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Possible Oversights in "Empress Sela"
bassmas314
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I've played the new story mission "Empress Sela" twice now, and I've noticed a couple of oddities regarding Federation ships the player encounters. In the Agrama System, the USS Rhode Island sometimes appears, but at other times is absent. Later in the Vulcan System, you get a message from Captain Va'Kel Shon saying that he'll follow your lead (he arrives as part of the Starfleet reinforcements alongside the USS Voyager and USS Loma Prieta), yet his ship, the USS Belfast, isn't named and is just a generic Defiant-class escort. Lastly, the configuration of the USS Loma Prieta is different; in the mission she is a Yamaguchi-class cruiser (the fleet-grade variant of the Ambassador-class), yet when you see her in drydock in the Sol System she's a standard Ambassador-class ship.
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More info here: http://sto.gamepedia.com/U.S.S._Loma_Prieta
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Isn´t that the mission whre you hear a recording of Spock, made 21 years after the Hobus Supernova? assuming he got dragged to the alternate Reality while he was trying to save Romulus that recording can not exist
You have to remember that the STO storyline has a timeline - at the time this mission takes place in the overall story Captain Va'Kel Shon IS the Captain of the Belfast and will appear again in the Cardassion arc missions that were "The 2800" FE series. He doesn't take commad of the Enterprise-F until after that mission series.
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I thought the same thing. That recording sounds like a final memoirs sort of thing, which Spock would have been recording as he was taking the red matter to the supernova, if not after the fact. I don't understand how Sela would have managed to acquire the recording. Additionally, Spock is admitting to guilt, that he failed the Romulans. It would have made more sense for Sela to be angered by a recording from the Vulcan senate refusing to aid the Romulans, rather than a recording where Spock says he attempted and failed to provide aid.
I believe I saw the Belfast named as well, but I didn't pay close enough attention to say for certain.
Related, later in the new story arc I momentarily saw a Romulan citizen mention something about Madran (spelling?) cutting off resources or something to that effect. Madran the Ferengi is from an entirely different mission, there should be no mention of him here, I assume Cryptic reused the Romulan civilians from that mission to populate the area in question.
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Madran does appear later in the Romulan arc (in the featured episode Mine Enemy), so I'd expect that this instance of mentioning him is just background info.
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It was background chatter (couldn't think of how to phrase it, thanks). And yes, Madran does appear later in the arc, but the chatter was phrased as if the civilian was on the planet with Madran, not on a Romulan colony world (i.e. copy/paste from that mission).
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Vulcan Ambassador says this to my Vulcan Captain.
Classic Cryptic. Just like "Second Wave" and "Of Bajor" have people not noticing that Kanril Eleya is Bajoran.
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To be fair, that line is voiced. I think it's unreasonable to expect them to have the actress record an alternate line for a single playable race.
I'm pretty sure Second Wave and Of Bajor both predate them even having the ability to give alternate dialogue based on your race, though I may be mistaken. The Delta Quadrant missions definitely make use of it: I got Vulcan-specific dialogue choices in Mindscape, and What's Left Behind apparently gives a bunch of different options depending on who you run it with.
So of course the Vulcans are trying to teach my Romulan about Romulans, and the RSE Ambassador doesn't seem to notice that I'm one of the RR rebels.
It's just a single dialog line though.
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It just makes sense as she served on an Ambassador for quite some time and we know Starfleet officers get attached. Her having the Ambassador class Loma Prieta as her personal flagship makes perfect sense to me, but I'm not actually sure. The only thing is and this is actually also perfectly logical, have the Loma Prieta moved to Starbase 39 Sierra for said reason. Some official traffic works well for a Starbase. You can't have DS9 without the Defiant being in the mix.
The rub is that he says 20 some years ago. It's the same as the voiceover that Spock gives when you enter Romulan space for the first time.
Personally I'm hoping that it's a temporally displaced message of some sort. Like the Romulans actually know precisely what happened to Spock and Nero.
Or it could be foreshadowing.
That Romulan may have escaped Hfihar. Which really makes it look horrible. This guy managed to get off that rock to tell the empire what that Ferengi was doing to them and instead either A) Sela ignored him or
Still it is something worth considering when writing and recording. T'Pela (who I'm overjoyed to see again) should say our people. It can be highly immersion breaking. In this instance it's rather noticeable as there are only two options. A fellow Vulcan for our people, or everyone else for my people.
Now there are numerous places where a more specific remark would lead to many options but this one stands out.
Where is that an oversight? That could have been easyly recorded between the destruction of romulus and stocks disappearing. According to countdown some stuff still happened in between those events.
The Problem is during the recording Spock specifically said 21 years ago, like he did in the intro. A recording from before he went into the black hole would not have that statement.
http://youtu.be/Si7L97RZidc?t=1m7s
Spock's comments are plainly from the present referring to the events of the past. From Spock as a narrator it makes perfect sense. As a Watsonian exposition apparently formed from Spock's log it is a serious continuity error, unless Spock somehow returned to his native timeline or Sela somehow obtained a log from Spock in the alternate timeline.
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But it still thickens the plot. 21 years ago. If Sela and the Iconians have access to Spock why hasn't she killed him...she certainly hates him enough.
Because it wouldn't be the same Spock, which traveled to the JJ-verse.
What they also did is change Tasha's face in the mirror universe episode, since it uses the same texture. IMO, they should have kept the old (younger) version there, since it doesn't make sense for them to be in the place for about twenty years with the Iconians still having not analyzed the Enterprise-C. Either an oversight, or Cryptic didn't feel like paying for the same actress twice.
As far as I could tell, the mission is just randomly putting hero ships into the mix as dynamic content.
Both times I've played it, I saw the Rhode Island and the Belfast, but not Voyager. However when I tweeted about this (mainly to wonder why they put the Rhode Island in there without so much as a single voice-over line from Garrett Wang), someone replied that he got Voyager but not the Rhode Island (he didn't mention the Belfast). The Loma Prieta seems to be the only constant.
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