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Riddle me this: What is the difference between 80% [CRTD] & +80 [CRTD]

painstixpainstix Member Posts: 35 Arc User
More specifically.. AP weps have the +100 Crit Sev vs lets say Elachi that have +80% Crit sev

Which actually gives more Crit Sev? the % or the value points?

Thank you
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  • rsoblivionrsoblivion Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Standard AP weapons don't have a passive proc, they just gain an extra CrtD bonus which is 20% Crit Severity.
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  • painstixpainstix Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    rsoblivion wrote: »
    Standard AP weapons don't have a passive proc, they just gain an extra CrtD bonus which is 20% Crit Severity.

    Thanks for replying sir. Have to explain that a bit better for me. Are you saying that a wep that says +80 crit sev is less then 80% crit sev?

    or can you/someone answer more directly as to which provides more crit sev an AP with [CRTD]x4 (+100) or an elachi that reads [CRTD]x4 (80%)
  • painstixpainstix Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    The + vs. % is confusing me :(
  • rsoblivionrsoblivion Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Sorry, I'll explain in a little more detail.

    Every modifier a weapon has give is some effect. Some are shown after the weapon name such as Dmg, CrtD, CrtH and so on. Some are hidden for things like Phasers and Disruptors they have an effect that is unique to that weapon class.

    Antiproton don't have a unique effect, they just have a base of 20% Crit Severity. Which is the equivalent of an extra CrtD modifier. All other weapons have a max of 80% Critical Severity bonus when they have [CrtD]x4, whereas Antiproton have a max of 100% with [CrtD]x4.

    I hope that's clearer.
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  • painstixpainstix Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    so essentially the "+" is really a "%" and in the example I gave above an AP wep that says "+100" Really means "+100%" and would also mean it gives greater Crit sev then an equal level wep that says 80% crit sev
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    painstix wrote: »
    so essentially the "+" is really a "%" and in the example I gave above an AP wep that says "+100" Really means "+100%" and would also mean it gives greater Crit sev then an equal level wep that says 80% crit sev

    The best I could assume, is that the +100 is referring to an actual +100% over not having one!

    In other words, if we compared a phaser & antiproton DBB with no mods what so ever, than the antiproton would in fact have a +100% crtd advantage from the start, which turn out to be a base 20% crtd mod with no actual mods applied normally.

    But, with so many misleading descriptions and, typos in this game, it could just be that......a typo!

    This would also still leave us with the question, as to what exactly would +80 ctrd equivalent out to be, maybe a +15% actual crtd or, a +17.5%? Who knows!
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  • chezmazterchezmazter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I tested this with my ships a while back because I was also confused on that. I can say that + is the same as %.
  • annahannah Member Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    painstix wrote: »
    so essentially the "+" is really a "%" and in the example I gave above an AP wep that says "+100" Really means "+100%" and would also mean it gives greater Crit sev then an equal level wep that says 80% crit sev

    yes its just a display bug in the tooltip which cryptic been lazy to fix since it doesn't affect anything.
  • birzarkbirzark Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    the + and % are not equal to each other.

    For example you can get +20 Starship targeting(accuracy bonus) , your not getting 20% more accuracy your only getting about 3% more, each point is only a fraction of a percent.

    I hope that helps with the confusion when you have 2 items of equal value of say 20% and +20 (points), % will always be higher.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    birzark wrote: »
    the + and % are not equal to each other.

    For example you can get +20 Starship targeting(accuracy bonus) , your not getting 20% more accuracy your only getting about 3% more, each point is only a fraction of a percent.

    I hope that helps with the confusion when you have 2 items of equal value of say 20% and +20 (points), % will always be higher.

    It's not a percentage when it refers to a skill as skills use ratings. (Ie. Starship Targeting is actually a skill in your skill window.)

    When not referring to a skill, it is a percentage but may still be subject to caps and diminishing returns.
  • arintalarintal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Base crtd = 150%
    Skill = ~20%
    borg console ~10%


    ~180% for very standard setup

    Non ap +80%
    AP +100%

    Non AP total = 260%
    AP total = 280%

    280%/260% => 7% increase

    Disruptor proc is 8.4% and is stacks and works for whole team.

    Also synergy set for other weapons don't have TRIBBLE warpcore without amp.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    When not referring to a skill, it is a percentage but may still be subject to caps and diminishing returns.

    +20, outside the context of a skill, would make no sense, so, indeed, always means +20%.
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    painstix wrote: »
    so essentially the "+" is really a "%" and in the example I gave above an AP wep that says "+100" Really means "+100%" and would also mean it gives greater Crit sev then an equal level wep that says 80% crit sev

    the +xx usually is an add to a skill, like +20 attack patterns or +15 energy weapons. those scores would be used in modifying your captain skill
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