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darkbladejk
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I hear time and again the devs and people saying they want honest feedback on things, so per their statements asking for feedback I'm going to be honest about what I see.
After reading the official response to the "misinformation" in the dilithium event post I'm calling shenanigans on this one. You guys wonder why people get angry at the devs and staff of the game, stuff like this is a reason why. You guys had ample time to correct a simple text issue before the event went live yet it didn't get done. You guys say it was because of something not properly updating to reflect the changes and while stuff like that can and will happen from time to time, I find it extremely hard to believe that someone didn't log onto the website, or into the game to make sure everything looked right, and find it hard to believe something like this was so easily missed. As I said, you wonder why people get angry at the devs, staff and otherwise, stuff like this, where you allow people to believe they're getting one thing, and then give them another, is exactly why people get angry. Furthermore they have a legitimate reason to be angry. If stuff like this didn't happen so often it would only be a minor annoyance, but this is ridiculous.
You don't want people getting the bonus on claiming a tier 5 reputation, okay cool I can understand that. However what I find ridiculous is removing the bonus to mark conversions when there is no legitimate need to do so other than wanting a nerf to dilithium. You say you're making marks valuable outside the event hinting that they're worthless outside the event, which isn't so. Without the event going on they're worth 500 dilithium currently per every 50 you turn in. I hardly call that worthless. Removing the mark conversion bonus isn't "protecting the value of mark conversion" it's a straight up nerf and you guys need to call it what it is. You're fooling yourselves if you think it's going to come across as anything but a nerf.
You say that part of the reason the nerfs were made is because people saved up so many marks and the conversion rate of marks to dilithium skyrocketed. You guys can't honestly tell me you expected people to use their marks right then, when they could wait and get extra during a dilithium event. You say that this effected the value of marks, when in actuality, it did nothing of the such. The bonus is a temporary thing, and marks will always have their value. The point of a dilithium event is to give out extra dilithium, and as such for people to make more dilithium than they ordinarily would otherwise. What's the difference between someone hording a ton of borg neural processors, voth cybernetic implants, undine isomorphic injections, or running a ton of dilithium claims across many toons? The answer, there isn't one. It's the same general principle, people hold onto those things because they know they'll get more for them during the dilithium event.
You guys say you're committed to making dilithium easier to get, and you want to make it easier for people to do so. If that's the case then I challenge you to prove it, remove the nerf to the mark conversion bonus and put it back into place for the duration of the event. You guys say you're committed to making it easier to get dilithium, yet you turn around removing a bonus to one of the best ways to get bonus dilithium, thus defeating part of the purpose of the dilithium event to start with, gaining extra dilithium.
So yes when you don't correct something as simple as a text error before the event goes live, be it by the system messing up, or just not doing it, or what have you, then yes people are going to get angry. When you say you want to make dilithium easier to get, yet nerf mark conversion bonus, people are going to get angry. You say you want to make it easier but you nerf the bonus, then you question why people get angry. In all cases, yes the players have a right to be angry. Be it unintentional or not, as I hope cryptic wouldn't cause this sort of situation on purpose, the players have a right to be angry. To the outsider it will appear as though you're saying one thing and doing another and intentionally lying to the playerbase. You may not intend it to come across that way, but that's the way it does come across. If you want to nerf dilithium, be honest and say you want to nerf it.
The longer you continue to operate this way, the more you're going to anger and alienate your player base, and rightfully so will they be angry. Extending the event to a week while having nerfed the bonus is a joke. I'm extremely disappointed in Cryptic this go around. As I said, if you want to nerf something, just say you want to nerf it. I don't mind a company saying they want to nerf something. I may not agree with the nerf, but at least they were honest about wanting to nerf it. When stuff is done in this way, it seriously makes me question my status as a gold member.
Sincerely, an angry gold member.
After reading the official response to the "misinformation" in the dilithium event post I'm calling shenanigans on this one. You guys wonder why people get angry at the devs and staff of the game, stuff like this is a reason why. You guys had ample time to correct a simple text issue before the event went live yet it didn't get done. You guys say it was because of something not properly updating to reflect the changes and while stuff like that can and will happen from time to time, I find it extremely hard to believe that someone didn't log onto the website, or into the game to make sure everything looked right, and find it hard to believe something like this was so easily missed. As I said, you wonder why people get angry at the devs, staff and otherwise, stuff like this, where you allow people to believe they're getting one thing, and then give them another, is exactly why people get angry. Furthermore they have a legitimate reason to be angry. If stuff like this didn't happen so often it would only be a minor annoyance, but this is ridiculous.
You don't want people getting the bonus on claiming a tier 5 reputation, okay cool I can understand that. However what I find ridiculous is removing the bonus to mark conversions when there is no legitimate need to do so other than wanting a nerf to dilithium. You say you're making marks valuable outside the event hinting that they're worthless outside the event, which isn't so. Without the event going on they're worth 500 dilithium currently per every 50 you turn in. I hardly call that worthless. Removing the mark conversion bonus isn't "protecting the value of mark conversion" it's a straight up nerf and you guys need to call it what it is. You're fooling yourselves if you think it's going to come across as anything but a nerf.
You say that part of the reason the nerfs were made is because people saved up so many marks and the conversion rate of marks to dilithium skyrocketed. You guys can't honestly tell me you expected people to use their marks right then, when they could wait and get extra during a dilithium event. You say that this effected the value of marks, when in actuality, it did nothing of the such. The bonus is a temporary thing, and marks will always have their value. The point of a dilithium event is to give out extra dilithium, and as such for people to make more dilithium than they ordinarily would otherwise. What's the difference between someone hording a ton of borg neural processors, voth cybernetic implants, undine isomorphic injections, or running a ton of dilithium claims across many toons? The answer, there isn't one. It's the same general principle, people hold onto those things because they know they'll get more for them during the dilithium event.
You guys say you're committed to making dilithium easier to get, and you want to make it easier for people to do so. If that's the case then I challenge you to prove it, remove the nerf to the mark conversion bonus and put it back into place for the duration of the event. You guys say you're committed to making it easier to get dilithium, yet you turn around removing a bonus to one of the best ways to get bonus dilithium, thus defeating part of the purpose of the dilithium event to start with, gaining extra dilithium.
So yes when you don't correct something as simple as a text error before the event goes live, be it by the system messing up, or just not doing it, or what have you, then yes people are going to get angry. When you say you want to make dilithium easier to get, yet nerf mark conversion bonus, people are going to get angry. You say you want to make it easier but you nerf the bonus, then you question why people get angry. In all cases, yes the players have a right to be angry. Be it unintentional or not, as I hope cryptic wouldn't cause this sort of situation on purpose, the players have a right to be angry. To the outsider it will appear as though you're saying one thing and doing another and intentionally lying to the playerbase. You may not intend it to come across that way, but that's the way it does come across. If you want to nerf dilithium, be honest and say you want to nerf it.
The longer you continue to operate this way, the more you're going to anger and alienate your player base, and rightfully so will they be angry. Extending the event to a week while having nerfed the bonus is a joke. I'm extremely disappointed in Cryptic this go around. As I said, if you want to nerf something, just say you want to nerf it. I don't mind a company saying they want to nerf something. I may not agree with the nerf, but at least they were honest about wanting to nerf it. When stuff is done in this way, it seriously makes me question my status as a gold member.
Sincerely, an angry gold member.
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My problem is that I can't really plan if something is stated one way and changed the day of a patch. Kudos on the quick apology, but the thing I planned to do during this event is now pointless. If you're going to nerf something tell me and tell me why.
I don't know why that's so hard for this game's dev team.
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That penalty has led to aberrant game play like hoarding because the items you can convert into Dil have an infinite shelf life so you can just pile them up for what is supposed to be a bonus to gameplay during that time and not a bonus to everything accrued before that time.
I thought they did .
Something about somewhere over the rainbow there will be dill in story missions and maybe something else too .
It's all very hard to do , so they are getting the "normalizing awards" (aka nerfs) done first , and it may or may not make Geko feel bad and he is all about not minding things over awarding , but he minds it if things under award ... .
(demonstrated clearly by this last nerf)
You're welcome to listen to two hours of doubletalk and contradictions in the previous Priority 1 interview with him from last week .
I hardly call 200 marks and 7 voth implants a hoard of items. If you do the dyson battle zone dailies, along with getting credit for at least 2 dinos, then you're bound to get at least that. Most of the time unless I'm saving for an item I do typically spend my marks and implants. All of this said why do you care how I or anyone else spends their marks? What business do you have telling others how to spend their marks. The answer, you have none. Your argument doesn't hold water.
The dilithium event is the equivalent of a sale on dilithium with marks and implants being the currency used to purchase it in this instance. In any sale the purpose of the sale is meant to move product, and generate interest in the item(s) by making them easier to purchase. If for example walmart sells a 4 gig flash drive at $4 a piece without a sale, then if you have $12 you have enough to buy 3 of them normally. Now if walmart decides to put them on sale for $2 each you are now able to afford 3 more flash drives for a total of 6 of them where as normally you could only afford 3. As such because of walmart's 50% sale you can now afford more flash drives.
Your argument assumes that there is no value to the marks and implants when the sale isn't active and that's just not the case. at the current rate, assuming there is no dilithium event going on, marks are worth 500 dilithium per 50, and implants are 1,000 per 3. Now with the dilithium event bonus it was, 750 dilithium per 50 marks, and 1500 per 3 implants. So with the 50% sale, you get more dilithium where as normally you only could get 500 and 1000. By your argument people waiting on the sale should be punished because they didn't want to pay full price, but wanted to benefit from the sale. As for the "hoarding" if the person wants to get as many flash drives as he can, why would he not wait until the sale to get more of them. That's not "hoarding" but being a smart shopper to make their money go as far as it can. You're not being penalized by buying at the full price of $4, you're just not benefiting from a bonus. Same thing in this instance, you're not being penalized by spending your marks at the standard rate of 500 per 50, you're still getting value from the marks, you're just not benefiting from a bonus.
The entire purpose of the dilithium event is to get more dilithium than normal and to allow people get more dilithium than normal. One of the best ways to do that was marks and implants. Yet they removed the bonus from that and as such, defeat the purpose of their dilithium event. Furthermore they allowed people to believe they would benefit from a bonus up until the day it went live, and only after it went live did they tell people that bonus was removed. Not only is that bad for their pr, but it's a very petty thing to do. The problem I have is they didn't tell it was nerfed until it went live. With as much time as they had there is no excuse to miss something like that, and to not have corrected a simple text fix.
If they were going to nerf the bonus, they should have said so ahead of time. I understand nerfs are going to come from time to time and I may not always agree with them, but at least be straight forward and tell me you're going to nerf it and why. Don't try to just sneak it in and hope it won't be noticed because that's dishonest and will make alot of people mad, and rightfully so. Once more they choose to punish the players for a problem they created. If I can hold my money/marks for a few days and benefit from a sale, why would I not do it. In the case of the walmart example, if they didn't want people making a run on flash drives and everyone to have a chance at them, simply cap it out at 50% off the first 2 flash drives. The entire point behind the event is to allow people more access to dilithium, and nerfing the bonus defeats that purpose. Not to mention the way they handled it was crappy. Had stuff like this not happened so many times before where they make a change, and don't tell anyone about it, then I would buy their apology, but since it's happened so much I question their sincerity.
Yes people have a right to be mad in this instance. if they were going to do this they should have said so ahead of time, not wait until the day of. One bonus was advertised yet another was received, so the flak they got from this was much deserved. I pay to support this game as a gold member and stuff like this makes me question that commitment. They wanted honest feedback and that's what they've gotten. What they do with it is up to them.
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Firstly, YOU sir are the problem seeing as how you can't stomach someone who dares voice a concern you disagree with. The problem here is they let people believe they would get one bonus and then the day of, change it. Yes there are other problems with the game yet you seem to think that disallows people to voice a concern they have. If I see something that concerns me, be it big or small, I'm going to voice that concern, and I do not need your permission to do so. So you don't think them saying one thing and us getting another, or them waiting until the day it goes live to announce a nerf, and not fixing a simple text error, is a a problem. You can't seriously be that dense. As I said if you bothered to read my posts (obviously didn't) then you would see how I said, I understand nerfs will come from time to time, but the problem I have is when they're not announced and they try to sneak them in under the radar. I also have a problem when they announce one thing, but we get another. Not only is that not cool, but it's outright petty.
The only toxic person here is you sir. The nerf to the event yes is annoying, BUT not the main thing that makes me angry. What made me and others angry is the fact it was not announced until the day of. As long as they had to fix a simple text error and it didn't get done until the day of. I get mistakes happen but honestly as often as it happens as I said, I question their sincerity and their efforts in this. When they say they want to make dilithium easier to obtain, or statements like that, then turn around and nerf this, it doesn't look good. So yes I question that statement of theirs and have every right to do so. If you don't see this as an issue, then more power to you, I however do. If they really wanted to make dilithium easier to get then they wouldn't have nerfed the mark conversion. So yes I question their decision on this.
To you sir I will say, welcome to the real world where not everyone will agree with you. Get off your high horse and look beyond your own tunnel vision. They wanted feedback and that's what they got. I highly advise you revisit your reading comprehension as from your post it's obvious you never read my post. If you had you would understand what I was saying. If you have a legitimate rebuttal to something I've posted, feel free to post, otherwise your arguments are baseless.
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You were informed of the change prior to the event. You aren't as important as you think so naturally nobody was dispatched on a pony with a golden envelope on a satin cushion to let you know. At the end of the day what difference would it have made if you were told a day prior or even a week? None.
And on that statement, I suddenly realize that doffing assignments will become all but impossible, because there likely will no longer be a list of assignments for each sector of space.
That would also mean of course, no ability to get rare commodities like Jevonite or Shapeshifting lockets, as those simply will not be thought about before the space map changes, and will then be impossible to put in later as per usual.
I'm calling it!
Then I moved on with my life.
Considering how seldom we get weekend events (although it's been getting better), I think I would rather have our dailies back. It would be nice if they quit trying to limit the resources, while adding more things that require them. Limiting them from bonus weekends really seems to be a jerk move at that, given i've put in the work already.
They've already said that on the in-house alpha build that assignments were working fine based on regions within the quadrant, so...
Despite what others been fussing/crying about. Mine turned out good.
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All without turning in a single Mark or BNP or whatever they are.
Cannot speak for others, but for me the chance to earn additional Dil by playing the parts of the game I usually play has been successful.
Wha...??!! It's back?! I wanted to have a run at a couple of foundry missions the other day but they were broken, then I swore I read in the patch notes that they still were, so never bothered to check... Thanks!
One has to also wonder why the Devs decided to change the way we train our boffs and how we change our loadouts. I mean....did the players ask for this?
Another thing that angers most players is the fact that week in and week out we see issues that have been around for over a year and even 2 years old still going unfixed and not mentioned in the "Known issues". Instead we see that once again they have put their time and effort into fixing "outfit clipping" issues and artwork!! Who the heck asked for an artwork change?? Do the Devs really think that changing some of the artwork is going to attract new players and bring in more money? Seriously, who asked for this TRIBBLE??
I think the Devs should actually talk to people that play the game instead of throwing stuff into the game that THEY think the players want.
Hmmm, give the players what they want....interesting concept. :P
Then I found out that they had extended the dilithium even to a full week, and was very very pleased. An entire week of earning bonus dilithium for mining and just playing the game certainly trumps been able to convert marks for me.
As to the marks conversion, it's still there, you still get the same amount you could always get. You still have a roof over your head, food in your stomach etc...
I bet in another thread you whined that you were sick of all the grind, yet here you are complaining that one of the reasons to grind has been reduced... Do a bit of everything, rather than grinding the same thing over and over, you'll have less to whine about that way. Plus you'll come out with more dilithium..
I was surprised at this as well. As I run them for Dil, and to break up the other missions.
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