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omega6theta1
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Howdy people, I'd like some of your views on the Different carriers and hangar pet types.... I've found myself enjoying carriers more and more, I've got the Xindi, Breen, Jem'Hadar dread, Mirror Vo'Que and.... I think thats it (so far :P )
My Hangar of choice is Frigate pets and the only ship I do not have them on is the Jem'Hadar because I do not have the JHAS as of yet... In your view (Carrier cpt's) What is YOUR favorite? As of now I'm leaning toward the Breen with the advanced plesh Brek's, .... (As a side note, Any players that Do have the Jem Dread with the JHAS firgates please chime in on if you think they are worth the cost of a JHAS and the 60k Dil for the frigates)
Oh, Btw, Klingon Tac here.
My Hangar of choice is Frigate pets and the only ship I do not have them on is the Jem'Hadar because I do not have the JHAS as of yet... In your view (Carrier cpt's) What is YOUR favorite? As of now I'm leaning toward the Breen with the advanced plesh Brek's, .... (As a side note, Any players that Do have the Jem Dread with the JHAS firgates please chime in on if you think they are worth the cost of a JHAS and the 60k Dil for the frigates)
Oh, Btw, Klingon Tac here.
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I think the best pets are the Romulan drone (scimitar) and the Recluse frigate pet. Other than that, the xindi pets are better than fighters, but not that good (they are not really bad either).
The breen frigate pets sound very powerful, I'll see that tomorrow.
And if you can't use a frigate, use the scorpion fighters (rom rep). While they won't last long (just like any fighters), they'll use torp HY right after undocking, alongside a salvo of cannons. Usually enough for some damage.
The most annoying thing about the Xindi pets are that they seem to use their mines when they are too far out to be useful.... I've had to undock the frigates when I was within 3k of the enemy for the mines to actually be of use.... and then the pets take a lot of damage due to the point defense systems.
The Breen plesh Breks are excellent btw, cannon RF2 and Transphasic Torps HY2 + Raider flanking does a Damn Damn on targets
Cheers in advance as im having a derp moment.
I will give you an example. One of my fleet mates and my self went in to a private match me with my JHDC and JHAS pets and him with a Fleet Gal X Dread. We wanted to see how bad the pets had gotten after the last pet Nerf. He had in his hanger bay rare delta flyers. I sent my JHAS to attack him each staying about 10.1k away from each other letting the pets do the work. This should have been easy my JHAS should have ripped his deltas a new one right? Nope a little less then a stale mate. So I had him pull his deltas back into his hanger and I attacked his shields. Old vets of the game know that JHAS can shred shields or well used to. We pretty much set their in amazement as the JHAS could not lower any side of his shields. He was not defending him self or was he using any skills he was just sitting there. The JHAS pets had become nerfed to the point of uselessness.
I still really enjoy carriers but they are more of a side hobby now. Hopefully when they put out the new T6 versions of these pets they will be worth getting again. So be careful everyone if you are working on getting the JHAS pets. They have been nurfed to death.
If you ask me all heavy carriers should use frigates while all escort carriers/smaller ships with 1 hangar - only fighters and shuttles. It makes more sense right?
-I am using primary the JHDC on my tac toon with JHAS pets. Since I got them from a promo pack I can't say if giving away 400M for pets is worth - but aside from that they are really great and definitely must have for JHDC. They are using very well their cannon abilities and trying to face their enemies in order to bring the canons on the line - resulting in maintenance of their damage. Their "beam array" is not so effective with overload but still the firing arc is allowing them to maintain fire while turning. Their quantum torpedoes are delivering 30-50k crits at a random occasions. But what is making them really great is their self destruct ability to ram an enemy - it may do 40-60k damage more or less (situational). Even if they are going down - they do spike damage due to this ability.
Overall - they are great ships and there is nothing wrong neither with their setup or problems of the AI commanding them. (Aww forgot to add their deshield ability - it can be noticed and can be of asssitance in order to allow more shots to land on hull instead of shields. Its good addition.)
-I am using as secondary ship the Recluse carrier on my sci toon. The good thing about carriers is that they are not so much affected by the T5U-T6 barrier. If you have ship traits - you can slot them. You gain the masteries, you gain bonus HP and in the end it will be as equal to any t6 carrier. Still - the only downside is the lack of intel hybrid station. But wait...why would you need intel powers on carrier? If you want deep intel real powers use intel ships after all you can't have all toys right?. Ye there are many abilities which might be of a bonus but anyway. Also carriers do not come with secondary deflector - so if you draw the line you see you miss only few intel powers.
About the Recluse - I think it have access to the best pets, even better than the JHAS. The reason is the Attack Pattern Beta stacks. 4 frigates can use BFAW III and APB III. The results are all enemies around them to have their resistances reduced, leading to damage buff for the entire team. Their Thermionic torpedoes can deliver huge impacts on debuffed targets - I've seen 70k crtis coming out of them by single shots. Most often hits are like 20-30k crits. Another epic thing is that their APB can stack with your APB - leading to 5 x APB on the target. I am using tetryon build cuz of canon reasons and sometimes I can take down npcs in advanced faster than with JHDC...(situational again).
Also the underrated console of tholian grid is of great assistance. 33% all damage for 5 sec to you, your pets, your team, their pets is really awesome. If your team pops all buffs and their APB plus your APBx5 and you "lock" the bonuses with this grid - you and your team will be most pleased of the results. For a 85 sec CD console its worth the slot if you want spike damage bursts.
Also all frigates have around 44.6k on deploy and ~47k at max level. They die rarely and even so the ~18 sec CD to re-deploy them is not a problem. Compared to the requirement to have fingers for a piano in order to maintain fighters...its less stressful
PVP =/= PVE and you know that. If you consider all the bonuses a player can have now (before DR) it would be really shocking if pets could damage a shield facing...In PVE all carriers can handle, sometimes, even better than single ships due to their pets...as for PVP - I would not give a single loby crystal if they work or not
From the Dilithium store, I think.
Loving the Breen carrier on my Tac.
For fire power I use my Orion Slavers, six photon torpedoes doing 6000 to 8000 damage per hit, plus crits is nothing to sneeze at and thier mines do like another 2000 damage and each of thier disuptor arrays do 200 to 400 damage. By rank 5 they have 7200 hull points.
I have Scorpions Fighters as well, Elite of course, but I rarely use them as they don't fit the theme of an Orion Flight Deck Cruiser.
Yes as someone mentioned before, the Breen Frigate pets can be gotten through the Dil store.
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Sorry, mis-information... the Advanced plesh breks are through the Dil store not the elites... I'm guessing those are fleet store only?
For my klink I liked slavers mostly because they had beam arrays and felt like they did more damage than the cannon pets. I also liked running the BoP frigates from time to time.
On my fed I normally ran runabouts for their tractor beams. I pulled out my elite scorpions from time to time as well.
Overall though I think I like swarmers the best, but for whatever reason I never bought them for use on my other ships. I only had the mission reward ones that were locked to the cat skull carrier that I never liked to fly that much.
Of course having plesh breks as my minions might change my mind.
Got pretty much all the carriers (except the breen wich i'll get it tomorrow) and other ships that have pets and I find my new favorite pet to be the elite elachi frigate from the elachi sheshar dread cruiser. The skils from that thing are really well thought and synergize flowlessly. They got subspace jump, CRF, Torp Spread and an Evasive maneuvers like skill that grants them speed and turn rate.
And I've seen one of the coolest thing ever: a pet avoiding a breach core:eek:. Grantly was allmost 100% by chance, but still its an awesome and rare thing to see. They have subspace jump, and one time I saw the pet using it right before a ship nearby was about to blow up. Probably the pet only did that becouse it engaged another target. They use that to get 5 km behind a target, then use CRF and torp spread. And becouse the target has same trajectory, it stays allmost full CRF duration, not wasting the skill like the JHAS pet does sometimes.
Glad you enjoy your JHAS pets. I got them like a year or two ago and even they are great, I wouldnt pay 400-500m atm.
And yes, elite pets are fleet only.
Anyway, notice that alot of ppl praise the new breen frigates. Wonder how long they will last until they will get nerfed?:rolleyes:
For a while i was really liking the Karfi as a torp boat. Tried one out as a beam or cannon boat but it just felt too slow and i didnt like the boff seating. I wanted the Narcine but couldnt afford it, not until recently. So now that i do have the Narcine it has become my most favorite ship. I bought it for my main which is a Rom-Fed and i just transferred my gear from my Scim to my Narcine. I like that it has frigate pets too, and a flexible boff layout. If i wanted to i could copy the weapon/boff setup of an escort like a defiant retro. Or i could put a Sci or Eng boff in that universal instead. I like frigate pets because when i was flying a Voquv i just thought it was funny how i could have 4 bird of prey hangar pets hehe. But i only like certain ones because BoP pets have cannons but the have a tendency to get in close and they orbit a target shooting at it only with their turrets. I dont feel like micromanaging them so that they get full use out of their main cannons and torps.
I didnt get the JHDC because of the JHAS/frigate restriction. Also even if i could get the JHAS and unwrap it, the JHDC still only has 1 sci boff station which i personally do not like. I've tried out other carriers as well like the Caitian on a Sci toon but the turn rate is annoying. A ship that slow should have a special wide angle deflector dish or something. The Karfi was ok but i wanted a replacement for it because i didnt like the KDF as a faction. I have the Obelisk as well but it was eng heavy, a little slow and it was ok but not really fun to fly. Because of my experience with those ships i didnt bother looking at a Recluse. And even though we have an opportunity to get a free T6 carrier i got sick of the WW event after just 4-5 days. I'm actually sick of doing those types of events where we do an event for 2-4 weeks for whatever items.
The only thing i would like as far as carriers go is better survivability for the pets. I dont care how they do it, as long as it gets done. But how long have people been asking for that now? yah...
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
When my Elite BOP were at full power the 4 of them could pretty much crush any target PVE
I started using my Vo'Quv has a shield cracker with target subsystems Shields 3 and ES and TB and would just sit back and let my Birds clean up the mess.
The problem with the above is that the BOP were to powerful and the fact that the NPC pretty much ignored them in favor of attacking me made them even more effective.
There has to be a balance between Carriers and their Hanger Support and Cryptic seems to have no idea how to go about finding it IMO.
The continuing nerfs to Hangar Support is doing nothing but making them all useless.
Frigates are the best examples of what I'm saying above.
Frigates before they got a pretty good power boost awhile back they were generally really good at drawing ARGO away from the Carrier (that was my favorite thing about them); however, after they got the power up they lost the ability to hold ARGO but their damage more or less made up for that.
Since then Cryptic has reduced the damage output of Frigates and Fighters a couple of times but has done nothing to increase their survivability or their ability to hold ARGO.
Delta Rising NPC out right laugh at my Frigates.
I have all the full Carriers and I only use Elite Frigates with them except the Xindi Carrier (that one is still sitting in its box) and none of the Elite Frigates do much of anything in the age of Delta Rising.
IMO Elite Frigates need to be able to do one of 2 things to be considered useful:
1. Be able to hold ARGO
2. Deal decent damage in a fire fight
Right now none of the Elite Frigates seem to be able to do either of the above IMO.
IF Cryptic is having such a hard time figuring out how to balance Hangar Frigates and Fighters then they should add power levels to them and let the players set the levels that we want them to run at.
Their weapon/engine drain beam is fantastic. Not only does it slow ships down, thus lowering their defense and increasing damage done, but it also reduces the outgoing damage of whatever they target. Add on to that their wide beam firing arc, high travel speed, slowing torpedos, and tractor beams at Elite and you've got a great support wing that helps everyone do more damage and take less.
Haven't really gotten a lot of testing in with the Plesh Brekk yet, but they certainly do seem promising.
I preferred the Mirror Vo'Quv to the standard Vo'Quv, which of course meant I wouldn't touch the Fleet Vo'Quv.
I could never really get past the Lt Eng on the Kar'Fi (my playstyle preference requires at least 3x Eng BOFF abilities), and thus I never picked up a Fleet Kar'Fi when those became available.
With my preference for the Mirror Vo'Quv, I saw that bleed over into my having no desire to touch the Atrox nor Fleet Atrox at the time.
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier might have been a choice for me, but I simply preferred the Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier provided and flew that instead, even though it was a single hangar boat that did not receive the Escort's Bonus Defense like the Fed's HEC.
I never touched the Recluse, even though others loved it, because of that Ensign Tac and Ensign Sci...would have preferred a Lt Tac and no Ens Sci. Yes, that would have basically worked in toward my having a Fleet Mirror Vo'Quv of sorts...well, without the MBoPs and so forth, but it would have been closer than other ships mentioned so far.
Even with the LCdr Uni, that Lt Eng and Lt Sci on the Narcine kept me away from it. Cause not only do I prefer at least 3 Eng BOFF abilities, I prefer at least 3 Sci BOFF abilities. If only that Ensign Tac had been a Uni too...oh well.
I actually dug Obelisk, and had actually considered picking up the Advanced Obelisk. There was just other stuff I was doing at the time, though if DR hadn't come around - I'd probably be in an Advanced Obelisk right now with that other stuff done.
Which brings me to the ship I'm flying, the Sarr Theln. Yep, got my 3x Eng BOFF abilities and even an Intel ability thrown in there. Have more than just a single Tac BOFF ability, so that's good. Also have at least the 3x Sci BOFF abilities. So that's just golden there. Now while it's not Eng Heavy like the Mirror Vo'Quv, it's not the boat the Vo'Quv is so I don't feel the need for it to be Eng Heavy.
When it comes to pets, can't say that I've really got a fave...lol, I can't even really decide which would be my fave pet pet peeve.
A) The imbalance between pets of the same type.