However, any Boff Ability that you previously chose to train these Boffs with should still be available. All you need to do to restore the ability, is select from the appropriate UI on the Stations Tab.
After re-assigning their previous powers, you may need to update/refresh your current Load Out as well.
Maybe It's just me but I don't understand what you are telling me. So, are my abilities lost then?
... This script had the side effect of slotting these restored powers into active Stations .... but it was the only method we had available to ensure that these rare abilities were still available on the officers that were intended to have them, without forcing players to re-acquire them.
Thinking, "Our change will create confusion, and will force players to repair things on our behalf" is precisely the point to then conclude, "Therefore, we will NOT go ahead until we have a system that will work."
Seriously, you leave bugs around for years, why break one of the things that work?
Just want confirmation on this. Can you no longer use Boffs to train other Boffs? None of my candidates are able to train Boffs any more. I just want confirmation on this before I decide to clean out my Boff roster a bit.
That is confirmed. You can no longer use BO candidates to train commissioned BO's.
In fact, you can't use ANY BO to train another BO.
Fleet Admiral Joseph D. Ridgeway
The Armada
Original join date: Feb 5, 2010
Twitter: @davejl_99, & @STO_BBArmada
Maybe It's just me but I don't understand what you are telling me. So, are my abilities lost then?
No they are not lost. Instead you have two powers, one for free. The problem is it defaulted to the wrong one. Follow borticus's instructions in the first post to change back to the one you want.
No they are not lost. Instead you have two powers, one for free. The problem is it defaulted to the wrong one. Follow borticus's instructions in the first post to change back to the one you want.
That wouldn't be a problem if the **** loadout were not still bugged, and we had our stations shuffled with every map change.
That wouldn't be a problem if the **** loadout were not still bugged, and we had our stations shuffled with every map change.
There is a bit of me that placates this frustration via schadenfreude imagining how frustrated the poor coder who has been given the task of fixing this patch... What we're on six times now right? I can only imagine how bad that guy feels today to be told its broken again
How did the people at Cryptic have to change this, there is no reason for it. Please change it back to how it was. It worked just fine in the previous formay for bridge officer skills.
The change is just another part of their on going effort to monetize every little detail about this game. Take this approach, if it hasn't been tinkered with and monetized yet, give it time. It's coming.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
The icons were fine the disappearing boff's however that's not anything that needs fixing well spend our time an effort tweaking stuff that already works fine. wow you guys take the cake.
And boff training its easy simple no crafting required but wait it doesn't make money lets make it so if they want really good an cool boffs skills they'll have to craft and spend more dill and a bunch of them will run out faster and maybe buy Zen!!!!
Wow could you be more transparent this was not a gift to make the game better and more interesting is just another resource sink hole designed to make people spend more. We are not stupid why do you insist on treating us like we are????
I know what the rah rah's will say its a co. it needs to make money fine I get that what I hate is Lies we did this for you to make it so much better when it doesn't it makes it harder more complicated more mind numbing all to squeeze me for more cash.
I read about this new system to be "a better way to train your officers". What a load of, well you guys fill in the blank.
Not only have they taken the CSV III but they took away revers shield polarity III from 2 of my bridge officers and replaced it with other abilities. As a Tac I thought that I was just not going to be allowed to use it, but it appears as though they have completely remover it from the game as none of the engies I have talked to can train it any more. How can you have taken something off my bridge officer that was already trained, and not tell everyone you were going to remove it?
And on a side note... what the devil is with all the lag on ESD. Good god get your act together... if I had employees working for me that conducted my operations like this I would have kicked their division manager down the road as it looks like he is not doing his job and conducting proper oversight of his personal.
get it together
With the new patch today and the new BO system it seems that Cannon Scatter Volley 3
is now gone from the list of craftable manuals.
Is there anyway to train SCV3 on a BO and if not can this be address.
SCV3 for a cannon ship is important. We need this skill back in game soon.
Please do not put cannons at a further disadvantage vs beams.
Please need comment from cryptic on this.
Thank you
CSV3 was an ability that was previously obtainable only from certain uncommon, rare, or very rare bridge officers. It was not available from bridge officer trainers on stations, nor was it trainable by captains. Captain trainable abilities can now be trained using the Officer Training crafting school, but Cryptic has deliberately excluded rare boff abilities such as CS3, BO3, and TS3 from the Officer Training school. They have also removed the feature which allowed you to consume one boff to train another. As a result, rare boff abilities are currently not trainable. Cryptic has said this functionality will be added in the future. However, they have not provided an estimate of when it will be available.
Note: According to markhawkman, Lunge III and Viral Matrix III are available from the Officer Training school. These were previously rare bridge officer abilities. I have no explanation for the inconsistency; it's possibly a bug.
I logged in and had issues with the long loading time to get in the game only to get hit with lag and rubber banding plus Boff powers not being what they were a few hours ago when I logged out before the patch and the new Icons change made it worse, then to find out that the mini game was bugged as hell.
At this point I just had to log out and call it a day.
Well at least theyre consistent. They sure did not disappoint anyone. They still kept their track record in throwing out a very buggy update to celebrate their 5 year anniversary.
This brings back memories of when they 1st launched the game. Its nice to see that after 5 years they have not changed a thing.
If you are having trouble trying to get changed boff abilities to show on your ship's station tab and tray(s) in the HUD try reseating them in their stations (I do not use loadouts).
I had 2 boffs with changed abilities and after I set their abilities back to how I had them, the station tab showed wrong abilities (THY1 as a Lt power?) and they were not in my HUD tray. So I ended up swapping boffs in and out and everything seems to have lined up now.
That is confirmed. You can no longer use BO candidates to train commissioned BO's.
In fact, you can't use ANY BO to train another BO.
Thank you for the very useful information. This is a complicated system that will take some time for me to adjust for my Prime, and various Alts. The time commitment to make the adjustment is a barrier to play in game.
Barriers to play mean I set aside planned purchases. SERIOUSLY. I plan my activities in game, just as if this was a paid subscription game (which it essentially is, for me). This change means I must spend admin time, not game play time. My FUN TIME is impacted by this non-play activity.
This means I will not be purchasing my next set of key and service upgrades until I completely understand this system and get my BOFFs back to where I like them. I am not angry, and this is not rage. I really want to get across that this is exactly how I plan my activities and pace my purchases.
WTF...... what else needs to be said! how could you make one of the best ground weapons in the game ye another POS. Yet again another reason a tac toon is going to never be able to get close to a engy. what the devil. simply speechless. and where is my dil I spent to upgrade a gun that I would now never probably run again. I see where this is going. put out a good weapon, get people to spend time and energy..... and in some cases money, to upgrade a now P.O.S. ground weapon that you then turn around and "level" so that you can turn around and put out the next thing you want people to spend money on. the call that larceny by use of a trickery device... a class B felony in most states.
So disappointed with this development team now. Might go ahead and spend money on another game and not play anything till it finally comes out and say to hell with a development team who seems to not listen to its player base, and even pisses on it and tells them that it is raining.
That no one on the Dev team, Community team, or QA even thinks of using the in game announcement system to do this speaks of a FUNDAMENTAL problem with Cryptic policies and management in general (IMO).
Using the in-game system would only provide a momentary fly in for players logged into the game. Anyone not logged in currently would miss this message.
That is why we are placing this message in the Official Forums, for permanence and accessibility for all.
Please reduce your rage power settings.
~CaptainSmirk
WTH are you talking about - there used to be the ability for you guys to p[op up a LARGE ORANGE WINDOW on login which required a player mouse click to close.
(Unless that was removed to decrease client download times - along with a lot of you other content recently. In the old days even Brandon could get info into it after being asked about stuff in the forums after LoR launch.)
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Upon logging onto Holodeck today, after the 5th Anniversary patch, many players have noted that the abilities their Boffs currently own were changed. I'm here to tell you why that may have happened to you, and how to quickly deal with it.
Any Bridge Officer that possessed a "rare" ability had it restored to them via a fix-up script we ran on the Boff's data. This script had the side effect of slotting these restored powers into active Stations.
However, any Boff Ability that you previously chose to train these Boffs with should still be available. All you need to do to restore the ability, is select from the appropriate UI on the Stations Tab.
After re-assigning their previous powers, you may need to update/refresh your current Load Out as well.
We apologize if this causes players any inconvenience, but it was the only method we had available to ensure that these rare abilities were still available on the officers that were intended to have them, without forcing players to re-acquire them.
thay are not available so what must I do in that case
Upon logging onto Holodeck today, after the 5th Anniversary patch, many players have noted that the abilities their Boffs currently own were changed. I'm here to tell you why that may have happened to you, and how to quickly deal with it.
Any Bridge Officer that possessed a "rare" ability had it restored to them via a fix-up script we ran on the Boff's data. This script had the side effect of slotting these restored powers into active Stations.
However, any Boff Ability that you previously chose to train these Boffs with should still be available. All you need to do to restore the ability, is select from the appropriate UI on the Stations Tab.
After re-assigning their previous powers, you may need to update/refresh your current Load Out as well.
We apologize if this causes players any inconvenience, but it was the only method we had available to ensure that these rare abilities were still available on the officers that were intended to have them, without forcing players to re-acquire them.
I went ahead and checked several alts and my main and their bridge officer skills. I don't know what you guys are talking about at all. Skills still there? Hardly. Every one of my boffs reverted to original staus and the ONLY skills they kept were the Ensign, LT and LT cmdr skills, unless it was a level 3 one in which case it was replaced with some other nonsense.
There are red training manuals next to the skills I *used* to have and now my entire roster is all messed up with build-critical skills missing. I read that they might be re-introduced at a later time but I find that implausible, at least giving them back for free.
Your "patch" basically did a hard-restart of my entire boff line-up. Years of work and fine tuning. Destroyed by one of the worst patches/anniversary events you've ever come up with that has somehow actually found a way to make a boring grind even worse, flying us all around for what? So numbers can be padded that players are playing all over the game?
I know, I know..."keep my boffs! You'll release something down the road so I can get the skills back." Yeah. Sure. Uh huh. What's that "benefit" going to cost me?
Wow, you guys will find ANYTHING to ***** about, won't you...
CM
p.s. Thanks Cryptic for a pretty good Anniversary so far. I like the Boff thing once I figured it out, and I love the Episode with it's surprise rewards... 2nd Deflectors are great, and the Foundry addition is amazing!
p.p.s. I feel like there are some people who need someone else to look over there shoulder and tell them, "no, click here, and then select that, now do you see how that works? Do I need to hold your hand and walk you through it again?"
"Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." - Edwin Hubble
Upon logging onto Holodeck today, after the 5th Anniversary patch, many players have noted that the abilities their Boffs currently own were changed. I'm here to tell you why that may have happened to you, and how to quickly deal with it.
Any Bridge Officer that possessed a "rare" ability had it restored to them via a fix-up script we ran on the Boff's data. This script had the side effect of slotting these restored powers into active Stations.
However, any Boff Ability that you previously chose to train these Boffs with should still be available. All you need to do to restore the ability, is select from the appropriate UI on the Stations Tab.
After re-assigning their previous powers, you may need to update/refresh your current Load Out as well.
We apologize if this causes players any inconvenience, but it was the only method we had available to ensure that these rare abilities were still available on the officers that were intended to have them, without forcing players to re-acquire them.
Yet my 2 BOFFs that KNOWS gravity Well II, which actually SHOWS on the BOFF ability screen, can NOT be used in my power tray. It doesn't even show up in my abilities list. But low and behold, Viral Matrix II works just fine and it occupies the SAME commander slot....
I told people this BOFF change was wrong and BS......Turns out, I was right.
Wow, you guys will find ANYTHING to ***** about, won't you...
CM
p.s. Thanks Cryptic for a pretty good Anniversary so far. I like the Boff thing once I figured it out, and I love the Episode with it's surprise rewards... 2nd Deflectors are great, and the Foundry addition is amazing!
p.p.s. I feel like there are some people who need someone else to look over there shoulder and tell them, "no, click here, and then select that, now do you see how that works? Do I need to hold your hand and walk you through it again?"
1 in every crowd. Abilities I already had gone, Lag so bad a lot of peeps have a hard time moving, a weapon that has been a main stay for ground forever just got a circumcision by Freddy Crouger, and all you can do is try and denigrate people who have real issues with things. Please, no talking with your mouth full next time.
Wow, you guys will find ANYTHING to ***** about, won't you...
CM
p.s. Thanks Cryptic for a pretty good Anniversary so far. I like the Boff thing once I figured it out, and I love the Episode with it's surprise rewards... 2nd Deflectors are great, and the Foundry addition is amazing!
p.p.s. I feel like there are some people who need someone else to look over there shoulder and tell them, "no, click here, and then select that, now do you see how that works? Do I need to hold your hand and walk you through it again?"
So you think its ok to have lost skills that cost millions. Be unable to retrain those skills. Unable to craft those skills. How do I get Aux to Stru 3 back? It cost me 10's of millions to train all my BO with that. Now I lost it and am able to get it back. Same for Beam Overload 3.
a weapon that has been a main stay for ground forever just got a circumcision by Freddy Crouger,
this is the secound post I have seen about a ground weapon change. which one? what happened to it?
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Maybe It's just me but I don't understand what you are telling me. So, are my abilities lost then?
You can either try to get it back (through the list of available skills the BOFF has) or you are screwed.
Sometimes, you don't need to change things! You can leave them alone, or wait until you've ironed out all the problems before going ahead.
Take this instance. The hint that you were not ready to release this latest buggy patch was when you discovered that:
Thinking, "Our change will create confusion, and will force players to repair things on our behalf" is precisely the point to then conclude, "Therefore, we will NOT go ahead until we have a system that will work."
Seriously, you leave bugs around for years, why break one of the things that work?
Very shoddy work, Cryptic.
That is confirmed. You can no longer use BO candidates to train commissioned BO's.
In fact, you can't use ANY BO to train another BO.
The Armada
Original join date: Feb 5, 2010
Twitter: @davejl_99, & @STO_BBArmada
No they are not lost. Instead you have two powers, one for free. The problem is it defaulted to the wrong one. Follow borticus's instructions in the first post to change back to the one you want.
There is a bit of me that placates this frustration via schadenfreude imagining how frustrated the poor coder who has been given the task of fixing this patch... What we're on six times now right? I can only imagine how bad that guy feels today to be told its broken again
The change is just another part of their on going effort to monetize every little detail about this game. Take this approach, if it hasn't been tinkered with and monetized yet, give it time. It's coming.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
And boff training its easy simple no crafting required but wait it doesn't make money lets make it so if they want really good an cool boffs skills they'll have to craft and spend more dill and a bunch of them will run out faster and maybe buy Zen!!!!
Wow could you be more transparent this was not a gift to make the game better and more interesting is just another resource sink hole designed to make people spend more. We are not stupid why do you insist on treating us like we are????
I know what the rah rah's will say its a co. it needs to make money fine I get that what I hate is Lies we did this for you to make it so much better when it doesn't it makes it harder more complicated more mind numbing all to squeeze me for more cash.
RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
With the new patch today and the new BO system it seems that Cannon Scatter Volley 3
is now gone from the list of craftable manuals.
Is there anyway to train SCV3 on a BO and if not can this be address.
SCV3 for a cannon ship is important. We need this skill back in game soon.
Please do not put cannons at a further disadvantage vs beams.
Please need comment from cryptic on this.
Thank you
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Not only have they taken the CSV III but they took away revers shield polarity III from 2 of my bridge officers and replaced it with other abilities. As a Tac I thought that I was just not going to be allowed to use it, but it appears as though they have completely remover it from the game as none of the engies I have talked to can train it any more. How can you have taken something off my bridge officer that was already trained, and not tell everyone you were going to remove it?
And on a side note... what the devil is with all the lag on ESD. Good god get your act together... if I had employees working for me that conducted my operations like this I would have kicked their division manager down the road as it looks like he is not doing his job and conducting proper oversight of his personal.
get it together
CSV3 was an ability that was previously obtainable only from certain uncommon, rare, or very rare bridge officers. It was not available from bridge officer trainers on stations, nor was it trainable by captains. Captain trainable abilities can now be trained using the Officer Training crafting school, but Cryptic has deliberately excluded rare boff abilities such as CS3, BO3, and TS3 from the Officer Training school. They have also removed the feature which allowed you to consume one boff to train another. As a result, rare boff abilities are currently not trainable. Cryptic has said this functionality will be added in the future. However, they have not provided an estimate of when it will be available.
For more information, see the links below.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21690631&postcount=30
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1356761
Note: According to markhawkman, Lunge III and Viral Matrix III are available from the Officer Training school. These were previously rare bridge officer abilities. I have no explanation for the inconsistency; it's possibly a bug.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21818961&postcount=86
At this point I just had to log out and call it a day.
Well at least theyre consistent. They sure did not disappoint anyone. They still kept their track record in throwing out a very buggy update to celebrate their 5 year anniversary.
This brings back memories of when they 1st launched the game. Its nice to see that after 5 years they have not changed a thing.
HAPPY BUGGY ANNIVERSARY!!!!
Im sure they will fix everything soon
I had 2 boffs with changed abilities and after I set their abilities back to how I had them, the station tab showed wrong abilities (THY1 as a Lt power?) and they were not in my HUD tray. So I ended up swapping boffs in and out and everything seems to have lined up now.
Yes, I fly a Dreadnought cruiser. Deal with it.
Thank you for the very useful information. This is a complicated system that will take some time for me to adjust for my Prime, and various Alts. The time commitment to make the adjustment is a barrier to play in game.
Barriers to play mean I set aside planned purchases. SERIOUSLY. I plan my activities in game, just as if this was a paid subscription game (which it essentially is, for me). This change means I must spend admin time, not game play time. My FUN TIME is impacted by this non-play activity.
This means I will not be purchasing my next set of key and service upgrades until I completely understand this system and get my BOFFs back to where I like them. I am not angry, and this is not rage. I really want to get across that this is exactly how I plan my activities and pace my purchases.
So disappointed with this development team now. Might go ahead and spend money on another game and not play anything till it finally comes out and say to hell with a development team who seems to not listen to its player base, and even pisses on it and tells them that it is raining.
Yup. This pretty much covers it.
WTH are you talking about - there used to be the ability for you guys to p[op up a LARGE ORANGE WINDOW on login which required a player mouse click to close.
(Unless that was removed to decrease client download times - along with a lot of you other content recently. In the old days even Brandon could get info into it after being asked about stuff in the forums after LoR launch.)
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
thay are not available so what must I do in that case
its a sad day for this 3 month old LTS
I went ahead and checked several alts and my main and their bridge officer skills. I don't know what you guys are talking about at all. Skills still there? Hardly. Every one of my boffs reverted to original staus and the ONLY skills they kept were the Ensign, LT and LT cmdr skills, unless it was a level 3 one in which case it was replaced with some other nonsense.
There are red training manuals next to the skills I *used* to have and now my entire roster is all messed up with build-critical skills missing. I read that they might be re-introduced at a later time but I find that implausible, at least giving them back for free.
Your "patch" basically did a hard-restart of my entire boff line-up. Years of work and fine tuning. Destroyed by one of the worst patches/anniversary events you've ever come up with that has somehow actually found a way to make a boring grind even worse, flying us all around for what? So numbers can be padded that players are playing all over the game?
I know, I know..."keep my boffs! You'll release something down the road so I can get the skills back." Yeah. Sure. Uh huh. What's that "benefit" going to cost me?
CM
p.s. Thanks Cryptic for a pretty good Anniversary so far. I like the Boff thing once I figured it out, and I love the Episode with it's surprise rewards... 2nd Deflectors are great, and the Foundry addition is amazing!
p.p.s. I feel like there are some people who need someone else to look over there shoulder and tell them, "no, click here, and then select that, now do you see how that works? Do I need to hold your hand and walk you through it again?"
Yet my 2 BOFFs that KNOWS gravity Well II, which actually SHOWS on the BOFF ability screen, can NOT be used in my power tray. It doesn't even show up in my abilities list. But low and behold, Viral Matrix II works just fine and it occupies the SAME commander slot....
I told people this BOFF change was wrong and BS......Turns out, I was right.
1 in every crowd. Abilities I already had gone, Lag so bad a lot of peeps have a hard time moving, a weapon that has been a main stay for ground forever just got a circumcision by Freddy Crouger, and all you can do is try and denigrate people who have real issues with things. Please, no talking with your mouth full next time.
So you think its ok to have lost skills that cost millions. Be unable to retrain those skills. Unable to craft those skills. How do I get Aux to Stru 3 back? It cost me 10's of millions to train all my BO with that. Now I lost it and am able to get it back. Same for Beam Overload 3.
this is the secound post I have seen about a ground weapon change. which one? what happened to it?
Douglas MacArthur - Quote on the dedication plaque of the U.S.S. Ranger NCC-97332-A Armitage class Fleet Heavy Strike Wing Escort.