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@Devs: please put in a good word for this ship
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first and foremost:
This is NOT, i repeat NOT a T5 Constitution thread.
It is about this Beauty:
created by john eaves. LINK
It's a early draft of the NX-01.
I'm not suggesting it should become a independent T5 NX class or something like that.
No, the first thing that came to my mind was "hey that look much more advanced than even kirks ship!"
For me it looks much more like 25th century design.
I especally like the side/front and top view and the short neck. The isometric (?) view looks too ordinary, since its nacelles are too far apart.
Wouldn't this beauty be a gorgeous 25th century Ambassador Vaiant?
This is NOT, i repeat NOT a T5 Constitution thread.
It is about this Beauty:
created by john eaves. LINK
It's a early draft of the NX-01.
I'm not suggesting it should become a independent T5 NX class or something like that.
No, the first thing that came to my mind was "hey that look much more advanced than even kirks ship!"
For me it looks much more like 25th century design.
I especally like the side/front and top view and the short neck. The isometric (?) view looks too ordinary, since its nacelles are too far apart.
Wouldn't this beauty be a gorgeous 25th century Ambassador Vaiant?
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
A tale of two Picards
https://youtu.be/d-f3bscZa0E?t=105(also applies to Star Trek in general)
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Cool looking mind.
What are some good synonyms for Ambassador? Envoy... no, I think that's an Exploration Cruiser varient... Viceroy... no, that sounds too close to the family of names used for the Assault Cruisers... Consul, maybe?
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
If we're talking about the NX, I'd love to see the conceptual NX refit.
Not to say I don't like the design in the OP - new designs are always welcome.
Alas, I think it's pretty difficult to get non-CBS-owned ships, designed by non-Cryptic employees, into the game. Not impossible, as seen by the Vesta, but difficult.
I'd call it Envoy-Type Refit and rename/remove the T4 Explorer skin (pulling an "Avenger" on it). Alternatively maybe "Emissary", if that's not otherwise occupied already.
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Plus I just really like the line work. Nicely drawn!
~CaptainSmirk
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Yeah that would be cool something to keep the excelsior as an iconic federation ship but also to maybe a 25th century design would be cool.
I think it could be a exemplar of a new 25th century ship design line without any big changes.
You know no tongue like saucer and no Odyssey/Excelsior -like proportions.
(small saucer, long nacelles *shudder* )
It would be a nice and refreshing alternative to Cryptics predominant 25th century designs.
As long as its proportions stay the same and no one changes its saucer to look like the avengers/odysseys, i am all for it.
As i already said it's got almost perfect proportions IMO.
Especially the front, side and top view look awesome. I think it is very important that a ship looks good from any angle (unlike some other designs
Give it the right size (maybe Galaxy Class size or bigger, think out of the box) and some visual options, like additional pylons that position the nacelles under the saucer or some additional saucers (longer or wider), even a bigger "Badonkadonk" like angrytarg charmingly said
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Thanks so far for your kind responses!
I think John Eaves did a real masterpiece with this ship concept.
Not far enough apart, imo.
One of, if not THE ugliest ship in all of ST? *barf*
Great ship design from John Eaves. But I can't resist posting this feedback:
I have issue with the placement of the impulse engines on this model. I like them, but they're too close to the warp nacellles, like another Eaves ship...
I've never been able to get over the Enterprise-B quad nacelle modifications by Mr. Eaves, because two of the impulse engines are right next to the warp nacelles. Like, literally pumping out propulsion right onto the fronts of the warp nacelles!
http://techspecs.acalltoduty.com/images/excelsior/ex1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/Trekriffic/Enterprise%20B/IMG_1112.jpg
I think it's one of the more horrendous design ideas by Mr. Eaves. Other than that, I'm a fan of his work.
Good suggestion. Who knows? Maybe we'll get something like it added to the game. (Or not. It does slightly resemble the STO Exeter-class design. Just enough.)
Can you see the top view?
The nacelles are clearly much more closer than at the isometric (big) view of the ship.
That's what i like about it, it's different and yet beautiful.
Nacelles don't have to be the dominant part of a ship (unlike at the Odyssey huge nacelles for example.)
A good balance between saucer-nacelle-engineering hull and their proportions in relation to each other are much more important IMO. Additionally the relatively short neck and elegant and yet sturdy looking pylons complete the design very well.
I wouldn't change much, heck i wouldn't even want a technical/angled looking surface like the sovereign has.
Keep it smooth and elegant looking.
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@tucana66
If you look closely, you can see a little note on the big sketch (ISO view) labeled "Impulse".
(it's not easy to read
The impulse engines aren't the big structures on the rear side of the saucer, but the small one in the middle.
(For me it suggests a really big ship, even if Mr. Evans didn't had a Galaxy/Sovereign sized ship in mind.)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :cool:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=366771
Personally, I'd welcome an NX-refit addition. Or the ship posted by the OP.
Actually to me it looks like the Noble-class Assault Cruiser with all the rough edges smoothed out (and maybe a few aesthetic touches borrowed from the Exeter-class cruiser). If this is actually a concept for the NX-class done pre-series for Enterprise though...it's likely both ships took cues from that design already.
1st sry for mi english.
i really like this one a mix of clasic desing and 25th tech i love to fly one of this
Sorry, i can't see much similarities between those two ships.
It's rather the culmination of things that make a Starfleet ship look beautiful.
So you mean that we shouldn't even think about this ship, because we already have two ships that coincidentally share some similarities with it? If you look like it from that perspective, there shouldn't be ANY starfleet ships having a saucer/nacelles/engineering hull anymore.
The thing that makes this ship special is the way all these elements work together.
It's a classic Trek design that looks very modern at the same time, without saying "hey look here, i look cool!", this design doesn't need that.
If i had the choice, i would have made the new Enterprise look like this ship (just make it 700-800 meters long).
I really hope that they consider introducing this design into the game.
To some extent, but the neck is still very distinct and doesn't disappear in the transition from saucer to engineering hull. I think the lack of a real neck is what is a major aspect of the Sovereign (and Intrepid) class of ships.
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I think we kind of have the "2409 refit" version of that as the Guardian class. Looked kind of blatant, to me, but I might be trying to see what i wanted to see.