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Escorts.. Why buy them?
rossclansforce1
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I have seen escorts get punished harshly with the new content. You can set them up for increased survival but your dps drops. The most I have seen "recently" is 32K. The torpedo build is about to get nerfed though. So we are left with a cruiser build on a ship that has less survival..
Why T6 escorts? They come with less survival than a T5, have increased dps agro, and have a passive trait unlock.
If any of you disagree on what I have said, please let me know. I have people lined up for build advice on an escort doing over 30K dps using escort cannons not beams, and being able to survive longer than a cruiser.
Escorts.. remove them from the game to keep up? Put them in the shuttle area? Where are we headed on this?
Why T6 escorts? They come with less survival than a T5, have increased dps agro, and have a passive trait unlock.
If any of you disagree on what I have said, please let me know. I have people lined up for build advice on an escort doing over 30K dps using escort cannons not beams, and being able to survive longer than a cruiser.
Escorts.. remove them from the game to keep up? Put them in the shuttle area? Where are we headed on this?
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On the other hand you could try pointing them here, I haven't covered all the escorts but most builds are portable with the minimum of thought.
Escorts? Still king of dps. Though you see some of the fed's top dps'ers as cruiser pilots, that's because Bagel and Sarcasm just happen to generally like cruisers. RyanSTO and the FPER of doom alone speak to this. Cruisers are more survivable, but won't hit the numbers of an escort. That's true at the top-dps levels and for casual players alike. That's kind of innate to the ship design, how it used to be, and how it still is.
SCM - Hive (S) - [02:31] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 30.62M(204.66K) - Fed Sci
Tacs are overrated.
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But I digress.
Playing styles, higher hit points, and the ease of use mean cruiser types are more prevalent.
Not everyone is a fan of cruisers, science, or escorts, hence the ability to not only mix match captains on ships regardless of class skills, but the choice of deciding what to fly that fancies your style?
I think people get so worked up over the FOTM stuff they forget to just have fun regardless if its what everyone else is doing.
Is all about the intel skills Rossclan.:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAy4RimcNfw
warmaker001b
My comment about the torp nerf was in regards to torp spread 3. I don't have a link to the post and wish I did or I would post it. The new delta neutronic torpedo was also mentioned. The problem is.. an escort with both the torp and ability gain major spike damage.
adamkafei..
that is about the best collection of build information I have seen. Thank you very much for sharing it. I will go through it and send them the link.
ddesjardins
exactly how I feel. cruisers are easier making pilot error difficult. they last longer in game. they can with the right build do more dps than an escort. I would love to see Ryansto run a cannon intel escort and get 100k dps. That would make my day.
bunansa
That is exactly why my tactical officer still has an escort. I can pilot one and have fun with it. Cruisers just seem better built to take the current punishment of the game. It is why I asked for ideas here. I still have yet to see a current cannon escort do above 30k.
bravecatherine
do you have a dps tracker? If you dont.. click on my signature image. It will take you to my fleets website. On the front page there is a link to the download site. My post isn't about spike damage on a single target. It is about overall dps. Nice video by the way. Looks like fun.
adamkafei
I have used OSS and Engi team before. I didn't like it because shields like to drop once in a while. Is there a way to setup a keybind for this? Do you have a link to making keybinds? It might make this a better option.
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I do, there's one at the bottom of the majority of my build pages however unless you have eng team on global I don't recommend keybinding the combination, better to watch the active timer on the OSS tooltip and use eng team as it reaches 3 seconds as the system shutdown from OSS is an instant thing as soon as the active timer reaches zero meaning the eng team overlap protects you.
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The new torps always seem to have some sort of issue, whatever the new torp is. The Enhanced Bio-Molecular was ridiculously OP before they fixed how it interacted with TS1-3, and it's still a great weapon (a big booma THY that is untargetable?).
I took a long break & haven't gotten the Delta torp yet, but I can say that my B'rel torpedo boat can handle all sorts of stuff that would likely melt my Mat'Ha.
TS3 seems a lot less useful to me these days, even when solo'ing Elite-level content. Now that I can train my own THY3 (off of my Tactical alt), I'm happier with the spike damage output.
Anyway, if they nerf any one torpedo type, I've got a whole pile of other gear I can switch to. I'm all about collecting the torpedos
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
Well, if that's true, it's hilarious.
Apparently nobody has a problem with beams firing all over the place and destroying everything (BFAW) with Faceroll Ease.
But Torpedoes actually doing something other than getting negated? Despite that Torpedoes are the wrecking balls in Star Trek and the preferred means of destroying something? That shouldn't happen in STO?
Bah... This game...
Science has the same problem, people killing people in 5 seconds with energy weapons? No problem, people dying in 20 to science stuff? "Nerf sci!"
Two entirely different play styles... much more than the sci/eng/tac difference.
Cruisers are slower paced and give you more time to battle and much less getting in position. You can park and shoot... you can slowly circle and kill things with a million cuts all the while not stressing out over position or even worrying about that HY torp coming at you. (more health and bfaw)
Escorts are fast and if your not going fast... stop flying them now. They have defence to spare... ONLY if your moving. Parking them is only recommended in very short bursts if at all. Speed tanking works... but its much more FPS like twitch gaming and most people cant do it well enough to say its better than a cruiser.
I run both, and prefer escort because it feels like im playing the game not just circling something pressing space bar and seeing the pretty lights. But i love flight games that are forward firing guns and am used to the pace of the fights.
Something like this.
I don't find that they do.
Faceroll ease? Yes. Actually destroy anything? It always feels like nothing dies until I turn my cannons on it.
But it's not like I'm queuing with some 100kers.
Sci cpns can totally make the pew-pew'er loose control of his ship with the debuffs and scrambles and wells and rifts etc etc.. Pew-pew'er gets mad he can smash his forehead on space bar and win as usual.. and so he goes to ***** to his mommy for nerfs
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-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
Don't get hung up on DPS as the only measuring stick for everything. It's a good metric when used in the right context, but not everything is the right context for DPS.
my max is a little less then 37k on isa pug (flying a t5u contortrix)... I think it's possible dealing more dps, but you need assistance both to maximize your dps and to survive (it's not easy resisting to several borg spheres or a tactical cube).
However it's true: escorts + cannons are nothing compared to a good cruiser with faw.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
The only thing atypical about that is that you're running an engineer. Beamscort phantoms are the way to go.
SCM - Hive (S) - [02:31] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 30.62M(204.66K) - Fed Sci
Tacs are overrated.
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Build questions? Look here!
All classes are worthy to try, settling on the best to fit your preference. Playing escorts because they are escorts is not the best way to play the game. As suggested earlier, it's not about the gear, it's about the pilot and his skills.
Having said that, when I see an escort in a PUG, I expect that ship to outgun my cruiser and live through it all. From a certain point of view, s/he supports me and my efforts.