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deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
edited January 2015 in Ten Forward
been watching some of the classic dr whos before they're removed from netflix...

worffan, you've been complaining about the quality of current women on Dr. Who.

It's always been bad or blown out of proportion.
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  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    no, please. no more Dr. Who threads.
  • crabbycabbycrabbycabby Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    organicmanfred wrote: »
    no, please. no more Dr. Who threads.

    Who, please. Who more Dr. No threads... :D
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dr who is timeless!
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2015
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    worffan, you've been complaining about the quality of current women on Dr. Who.

    It's always been bad or blown out of proportion.

    "Quality" issues in what way?

    Personally, I think they ruined Peri (Doctor 5 & 6), making her only eye candy. Nicola Bryant is a much better actress than they gave her a chance to show.
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    steamwright wrote: »
    "Quality" issues in what way?

    Personally, I think they ruined Peri (Doctor 5 & 6), making her only eye candy. Nicola Bryant is a much better actress than they gave her a chance to show.

    Worffan describes it better than me
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    hmm, maybe i should say moffat... that'd get him coming


    *stands in front of a mirror*

    moffat... moffat.... MOFFAT!
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    crashdragon wrote: »
    Moffat is the best Dr.Who script writer ever and the fans love him.

    ( now move along, kiddie, and let the real buggers get on with things )

    my heart aches... at such blasphemy
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    crashdragon wrote: »
    If your going to bait a thread, use the tough stuff, Yoda. :cool:

    Who says I'm baiting?


    Honestly, if I wanted to bait people like Worffan I could had said the quality of women has improved under Moffat than it has in the past writers. Instead I'm just saying it's the same.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    crashdragon wrote: »
    I was kidding. ;)

    Ah. Okay.



    Women today, while they're not subject to being put down because of their gender, told to stay back because they're women... still though they're not well written... it's just less sexist
  • lessley00lessley00 Member Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Im not much of a classic who guy, but I liked Sarah Jane the most and Peri the least. In new who, I would say Donna. As for Clara, she's a good companion but not as good as Donna.
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  • zidanetribalzidanetribal Member Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    been watching some of the classic dr whos before they're removed from netflix...

    worffan, you've been complaining about the quality of current women on Dr. Who.

    It's always been bad or blown out of proportion.

    I've heard Doctor Who's contract with Netflix was renewed.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2015
    Bloody hell, it's DOCTOR Who, not Dr. Who :rolleyes:.

    I've always seen Doctor Who as a great example of women represented on TV, they run the full gauntlet, some are normal badasses and reasonably realistic (Donna, Sarah Jane), geniuses (Zoe, Nissa), emotionally damaged (Amy), realistic out of time travellers (Victoria), emotional and compassionate, with brains and steel (Barbra), realistic teens/young adults (Rose, Ace, Polly), brainless bints (Dodo, Mel), defenceless children (Vicky, Susan) and weird Moffat fetishes (River, Clara).

    All were not perfect (well apart from anyone Moffat writes, or Rose :rolleyes:), but neither are real women, all in all I think Doctor Who has been reasonably fair to women, certainly more than the women (Amy and Rose, I'm looking at you) have been to their boyfriends on the show (poor Micky and Rory)
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    zidanetribal wrote: »
    I've heard Doctor Who's contract with Netflix was renewed.

    That was after I made this post. i'm hoping they expand the Canadian content as I am missing quite a few.
    artan42 wrote: »
    Bloody hell, it's DOCTOR Who, not Dr. Who :rolleyes:.

    I've always seen Doctor Who as a great example of women represented on TV, they run the full gauntlet, some are normal badasses and reasonably realistic (Donna, Sarah Jane), geniuses (Zoe, Nissa), emotionally damaged (Amy), realistic out of time travellers (Victoria), emotional and compassionate, with brains and steel (Barbra), realistic teens/young adults (Rose, Ace, Polly), brainless bints (Dodo, Mel), defenceless children (Vicky, Susan) and weird Moffat fetishes (River, Clara).

    All were not perfect (well apart from anyone Moffat writes, or Rose :rolleyes:), but neither are real women, all in all I think Doctor Who has been reasonably fair to women, certainly more than the women (Amy and Rose, I'm looking at you) have been to their boyfriends on the show (poor Micky and Rory)

    The Doctor has been fair yes, but watch how men, even in the 'future' treat the women... The Ark is a good example (That I have).
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Always rather liked Tegan Jovanka personally. Interesting character, and a younger-me thought she looked great in that white outfit she wore.

    Yes I got one story with her and she seemed to be an interesting character. Not Feminist, not 'defenceless' but a proper actual woman.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2015
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    The Doctor has been fair yes, but watch how men, even in the 'future' treat the women... The Ark is a good example (That I have).

    Well, it's a mixed bag, sometimes it's clearly a product of its times, sometimes it's genuinely progressive. The new series does it rather better, showing expendable female mooks in fairly equal numbers to male ones. But the classic series could as well at times, Day of the Daleks, the leader of the gorilla squad was a well written woman, the main female villain of Tomb of the Cybermen, Liz Shaw, the Third Doctors first companion and the few female UNIT extras (traditional 60's/70's/80's military roles for women not withstanding) were well written even by todays standards.

    A large chunk of the later female roles (from the 5th to 8th Doctors) were sometimes better portrayed than Moffats 'perfect little gods' of the new series. See 'Earthshock' for some great examples of Earth females in the future, mooks, bit parts, and main characters alike.
    'Battlefield' is another example, with Bambara and Morgana both working perfectly well, as if they were male characters that were gender swapped in casting (this is generally how I assess a 'good' representation of a female character {and males for that matter}, by gender swapping and seeing if the character still acts like a human being).
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    Well, it's a mixed bag, sometimes it's clearly a product of its times, sometimes it's genuinely progressive. The new series does it rather better, showing expendable female mooks in fairly equal numbers to male ones. But the classic series could as well at times, Day of the Daleks, the leader of the gorilla squad was a well written woman, the main female villain of Tomb of the Cybermen, Liz Shaw, the Third Doctors first companion and the few female UNIT extras (traditional 60's/70's/80's military roles for women not withstanding) were well written even by todays standards.

    A large chunk of the later female roles (from the 5th to 8th Doctors) were sometimes better portrayed than Moffats 'perfect little gods' of the new series. See 'Earthshock' for some great examples of Earth females in the future, mooks, bit parts, and main characters alike.
    'Battlefield' is another example, with Bambara and Morgana both working perfectly well, as if they were male characters that were gender swapped in casting (this is generally how I assess a 'good' representation of a female character {and males for that matter}, by gender swapping and seeing if the character still acts like a human being).

    Yes, this I've noticed, sometimes you'd get downright sexist writing and other times you'd get pretty progressive writing. Mixed bag indeed. The ark cringed me a little bit with how the future men treated Victoria, but I suspect that's the director, not the writing as the writers wrote in strong female leadership roles such as the high minister... with that very annoying voice.

    Then we got to planet of the killer robots... now the women were VERY well written there.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2015
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    Then we got to planet of the killer robots... now the women were VERY well written there.

    Is this Galaxy 5 you are on about here? If so, then I really agree, and I'm almost 100% sure the episode was written for male robots, but was changed to female ones to highlight the 'beauty' vs. 'beast' aspect of that story, and it worked perfectly.
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    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    Is this Galaxy 5 you are on about here? If so, then I really agree, and I'm almost 100% sure the episode was written for male robots, but was changed to female ones to highlight the 'beauty' vs. 'beast' aspect of that story, and it worked perfectly.

    they land on this mining station that moves about a sand planet and the robots are on a killing spree.
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