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mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
Was just re-reading & thinking about secondary deflectors... and, I know the devs have stated that they will not add secondary deflectors to current sets "at this time."

This is a bad idea, IMO.

Wouldn't adding a secondary deflector to the Nukara set, or a warp core to the MACO set... oh, I don't know... make people start playing older queues? Sure, you don't need to play queues to gain rep currencies... but, the spillover would certainly impact the state of queues positively (one would think). Shoot, you could even make new queues tailored to old rep systems.

Thankfully, it doesn't look like a new reputation is coming with the anniversary... but, more are certainly on the way, eventually. Instead of contributing to further bloat, I think the devs should rethink this.

Am I crazy here?
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Still waiting for biomolecular plasma weapons, a plasma compression rifle, a Romulan Omega set, and a Romulan rep ground set.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited January 2015
    starswordc wrote: »
    Still waiting for biomolecular plasma weapons, a plasma compression rifle, a Romulan Omega set, and a Romulan rep ground set.

    Seriously. :(
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You can't add a part to a set where a small subset of the playerbase will be able to benefit from that set's bonus.

    Adding it to a set allows more combination set bonuses. With warp cores you can once again run a 2/2 combo to get 2 separate 2pc set bonuses. You can pick and choose which you like, or which compliment your build. However, if you add a set piece that is a secondary deflector, you suddenly add exclusive set bonuses that ONLY EVER benefit science ships. Not to mention.... There AREN'T ANY end game science ships for KDF and not many for ROM. It would be a set that ONLY benefits a small subset of FED players. Even so, it seems most science captains don't even run traditional science ships, because of the limitations of the 3/3 weapons setup, the weak tactical seating, the weak hull rating, the overall ineffectiveness of the SCI class. Most run as hybrid setups emphasizing taking or tactical skills alongside their science abilities.


    In short, almost nobody in this game is going to be using secondary deflectors. It's a bad bad bad idea to make them part of the various existing sets.



    That said, it would be nice to get a secondary deflector for each rep, NOT assigned as part of the set. Just a standalone that benefits the theme of that rep. Example: The Omega Secondary Deflector might aid you against borg, while the RomRep Secondary Deflector would help you against the Tholians or help with tetryon damage (i.e. maybe a lot of flowcap points, or something?).

    That way the set isn't changed in any way, but there is a complimentary relationship.


    If you ask me, I think the secondary deflector should be tied to the captain's class and not the ship. It should show up on ANY T4 and higher ship that a science captain owns, and not on that same ship if a tactical or engineering captain owns it.
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited January 2015
    You can't add a part to a set where a small subset of the playerbase will be able to benefit from that set's bonus.

    Adding it to a set allows more combination set bonuses. With warp cores you can once again run a 2/2 combo to get 2 separate 2pc set bonuses. You can pick and choose which you like, or which compliment your build. However, if you add a set piece that is a secondary deflector, you suddenly add exclusive set bonuses that ONLY EVER benefit science ships. Not to mention.... There AREN'T ANY end game science ships for KDF and not many for ROM. It would be a set that ONLY benefits a small subset of FED players. Even so, it seems most science captains don't even run traditional science ships, because of the limitations of the 3/3 weapons setup, the weak tactical seating, the weak hull rating, the overall ineffectiveness of the SCI class. Most run as hybrid setups emphasizing taking or tactical skills alongside their science abilities.


    In short, almost nobody in this game is going to be using secondary deflectors. It's a bad bad bad idea to make them part of the various existing sets.

    Well, with the addition of the Breen warp core (turned the Breen set into a 4-piece set), there's clear precedence for adding things to old sets, now. With that said, I believe the Solanae Secondary Deflector is a stand-alone item, and not part of the Solanae set... so, if that's right, then there's precedence for your stance as well. :)

    I think we're on the same page here. My main point was for Cryptic to add things to current reputations, to breathe new life into them. I didn't necessarily want secondary deflectors added to make 4 (or 5!)-piece bonuses.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You can't add a part to a set where a small subset of the playerbase will be able to benefit from that set's bonus.

    Adding it to a set allows more combination set bonuses. With warp cores you can once again run a 2/2 combo to get 2 separate 2pc set bonuses. You can pick and choose which you like, or which compliment your build. However, if you add a set piece that is a secondary deflector, you suddenly add exclusive set bonuses that ONLY EVER benefit science ships. Not to mention.... There AREN'T ANY end game science ships for KDF and not many for ROM. It would be a set that ONLY benefits a small subset of FED players. Even so, it seems most science captains don't even run traditional science ships, because of the limitations of the 3/3 weapons setup, the weak tactical seating, the weak hull rating, the overall ineffectiveness of the SCI class. Most run as hybrid setups emphasizing taking or tactical skills alongside their science abilities.

    In short, almost nobody in this game is going to be using secondary deflectors. It's a bad bad bad idea to make them part of the various existing sets.

    You just stated a major reason why Cryptic should add it; because it directly benefits all those Sci ships they created predominantly on the Fed side. Add on to that the fact that it would still cost Dil (in addition to EC, Marks, and sometimes whatever stupid special item is needed), and it becomes another viable method of parting players from their Dil.

    And on the contrary, there's a high number of Sci ships (on the Fed side obviously) that would stand to directly benefit from special Rep Secondary Deflectors, and even more of a reason to return to Sci ships to use them.

    Personally, I wouldn't mind the slight advantage going to Sci players; moreso since Sci skills have been considerably nerfed over time, and it would allow for a different sort of DPS coming from even stronger Sci builds. Moreso since it could soon be said that they sacrifice weapon capacity for stronger Sci boosting (via 2ndary Deflectors).

    However, to be fair for the rest, they really do need to add Singularity and Warp Cores to the Romulan, Nukara, and all Omega Rep gear. Or in Omega's case; add a Singularity and Warp Core to the lackluster Omega set and the decent but overshadowed Assimilated Borg set, since KHG and MACO sets are technically KDF/Fed specific, and those would just have the Warp Core. A new Romulan and Adapted Romulan Set would just have the Singularity Core, and the only tradeoff is the loss of no longer being able to use the MACO/KHG or Adapted variants (on all future item claims; existing ones would still work just to not TRIBBLE off the Roms who have them and use them).

    All taken together, is another valid Dil and Mark sink, and one with a more immediate benefit to the players as a whole. Even if Sci players do gain an edge (which is balanced by the fact that regular brute force DPS is still the current meta), it's restricted to Sci ships, which already are gimped with 6 weapon slots. A Reputation Secondary Deflector will offset that loss far better than expecting Cryptic to ever unnerf (even partially) Sci skills.

    And while it might be a long shot, all those additions would likely warrant at least one new Sci ship for Romulans and KDF, if only to squeeze out a bit more Dil (or Zen via Dil) from those two from all the new Reputation gear and subsequent upgrades. As well, it would at least allow Sci players to play the DPS game their way, in a twisted sort of balance (leaving Eng to just piggyback on the regular DPS methods).
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mhall85 wrote: »
    "at this time."

    It's important to consider a potential aspect of this, imho. If they did everything now, then they would have nothing to do...much along the lines of if players had everything, they would have nothing to do.

    They do not give us all the ships planned for a year at the start of the year - they are spread out. The same goes for pretty much everything. There is a production schedule.

    Yes, it means that sometimes one might have to wait longer than they want to wait...
    ...yes, it means that sometimes all sorts of jokes can be made about that particular wait.

    But if we had everything now?

    Sure, imho, they need to tweak the compromise a bit...doesn't have to be "now" vs. "never"...there's a wee bit more room in there.
  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    starswordc wrote: »
    Still waiting for biomolecular plasma weapons, a plasma compression rifle, a Romulan Omega set, and a Romulan rep ground set.

    I totally agree. The other thing we need are warp cores added to Omega/MACO/KHG, Romulan/Reman, and Nukara space sets. The last two in particular are in desperate need of a buff imo, even after the "revamp" (:rolleyes:) of them last year.
    Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and the players love it! No, seriously! ...Why are you laughing so hard? :(
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