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Saucer Seperation for Guardian?
willamsheridan
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AS i was flying around in my Guardian i thought that it would be a perfect candidate for the Saucer Seperation ability. It has 3 Impulse engines, like the Galaxy (2 for the saucer, 1 for the Stardrive section)and the Saucer already has lines that could be seperation lines.
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Unfortunately, all of these, support craft and separation parts, are only considered "gimmicks" and are supposed to be inferior to hangar pets according to a dev statement from three years ago.
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But what does "more or less" mean? We have no timeframe. I hope that it will become available with the Fleet Version that, hopefully, will also come soon. Its just built for Seperation.
And i wish that they would make support crafts and Seperation pets stronger. In case of the Guardian or Gal-R its half the ship that we have there. it should be avble to use BFAW otr BO and be more durable. Same goes for the Tal´Kyr, and the Aero shuttle
And i think that the Gal-R and normal Galaxy should have another Carrier pet, the Captains yacht from TNG. And Sovereigns should also get a Captains Yacht Pet (not a Playable Captains yacht which is only for veterans).
But not every Cruiser should be able to use the Saucer seperation because not all Cruisers were built to use it or at least they were just built for an emergency seperation without the option to rejoin.
Te Cheyenne would be another candidate for Saocer Sep. But other ships like are not. The ambassador has just one Impulse engine on the ships neck. So the Stardrive would still be fast and maneuverable but the Saucer wold just have thrusters to maneuver. And a Seperated Ambassador wuold look weird.
Or the Excelsior: 2or 4 Impulse Engines but all on the saucer so the Stardrive Section would be adift in space.
Fleet Ships never come with a console.
Also, all Starfleet vessels do have Saucer Separation capability. It's called getting blown up :cool:
Exactly.
Why would anyone think the fleet version would separate? The Fleet Version will have the extra hull and shields as well as an 11th console slot.
Personally, I don't see the need to have saucer separation on my Guardian, the Pet AI on this game makes it more of a hindrance then a benefit.
It's clearly been modeled so that so that there is some sort of 3D structure under there that is visible once the saucer is off.
So i'm guessing it may be something that is changed in a patch later on, you could just allow it to use the Galaxy console for separation, nothing new is required.
That said, I'd make my Guardian my primary ship in a heartbeat if it had saucer sep!
When the saucer separation does come, I'm hoping there will be some rather nice bonuses that warrant the use in the first place, sort of like how the Odyssey's console set allows worker bee and GWell capability on the saucer (which offsets some of the separation pet nerf Cryptic did recently).
And if they do bring out a Guardian X, I hope the lance is a built-in ability; but with an included console that allows a player to choose to fire it either in normal or spread mode, without requiring saucer separation. Sort of like being able to choose which Vector Mode you want to use; which forces a cooldown on the others. Except in this case; you choose beam or wide-angle, and the other choice goes into cooldown at the same time as the choice you used.
I'm just not sure how they would introduce this, as said before.. they don't include special consoles with fleet ships. Normally, consoles like this are obtained from the 'C-Store Variant' of the ship, but the Guardian only exists in current C-Store variant.
Short of releasing the console on the Lobi Store, I don't really see how they would implement this. If people want it though, I'm all for it.. I just probably won't use it myself, especially if it's a console. I need my console slots for more important abilities.
I do concede the argument though that the ship definitely looks like it was intended to separate.
All they need to to is change the existing galaxy console so it is a generic saucer separation console and can be used on any ship capable of that operation (Galaxy, Refit, Dreadnought, Guardian)
If the modeling is already there and the animations exist for the galaxy along with the AI for the saucer then it shouldn't be to complex i'd have thought.
Could easily just be stuck into a patch at some point.
They would have to redesign the Guardian to separate, then find a way to ensure that the console won't give the Galaxy set bonus to the Guardian by mistake. That won't be a quick job. Look how much time it took for the Galaxy Dreadnaught to get its saucer sep.
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They will release the Guardian X. Third nacelle actually looks like a vestigial tail and helps increase turn rate. Saucer Sep gives the tail to saucer so it looks like a horseshoe crab and flies like an escort. Newly exposed neck on stardrive section can launch two hangars of built in fighters that spam antimatter spread, phaser turrets and micro-photon launcher. It will TRIBBLE plasma mines when hit with kinetic damage.
This here is true in my opinion. I don't see the Guardian being a Galaxy successor as well, it is very clearly in form and function a new Ambassador, which is why I think it should be called the Guardian Support Cruiser. It even uses *the* Ambassador neck, and the overall form is heavily influenced by Probert's original concepts. That does not, however, mean that the ship cab't separate. I think anything that's bigger than a frigate in Starfleet should have a separation or yacht ability (TNG and later era, everything up to and including the Ambassador excluded), but more importantly build that into the ship's strategy as well. A lot of pet work is needed for it to work, but that would emphasize one of Starfleet's unique traits and strengths better than what we have now.
The Galaxy successor in STO is the Oddyssey class. They shot themselves in the foot making the flagships obsolete T5Us but that's how it is. But just because there's a successor doesn't mean the Galaxy is gone, the Venture-type refit makes this (and every other refit ship btw) current, state of the art technology. They should reqork the Galaxy model, buff up the venture model and release that as a T6 "Challenger Exploration Cruiser" (named after Geordi LaForge's Galaxy) and use the same parts for a T6 Nebula version (Sutherland Advanced Research Vessel, named after the Nebula Data commanded for a brief period)
A "Guardian X" would be a terrible design decision. They probqably will make it, but that would be once again a swing and miss.
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