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So I think I'm playing it safe when I say that many players would like to see a playable Cardassian semi-faction along the lines of the New Romulus expansion. One in which you can choose to be a FED or KDF aligned Cardassian. However it doesn't seem like this will ever happen which I'm fine with. Since this is the case, do you guys think we'll ever see a playable T6 Keldon and a Hideki class to mirror the 3 ship Jem'Hadar collection and 3 ship Breen collection?
It would be nice for them (devs) to go one way or the other. As it stands right now, playable Cardies are in limbo. And don't tell me about Alien Cardies. They aren't real Cardies.
It would be nice for them (devs) to go one way or the other. As it stands right now, playable Cardies are in limbo. And don't tell me about Alien Cardies. They aren't real Cardies.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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The current Galor gets a new skin added and is renamed "True Way Galor Class Cruiser", and a watered-down free T4 version is offered for level 30 Cardie captains.
There you go, Cryptic. You can use that storyline. You're welcome.
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Just out of curiosity what are these Hints ... after DR I got the feeling "The Cooperative" is the next "thing" (not that I'd actually want that)
I like that... especially since some (devs) are worried that the Cardie faction story would be too similar to the Romulan faction story.
Perhaps the Iconians, in a desperate move, hold the Founders (Odo!) captive, so that they can control the Dominion directly. The Alliance and Cardies would have to seek out the Alpha Great Link, to help rescue the Founders.
That would fit perfectly!
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And here it is.
This image was taken by my Epohh spies on Cardassia Prime.
And now to put you off the idea of the Cardassian faction... I'll leave this here.
Not all Germans were TRIBBLE though and not all Cardassians were genocidal monsters either. Like the Romulans, the Cardassians were ruled by the military. After the Obsidian Order was crushed by the Dominion, the Detapa Council assumed control of the Government and put it back under civilian control. The military later took back control after Dukat sold his people to the Dominion, but they took heavy losses during the war.
It wouldn't be that hard to bring the Cardassians into the game. It's true their story is similar to the Romulans, but the one thing that is different is that Cardassia Prime is still intact. They don't need to find a new homeworld, nor do they need to rebuild the Government. It's been around 35 years since the end of the War, so they should be in a lot better shape than the Republic in this time.
When it comes to choosing species, I wonder if they will be as limited as the Romulans? Personally I think they should give them more customization options, like Cardassian, Jem'Hadar, Vorta, etc. I would love to play as a Jem'Hadar.
I feel sorry for the fraction that will replace them, however. On the bright side, you'll have 1-2 OP ship, and a bunch of OP trait. Considering how the Dominion war ended for Cardassia, I seriously doubt they would ally themselves with the Dominion again. Being used as cannon fodder, and then having your world nuked by so called allies is something that tend to be remembered.
Hey, I've got a Jem'Hadar as my first officer and a Breen as Chief of Security. Doesn't bother me any.
Yes they do have a military but it's unlikely to be anything near as powerful as the other big players in their area of space. And I highly doubt they'd be building some super-secret advanced warships that would be on par with what the Feds or KDF have just released. They pretty much got beaten into the ground in the Dominion War and I'd like to think they are busy rebuilding and trying not to get on the loosing side yet again.
Which basically makes any story for them look almost the same as the Romulan arc. They need to rebuild their homeworld, they've lost their power, they need help from other major powers (Feds & KDF).
I think they'd be good as a minor species to allow character creation with maybe a small selection of ships available for them. This could be done with other factions too: expand on the Ferengi, Vulcans etc.
Yes, Cardassia got as good as nuked. Billions of people died during the Dominion War. The infrastructure throughout the Union got wiped out. Not an ideal situation indeed.
However, the Dominion war ended 35 years ago. Cardassia has been a Federation protectorate ever since. They definitely received help, since it took some time for the Federation to need to redistribute recourses to deal with Hobus. They even made deals with the Ferengi. Not with individual Ferengi, but with the state, aka with Rom. And Rom will be damned to not help the Cardassians when they pay their part of the deal.
Cardassia should by now be returning to the galactical front. They are more than capable of defending Cardassia Prime with their Cardassian Defense Force. They indeed have trouble wtih True Way terrorists, but that organization has been lobotomized by the players in 2409, with the capture of its leaders and the destruction of much of their forces.
There is so much room open for a good story on the side of the Cardassians that does not rely on helping them to rebuild. First off the conflict with the True Way, and then possibly an expansion back into the Gamma Quadrant. Just don't make them poor, homeless people. They are not.
Also, vote Andrew Robinson for voice over work.
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Cryptic want's/needs subscribers right?
Why not just let everyone have the ability to make a (ugh) Talaxian. But make the Cardassians a 1000+ Day Subscription Reward. Say around 1250 day's or so? That should make enough money for Cryptic to make it financially viable. And if you don't feel like spending all that money each month, then there is always the Life Time Subscription.
I'd gladly be willing to make a new character for the grind if I could have a "Real" Cardassian/Cardassian Faction.
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If they decide not to release them, then it's a no brainer really; throw the Keldon into the Lobi Store, and have the Hideki as Fighter Pets (for a Keldon Hanger?). They then need to make Cardassian Character Tokens, and Cardassian Bridge Officers available to us.
If they decide that they'd like to bring the Cardassian Fraction to the table, then they need to do that sooner rather than later. The longer they wait, the more tweaking (and breaking) of existing content they're going to have to do for when they do bring them in.
Think of all the story content now, especially the generic stuff - all of that is going to need a Cardassian aspect (even if it is just some random NPC). The longer a [potential] Cardassian Faction is left hanging, the more work they're going to have to do in order to bring them up to speed.
I would first like them to FINISH the Republic though. Cardassians can wait.
800 million Cardassians got killed in the last minutes of the Dominion War, and the Dominion was cheerfully throwing away entire Cardassian orders, half a million at one point, as a distraction.
Galactic polities in Star Trek are heavily biased towards their home systems, Earth is always seen as the ultimate lynchpin of the Federation, and Praxis going up put the Klingon Empire on a timetable to collapse in only decades. We know how the Romulans fared from the loss of Romulus.
Cardassia had a demographic apocalypse they won't see the end of for many generations, and their most important infrastructure was priority target number one for everyone involved. The idea they'll have managed any sort of worthwhile recovery as a galactic power in just 35 years is nutso. The fact the True Way even exists is indicative of that. A stable, recovering power would not be fighting a well organised internal rebellion comprised of their own military.
No, they shouldn't. They should be joining the Federation. They're broken, and the Federation is the best they can do for themselves.
You keep that in mind when you're destroying True Way forces entirely on your own over the skies of Cardassia itself, to try and stop them stealing a Orb from the middle of the government.
Or to keep it simple, they can't defend a single damn thing. I can't even remember a single instance of a loyalist Cardassian ship, and they are quite obviously utterly incapable of defending themselves at all against their own separatists.
Maybe also with a C-Store Fed-Cardassian, to represent ones who ran to find a new life.
That and make it clear that for many Cardassians, they've become very disgusted with their past militarism and suspicious of overt nationalism.
Anyhoo, other players had come on the post, made some constructive comments, but then there was a post from a moderator who said something like "you never know, something might happen for the LOR anniversary...
I think many would agreee that the Devs should focus on the existing elements in the game. There is still much which can come from Bajor, DS9, New Romulus the Delta Quadrant (and all the species therein) etc etc.
Personally, I would be really excited to see more on New Romulus, or at least get the planet more complete before starting off a new race.
Also think about this, to get yet another char all the way up to level 60 with top-end gear? That is a grind many are happy to do without for the time being.
But, I have questions about Cardassia/the Dominion that I would love to see answered... TRIBBLE the Delta Quadrant. :P
Tweaking the Cardassian storyline would almost be a given, and I would be okay with some ret-con action. :P Some of those missions felt tedious, anyway... like the Fire Cave mission (cool to visit, but kinda dumb and forced, IMO).
The Cardassians could be allies, just like the Romulans... but there's no reason why you need to go through every beat of the Romulan story to get there. The Romulans have D'Tan, a pacifist (taught by Spock) who seeks to reunite his people (and, who knows, ultimate reunification with the Vulcans). Why not contrast that with Garak, the former OO agent/exile (and Federation ally) that only wants to see his people return to past glory. This does not mean that he becomes a complete pacifist, but this also doesn't mean he becomes Dukat 2.0.
In short, the Cardassian story should be nuanced... just like Garak.
As for what the link could learn from Odo? Everything? If Odo opened himself up to the link, then they'd share all of his experiences, they'd know love, anger, trust and friendship. It's then up to them (as a collective) to act (or not) on the knowledge.
If we know one thing, it's that they're not interested in conquest outside of the Gamma Quadrant anymore. If we know anything about the Dominion (and their founding) it is that they were constructed out of fear for their own survival; they conquered what they feared, or what they perceived as a potential threat. They've probably calmed somewhat, though they're not doubt still a force to be reckoned with.
Because the Dominion still hasn't changed? Odo is there, teaching them (I suppose) though (from our point of view) they're probably in a state of transition. There's no point them changing their name until they decide to do so, besides the fact, why change what already sticks? They've got the message out there that people do not TRIBBLE with them. Why hide that message?
I don't think his view would have been changed so much. Every species, nomatter the order of a single soldier cannot define an entire species. To do so is racism (or species-ism). It's like idiots thinking all Muslims are evil because of the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings. The acts of a few do not define a majority.
Sure, there were evil Cardassians, but there were also friendly ones; we've met some Cardassian scientists that seemed to be friendly (or unbiased). There was that Cardassian in TNG (Lower Decks?) that wanted an end to conflict. It's probably more a case of certain officers within the Cardassian Military having more push than those that might be friendly, and thus the evil outshines the good.
I think Starfleet had a lot to do with that.
I don't think Cardassia has, nor will it join the Federation, not yet anyway.
That said, if/when the time comes, I think it'll be time enough to let the past be the past. There was a time in our history when Vulcans and Andorians were in conflict with each other - they've settled their differences. We've also had war with both the Klingon and Romulan empires, yet have also built alliances with them.
If we can agree on one thing here, it's that Andrew Robinson (Garak) would need to say yes to voiceover work. A Cardassian Faction just wouldn't be the same without him.
I don't think there is any doubt that most everyone would like to see the minor races for each faction get fleshed out.
after world war 1 germany had enormous losses and the economy collapsed, their empire cut away and grabbed by other powers, a tiny shadow of what they once were. Seriously look at the treaty of versailles, they got reamed hard in that.
they went from a collapsed, broken, war-torn country to a super power in less than 20 years
as for the population argument that was lost in the dominion war, we don't even know how much of a percentage that is of their population. I mean today on earth we have 7 billion people approx. How many will we have in 400 years without any sort of enormous world disaster or nuclear war? 50 billion? 10? Put it to you this way, over the last 100 years the earth population has skyrocketed by about 5 billion, and the increase of each billion has come faster and faster.
Now put in the equation that they have extremely advanced technology to rebuild with. So you have about 35 years + all that technology, I would say that yes, I would expect the Cardassia Prime population to at least be pre-dominion war levels, in fact they are probably past that.
Now as for story line... I would like to see the intel become a full fledged class at character creation, and the cardassian storyline is that you are brought into a neo-obsidian order and thus the missions are filled with mystery and intrigue, and espionage. Or just the defense force would be fine too.
If not as a starting character, perhaps as an unlock from the C-store... like the Caitians, Ferasans, Remans, etc.
IMO, that would be the quickest way to at least get the race as a selectable option.
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Enough said.
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Germany in the First World War suffered literally no infrastructural damage in its own territory, nor any degree of debilitating civilian casualties compared to the literal genocide the Founder attempted to enact upon Cardassia Prime; it was actually the influenza epidemic that did the real civilian killing.
Basically the only thing at all that Germany had to do by the late 1930's, and did once Hitler came to power, was ditch the onerous demands of French reparations.
Germany, as a result of World War I, lost at most 4.5% of her entire population. If Cardassia Prime had a population double of current day Earth, 14 billion, it would have lost 5.7% of their population just from the Founder going mental. Or 7.6% if it was 10.5 billion. If Cardassia Prime had a population of modern Earth, 11.5% of the entire freaking planet was straight up dead in hours because of the Founder.
One in ten of everybody is a corpse, and the hideous ruin upon the general infrastructure of the planet in order to achieve that would render their civilisation practically unviable without external support. If you did that to any country on Earth now, in simply hours, that country would never come back in living memory. It's equivalent to a major strategic nuclear attack targeted entirely upon the civilian population. That's you done. GG. Nice country you had going there.
A literal apocalypse happened to Cardassia Prime simply from the Founder trying to kill everyone there, and we haven't even taken a sniff at the effects of the rest of the war.
Yes, it is hard to think they recovered in 35 years. Actually, no, it is impossible to think they recovered in 35 years. To think they recovered enough to be a military power worth a damn would require an act of Q....even if their military hadn't simply gone AWOL.
The very best analogy to support your position would have been to the Soviet Union, but it's still a critically flawed comparison. The Soviet Union was being stuffed absolutely full of money during the war and was rebuilding a vast industrial infrastructure even while battling German forces. Then it got to plunder the entirety of eastern Germany and Europe, and the nation as a whole was sitting on a ludicrous pile of natural resources. Even so, the Soviet Union had terrible living conditions to maintain a military that ultimately succeeded only in destroying it. At the end of THEIR 35 years, they'd irrevocably started to collapse from the effort.
It appears no-one appreciates the scale and absolute horror of what the Founder did. At the risk of offending people for being so blunt, she basically made the Holocaust look tame. That's why Sisko and Ross didn't drink to the victory. They were standing in the midst of something they'd have to reach back into musty depths of legendary history to equal.