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... and the term "Mark Hoarding" simply didn't exist.
Nobody on these forums had any problem with it.
So why have certain people taken to using the term "Mark Hoarder" in a pejorative way? Why has it taken on the same implication as "Cheater"?
Are people really that easily manipulated by Cryptic or are the people calling others "Mark Hoarders" just following what they imagine to be Cryptic's party line?
Seriously, what gives?
Nobody on these forums had any problem with it.
So why have certain people taken to using the term "Mark Hoarder" in a pejorative way? Why has it taken on the same implication as "Cheater"?
Are people really that easily manipulated by Cryptic or are the people calling others "Mark Hoarders" just following what they imagine to be Cryptic's party line?
Seriously, what gives?
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People have complained about that too.
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Maybe some aren't "hoarding" to speculate but because the whole conversion proces is tedious to the extreme, the dil weekend is just a bit extra motivation. People have been asking for a mass conversion project, even if the timer was increased on it, to save on the tedium of click->slide->click->click and then rinse and repeat.
The items hand in has also been complained about, for the same reason and a mass conversion there would help too.
In the same way the marks weekend motivates people to go to Nakura abd Defari Invasion zone.
Sure it is a wise business decision.
But that doesn't mean it was actually intuitive? Most players don't have all the details about the game. Some may not be aware of what the Dilithium Event actually boosts and what not, or that they exist, or how regular they come around. So some people will just assume the logical thing - I got spare marks, so I put them in the Dilithium Grinder project. Makes perfect sense, perfectly intuitive.
Except they should have not done that. They should have waited for one of those special days or week-ends. And so they have yet another disadvantage compared to more experienced players.
One toon has about 40k worth of marks built up through play since October and has something like 500k unrefined dil.
As things stand, there is no point in me doing anything with the marks such as converting to dil as I'll earn more dil through normal play each day.
Some people are trying really hard to make kissing dev. posteriors an Olympic sport.
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This is where I'm at. I have around 1k Delta marks built up since all the patrols I'm having to do to level. And when I do ground action at Kobali. I usually turn in around 2-4 rounds worth. So I usually sitting on around 1k all the time. I just don't have time to keep clicking to turn them all in at once. I will finish them off once I get to Lv60. As then I won't have more to build up.
Granted not the same amount as yours, but its enough for someone like me who don't play often.
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To me, I explained my situation. I built up enough that I turn in a few rounds. And still have plenty to spare. I'm not about to sit my entire playing time clicking them to turn them in. Eventually I will get them worked down. Just like the other reps where they give a lot of marks for hitting the last Tier. I worked them down too over time.
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Especially the nukara marks reputation window, where it's like the 4th windown from the buttom, you can't scroll directly to it and have to waste time finding it hundreds of times, ugh no thanks.
I'd rather just lose that dil, that's how terrible the design is.
Not unlike when they had people moving sliders for hypos in the rep systems yargh who is the guy who comes up with this.
So like with all the other broken systems, leveling, upgrading, crafting, boff, doff - you name it, it's entirely up the developers to actually start producing, adding to the game, fixing all these problems they built by moving numbers around in notepad.
I don't know, often times it seems like they aren't doing anything at all, so they slap some notepad copy-paste text nerf together, then call it a "system change" to give the people upstairs the impression, that they did actually work that month and though it's super weak, it at least made them money.
Me on the other hand, I am pretty f' far from impressed
I can't wait for the next specialization skill to come out and have people whining on the forums about those having maxed the tree within hours because they're "specialization point hoarders."
It's all a bit pathetic.
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Becuase some people need to feel the personal validation of white-knighting so badly that the object of their defenses can never, ever do wrong. It's not them, it's everybody else.
That's my take anyways. I could easily be wrong. Seeing the sudden shift in labelling a very, very common and sensical play method, i.e. "saving", has made me a little nauseus, honestly.
If they nerf those, I wonder how I will be called.
Doesn't mean the event will be as good as it used to be for most players. They will just stop complaining. I know I will, but I'm not going to play the dil event from now on. I'm not interested anymore, that's it.
You should known the biggest threat is from the silent part of the community. Not from the vocal one.
I find it abhorrent. Massing marks was a sound decision, it's not their fault it didn't pan out.
We need to be belittling them for their childish tantrum over a few purple rocks, not for their perfectly reasonable forethought. I mean hell, I held off on converting marks too, and I'd wager a lot of you did as well. I didn't stockpile them expressly for this purpose, but the ultimate result isn't any different.
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I've got 20+ mining claims saved up ready to use this week and thanks to this mess and the extension i'll rake in 20K in dilithium i'd never have bothered collecting outside of dilithium weekends...so is that an exploit?!?! Nope, I'm just using my head and cashing in when i'll get the best return for my playtime.
Am I an exploiter - No.
An exploit would be an unintended loophole in the game that allowed players to take advantage in an unfair manner, beyond what should normally be possible. That is what happened in Tau Dewa last year where certain patrols were being farmed heavily as the rewards were out of sync with everywhere else. This is nearly the always the result of shoddy game design or the loopholes shouldn't be there, especially as this one in particular was pointed out on the test server but ignored by the devs.
Am I a cheater - No.
Cheating would be actually breaking the game rules or code and that is pretty much impossible without hacking the code or something. I'd definitely not call cashing in at the best time cheating, you're using the game exactly as it allows you to.
Am I making a sensible decision based on getting the best return - YES.
This sort of thing happens all over the world every day, on the stock markets, in discount sales, when you buy you currency for a foreign holiday. All you are doing is waiting for the time when you get the best return for exchanging your cash, goods or items.
If the devs who made this game couldn't see the the vast majority of players would spot the dilithium weekend as a perfect chance to cash in an get a good return on their items then this game is in some very poor hands i'm afraid.
The ones who should be getting the blame here are the game's dev team - they made the game how it is and any possible shortfall in their profits because players found a good way to get a good deal in their fault.
We the players only play the game, and we will always find the path of least resistance, that's not cheating, exploiting or using dirty underhand tactics....that is being savvy with our time and resources.
If the devs don't like how we play and think we should be doing something that fits how the game is meant to be played in their eyes then they are developing the wrong sort of game. They should just change STO into a completely linear game with no decisions allowed and only time gates and pay gates to let you progress.
This is clearly the route STO is turning towards, any free thought is punished with extra costs or time-gates, or if you are really thinking for yourself then what you're doing will likely get a nerf to force you off it.
Sounds like fun. Is that on before or after the hate bandwagon drag racing? :P
Anyhoo this is the first I've heard the term. It seems a little silly since hoarding is pretty much all you do at the endgame. You don't even need to try, the marks accumilate as you play regardless and it's not long until you have a decent collection going.