Seriously, we don't all use Reddit, we don't all use Twitter and even if we did not every one would be following Cryptic, let alone STO. You have your forums HERE for this very reason, so you can communicate with the players about game issues such as extended down times.
Why do you use other sites? Where's the logic in that!? STOP using other sites and use your own!
I don't have a problem with the extended downtime, I would prefer a stable update, but I do have a problem with the above issue.
Seriously, we don't all use Reddit, we don't all use Twitter and even if we did not every one would be following Cryptic, let alone STO. You have your forums HERE for this very reason, so you can communicate with the players about game issues such as extended down times.
Why do you use other sites? Where's the logic in that!? STOP using other sites and use your own!
I don't have a problem with the extended downtime, I would prefer a stable update, but I do have a problem with the above issue.
Can't be helped if you don't want to venture outside the general forum section.
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Google is such a wonderful and invasive search tool. It's worthwhile learning how to use it.
I do agree though they should have a built-in Feed that just scrolls tweets with the appropriate tag at the top of each forum.
Or one of those side feeds that shows the latest twitter comments. There's plenty of blank space to the left and right of forums past the initial page to utilize for twitter comment feeds.
They don't want to communicate. They want to be as far from their customers as possible. They see the entire system as a nuisance, rather than the life-blood of the game. No wonder the game is dying faster and faster.
They don't come here because they don't want their bad math, faulty logic, and bad decisions questioned. They want to dictate terms with NO return path for communications. They don't want a debate. They don't want to answer for what they say. Their use of outside services is 100% intentional and designed to shut down communication with the playerbase.
They don't want to communicate. They want to be as far from their customers as possible. They see the entire system as a nuisance, rather than the life-blood of the game. No wonder the game is dying faster and faster.
They don't come here because they don't want their bad math, faulty logic, and bad decisions questioned. They want to dictate terms with NO return path for communications. They don't want a debate. They don't want to answer for what they say. Their use of outside services is 100% intentional and designed to shut down communication with the playerbase.
WAI.
That is a bunch of bull. The STO twitter account has over 30,000 followers. You think 30,000 people post on this forum every day - or even come to this forum every day?
The simple fact is they reach many times more people with a single 140 character tweet then they do posting messages on the forum - as was linked to above, Smirk post on the forum and people still missed it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Just do both. 5 min a programmer can make a script that will bomb an announcement to FB, web site, and twit all 3 at the tap of a button. The twit one may need another 5 min of hax due to # of letters allowed in 1 message (?) not sure, but it could just be a canned "go look at new announcement" message there if need be.
No need to exclude one or the other.
And, BTW, I see an announcement right here in the forums about downtime tomorrow and another about the ship lottery event. What are we not getting here?
more people use twitter to get up to the minute updates on most stuff. 4 people not wanting to look there for updates is not going to stop them when over half the player base does look at twitter for updates from sto. if ya cant live with that stop yer cryin cause it aint gonna change anything.
I find it extremely weird and annoying that the official forum is not the first and foremost place of communicating with the playerbase.
It's a age-ism thing, the kids think it's weird that we don't use twitter to tie our shoes.
Sort of related to OS snobs who say things like "mac or die" or "win7 is everything, all else is TRIBBLE".
but, w/e
What you said is spot on. There should be no 2nd or 3rd party distribution of information. Or, if there is, it should be a direct redistribution (word for word, no spin or twittersnark) of what's been posted on a maintenance thread here.
And, if the forums are down too, put it on the game homepage.
And, if the game homepage is down, put it on the placeholder.
Syndication to multiple Social Formats is easy to automate, even the "Twitter" limitation is simple enough as it has always been common practise given RSS was a fairly standardised technology that has only been improved with the advent of RIA and REST techniques for "Web 2.0" that even every damn phone nowadays supports.
The fact that the Forum, Launcher (Dev Blog / Release Notes), Facebook, Reddit and Twitter are all handled individually and manually is indicative of the problems that Cryptic have in their management and tools as a whole because they are deliberately making far more work for themselves and inefficiently using their resources to their full potential ... let alone as a means of improved visibility with multiple avenues of access to best suit the widest range of information dissemination (which is kind of important for an MMO)
Realistically we should not have to use anything more than the Launcher itself to get additional important information, but even the layout of that shows just how out of touch they are with User Interface and Accessibility design practises.
Heck even simply things such-as the Forum hosted by Perfect World, a limited website (far more basic that in the past) hosted by Cryptic, Wiki hosted by Gamepedia and then further use of 3rd Party Tools frankly is an absolute joke. Heck I know that Gateway still exists, but I'll be damned if they make it easy to actually access it and I'm not even sure where the hell that is hosted now.
I don't give a TRIBBLE if Cryptic are actually responding / interacting with their Community, no one expects them to all of a sudden become active members in-game and the forum; but not having an Internet Presence that feels like it is a decade out-of-date and actually a unified source of information on the game that is easily accessible via multiple entry points with syndication capabilities is almost a must for any modern game, let alone an MMO.
That is a bunch of bull. The STO twitter account has over 30,000 followers. You think 30,000 people post on this forum every day - or even come to this forum every day?
You think in this day and age, that twitter followers mean jack squat? People follow millions of twitter accounts just to hope they'll get cross-recruited followers. Most people don't have anything to do with those they follow.
What makes you think one tenth of one percent of the twitter followers are even STO players?
Meanwhile, you can be pretty sure that 100% of forum members are current or former players, who care about the game and its status, news updates, and future developments.
You think in this day and age, that twitter followers mean jack squat? People follow millions of twitter accounts just to hope they'll get cross-recruited followers. Most people don't have anything to do with those they follow.
What makes you think one tenth of one percent of the twitter followers are even STO players?
Meanwhile, you can be pretty sure that 100% of forum members are current or former players, who care about the game and its status, news updates, and future developments.
So your argument is that people who specifically follow STO twitter aren't STO fans? Really? That is the best you can do to make a point? Really?
If information is the key then STO twitter reaches many times more players then the forum. I am not saying they should not have more information on the forum - even though Smirk has been updating the Maintenance thread. I am simply saying that if you are trying to reach the people who wanted the information you are going to reach far more on STO's twitter then here. Probably in a magnitude of 8 or 10 times.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The thread here is about updated information - such as why the maintenance is over-running - being delivered through other social media sites.
I am was perfectly aware of that forum section, which generally does not get updated frequently.
No but its generally sufficient. "**** isn't working, update soon." Knowing the why is nice but mainly to one's sense of self respect.
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was posted to Twitter five minutes before being published on the OFFICIAL forums.
Your argument is invalid to the topic at hand.
That point isn't particularly valid. You're comparing two official information feeds, each using a different mode of internet communication. One is old, another is new. First of all, a few minutes difference isn't significant. Secondly, even if the difference was significant the devs aren't obligated to follow along with your preferences. Twitter, as new-fangled and extrovertive as it may be, does lend itself better to a single source distributing short pieces of information to a wide audience. A forum is better suited to back-and-forth communication between two or more interested people. That said cryptic should still use whatever channels they've maintained for player-dev communication to communicate, but the fact is that they have maintained some line of communication on the forums about these updates. It may not be as strongly maintained as other channels, but so what? Again, not obligated to follow along with your perferences.
If you want information, its out there. Can't say much more than that.
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only read the news HERE!
I find it extremely weird and annoying that the official forum is not the first and foremost place of communicating with the playerbase.
As a casual STO reader I don't actually KNOW which twitter feed to follow or whatever for this kind of information.
Can't be helped if you don't want to venture outside the general forum section.
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I do agree though they should have a built-in Feed that just scrolls tweets with the appropriate tag at the top of each forum.
Or one of those side feeds that shows the latest twitter comments. There's plenty of blank space to the left and right of forums past the initial page to utilize for twitter comment feeds.
They don't come here because they don't want their bad math, faulty logic, and bad decisions questioned. They want to dictate terms with NO return path for communications. They don't want a debate. They don't want to answer for what they say. Their use of outside services is 100% intentional and designed to shut down communication with the playerbase.
WAI.
The simple fact is they reach many times more people with a single 140 character tweet then they do posting messages on the forum - as was linked to above, Smirk post on the forum and people still missed it.
No need to exclude one or the other.
And, BTW, I see an announcement right here in the forums about downtime tomorrow and another about the ship lottery event. What are we not getting here?
The thread here is about updated information - such as why the maintenance is over-running - being delivered through other social media sites.
I am was perfectly aware of that forum section, which generally does not get updated frequently.
It's a age-ism thing, the kids think it's weird that we don't use twitter to tie our shoes.
Sort of related to OS snobs who say things like "mac or die" or "win7 is everything, all else is TRIBBLE".
but, w/e
What you said is spot on. There should be no 2nd or 3rd party distribution of information. Or, if there is, it should be a direct redistribution (word for word, no spin or twittersnark) of what's been posted on a maintenance thread here.
And, if the forums are down too, put it on the game homepage.
And, if the game homepage is down, put it on the placeholder.
The fact that the Forum, Launcher (Dev Blog / Release Notes), Facebook, Reddit and Twitter are all handled individually and manually is indicative of the problems that Cryptic have in their management and tools as a whole because they are deliberately making far more work for themselves and inefficiently using their resources to their full potential ... let alone as a means of improved visibility with multiple avenues of access to best suit the widest range of information dissemination (which is kind of important for an MMO)
Realistically we should not have to use anything more than the Launcher itself to get additional important information, but even the layout of that shows just how out of touch they are with User Interface and Accessibility design practises.
Heck even simply things such-as the Forum hosted by Perfect World, a limited website (far more basic that in the past) hosted by Cryptic, Wiki hosted by Gamepedia and then further use of 3rd Party Tools frankly is an absolute joke. Heck I know that Gateway still exists, but I'll be damned if they make it easy to actually access it and I'm not even sure where the hell that is hosted now.
I don't give a TRIBBLE if Cryptic are actually responding / interacting with their Community, no one expects them to all of a sudden become active members in-game and the forum; but not having an Internet Presence that feels like it is a decade out-of-date and actually a unified source of information on the game that is easily accessible via multiple entry points with syndication capabilities is almost a must for any modern game, let alone an MMO.
You think in this day and age, that twitter followers mean jack squat? People follow millions of twitter accounts just to hope they'll get cross-recruited followers. Most people don't have anything to do with those they follow.
What makes you think one tenth of one percent of the twitter followers are even STO players?
Meanwhile, you can be pretty sure that 100% of forum members are current or former players, who care about the game and its status, news updates, and future developments.
If information is the key then STO twitter reaches many times more players then the forum. I am not saying they should not have more information on the forum - even though Smirk has been updating the Maintenance thread. I am simply saying that if you are trying to reach the people who wanted the information you are going to reach far more on STO's twitter then here. Probably in a magnitude of 8 or 10 times.
was posted to Twitter five minutes before being published on the OFFICIAL forums.
Your argument is invalid to the topic at hand.
No but its generally sufficient. "**** isn't working, update soon." Knowing the why is nice but mainly to one's sense of self respect.
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cant say fairer then that, lets hope they fix it soon.
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That point isn't particularly valid. You're comparing two official information feeds, each using a different mode of internet communication. One is old, another is new. First of all, a few minutes difference isn't significant. Secondly, even if the difference was significant the devs aren't obligated to follow along with your preferences. Twitter, as new-fangled and extrovertive as it may be, does lend itself better to a single source distributing short pieces of information to a wide audience. A forum is better suited to back-and-forth communication between two or more interested people. That said cryptic should still use whatever channels they've maintained for player-dev communication to communicate, but the fact is that they have maintained some line of communication on the forums about these updates. It may not be as strongly maintained as other channels, but so what? Again, not obligated to follow along with your perferences.
If you want information, its out there. Can't say much more than that.
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