useful. What a mess.
T6 ships are significangly stronger...,
I should have been clearer - when I said endgame, I meant the advanced queues and other stuff that we're supposed to do when done story content.
That said - no matter WHAT ship you fly, gear and skills can have more to do with how things work out than the extra console slots/hull/etc.