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Expansion 3 "Homefront" - A Suggestion

joe1306joe1306 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
First thing I wanna say is that I think it's great that we get to see more and more of our Galaxy, especially the addition of the Delta Quadrant lately. Also I wouldn't mind getting a sector block in the Gamma Quadrant some time in the future, I mean the wormhole is already there. (Guest appearance by Rene Auberjonis anyone? :D )

But here is my suggestion for the next expansion (maybe in a year or so?) which could be called "Homefront" or something like that. The thing is, as I said, we got to see more and more of the galaxy in Star Trek, but I think that the Federation territory isn't as much developed as it deserves.

Therefore I think my suggested expansion could be a great opportunity to flesh that out a bit more. Storywise there could be an internal conflict within the Federation itself, meaning citizens being very unhappy with all the war going on lately. (Would make sense and be true to the heart of Star Trek, wouldn't it?)
This would also be a great opportunity to give a bit of love to planets like Andoria and Vulcan and add a (few) new sector block(s) to the upper left of Sol. Those could contain missing planets like Betazed, Trill, Tellar, Grazerit, Sauria, Ferenginar and so on. Also there already is a Bolarus sector in Iota Pavonis Block but no planet called Bolarus to be seen anywhere.

In addition this could be a good opportunity to expand the ground zone on Earth, maybe a mission in Starfleet Headquarters on the other side of the Golden Gate Bridge? I mean seeing how large a map can be in STO, for example New Romulus, suggests that it could be possibile to put Starfleet Headquarters and the Academy onto one single map.

This would also be a great setup for more guest appereances by Star Trek actors if they are available and not too expensive. Maybe Jonathan Frakes as Admiral Riker, LeVar Burton, John DeLancie, Marina Sirtis, Gates McFadden, ... well there are a lot of possibilities.

Well, those are my Ideas for Expansion 3: "Homefront" so far, or whatever you might wanna call it. :)

I believe it has a lot of potential. What do you think of it?


PS: Since my native language is german and not english you may keep any grammar mistakes you might find. :D Have a nice day everyone. :)
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I likes and I wants!
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    As fun as expansions (in the true sense of the word) are, I too would better appreciate them focusing on the homefront when the third expansion comes around, regardless of whenever that may be.

    The problem however, in my opinion at least, isn't where the new expansion is, it's more what it is. If a new expansion (or season) is primarily a new grind and a dilithium sink, then it's going to lose interest very quickly; as have many of the late releases. Whether it be the fault of PWE, Cryptic, or a select person(s) - more content of the same isn't good enough anymore. For the most part, we need something new, something that has no resemblance to what we have already.

    What might that be? I honestly don't know, but I'm not the one who's paid to think about these things. I do know though that the last batch of seasons, and this latest expansion have done little to entertain me for a prolonged period. I can't even get two months enjoyment out of anything they've recently released, because I've done it all (similarly) before.
    joe1306 wrote: »
    PS: Since my nativ language is german and not english you may keep any grammar mistakes you may find. :D Have a nice day everyone.
    You've not done too bad; so much so that I was able to easily read everything perfectly. :)
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Sounds good in theory ... there was talk about some "Founders of the Federation" - Expansion / Season years ago ...

    ... in reality, I think we already have enough Patrols in the Alpha / Beta - Quadrant ... ;)
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  • daka86daka86 Member Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I will like to see this think happen but we need the Klingon side to be open a bit more and ofc the Romulan to.
    This can be made in to parts whit the seasons for example season 10 revamp on Vulcan the next season Andoria and so on.
  • joe1306joe1306 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Of course this is just a rough idea and I realize there are many more factors to consider for an expansion than I listed, but if enough people like it then let's hope this thread gets the dev's attention! :D
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I really really love this idea, the only problem I see is how would Cryptic monetize this expansion, perhaps give you your own holding in SF, a house of your own maybe, or access to the Starbase Corps of Engineers so you can do high tech crafting of unusual items. Maybe embassies for fleets on Vulcan and Andoria, I suppose there are numerous ways to do it.

    Oh I seem to have answered my own question, lol, I say let's go for it!

    Sure

    1. Feds get their home on Earth, access to exchange, free heals, doffs for science and exploration
    2. Rommies get one on New Romulus, where there's doff missions to farm and generate stuff for trade
    3. Klingons get their own lands, a house rewarded to you for all your glorious deeds where you can get more military training doff missions
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I very much like this idea, although I'm personally hoping expansion #3 is Cardassians.
    Sure

    1. Feds get their home on Earth, access to exchange, free heals, doffs for science and exploration
    2. Rommies get one on New Romulus, where there's doff missions to farm and generate stuff for trade
    3. Klingons get their own lands, a house rewarded to you for all your glorious deeds where you can more military training doff missions

    Or, since there's not much point maintaining a planetside house when you spend most of your time light-years away, they could put that functionality into ship interiors.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    you're a fleet admiral. I suppose they could do that thing where your species homeworld is... what do you think Tacofangs?

    That'd give you an excuse to build a city on various worlds that lack them.
  • daka86daka86 Member Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Do you mean something like they made in SWTOR (Strongholds) and in the WOW (Garrison)
    We do have Fleet Starbase but building our own City ore Colony's i do not know and how will work making it public projects for each faction. But we need something like territory control game play on galaxy scale and we have not explore all the galaxy.
  • joe1306joe1306 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    wow, actually I thought this idea would get more attention than it seems to have^^
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    joe1306 wrote: »

    Therefore I think my suggested expansion could be a great opportunity to flesh that out a bit more. Storywise there could be an internal conflict within the Federation itself, meaning citizens being very unhappy with all the war going on lately. (Would make sense and be true to the heart of Star Trek, wouldn't it?)

    Just one point here, that is not true to the heart of Star Trek. The citizens of the Federation would never rebel or express any sort of discourse against the wars the Federation engages in. Earth is basically a world wide Disneyland, where everyone is happy and content. No wars, poverty, strife. They rose above the idiotic political and superficial ways that their ancestors (i.e you today) engaged in. No internet trolls. No right wing or left wing enthusiasts. No hippies or warmongers. Plus, the Federation generally has wars thrown at them, not start them. Prime Directive and all that. The Feds don't start wars, they finish them.

    So that storyline would not make any sense. Everything else, though, totally works.
    daka86 wrote: »
    Do you mean something like they made in SWTOR (Strongholds) and in the WOW (Garrison)
    We do have Fleet Starbase but building our own City ore Colony's i do not know and how will work making it public projects for each faction. But we need something like territory control game play on galaxy scale and we have not explore all the galaxy.

    Another idea that sounds "good", but does not really fit Star Trek. Star Trek is not about settling. It's about exploration. Hence why there have never been a Star Trek that solely focused on a settlement. The closest you got to that was DS9, and that aspect of the show became sort of a bust, so we got more Gamma Quadrant stories and episodes where the crew left the station more often.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Just one point here, that is not true to the heart of Star Trek. The citizens of the Federation would never rebel or express any sort of discourse against the wars the Federation engages in. Earth is basically a world wide Disneyland, where everyone is happy and content. No wars, poverty, strife. They rose above the idiotic political and superficial ways that their ancestors (i.e you today) engaged in. No internet trolls. No right wing or left wing enthusiasts. No hippies or warmongers. Plus, the Federation generally has wars thrown at them, not start them. Prime Directive and all that. The Feds don't start wars, they finish them.

    So that storyline would not make any sense. Everything else, though, totally works.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Homefront_%28episode%29
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost_%28episode%29
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I had parsed similar ideas but I think the Mirror Universe could accomplish all of this and probably more.

    Constructing Mirror Terok Nor justifies the reinvention of DS9. Focus on Terran and KCA mechanics from the ground up would open up new ways of looking at Fed and KDF mechanics.

    The Mirror Andoria or Vulcan can help subsidize the standard versions. And invasion of Mirror San Francisco would justify the construction of BOTH San Franciscos in a way that would benefit all factions.

    Get Frakes, Sirtis, etc. But the Mirror Universe enables them to play dual roles.

    The Mirror Universe would also allow for a Dukat.

    It strikes me that the Mirror Universe has much stronger publicity and marketing potential while achieving what you have described.
  • binebanebinebane Member Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    well it cant be all about federation. so whole expanson just about federation is a little too much. episode about federation is ok, but kdf and roms should also get some of it...
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited November 2014

    And how did the Earth respond to that?

    By doing absolutely nothing. No embargo on space travel, no security checkpoints, no "Beware of Changelings!" propaganda. They just shrugged and went "Eh, it happens." and proceeded to not give a TRIBBLE. We saw this happen later in the series when Ben Sisko returned home to Earth and changelings were STILL getting onto Earth.

    Feds are lazy.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    And how did the Earth respond to that?

    By doing absolutely nothing. No embargo o space travel, no security checkpoints, no "Beware of Changelings!" propaganda. They just shrugged and went "Eh, it happens." and proceeded to not give a TRIBBLE. We saw this happen later in the series when Ben Sisko returned home to Earth and changelings were STILL getting onto Earth.

    Feds are lazy.

    Except "security checkpoints" + "armed patrols on the Streets" + "beware of the changelings" (+ some kind of Anti-Alien racism) ... you might wanna rewatch ... there is a reason this Episode is also called "Homefront" ...
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Except "security checkpoints" + "armed patrols" on the Streets + "beware of the changelings" (+ some kind of Anti-Alien racism) ... you might wanna rewatch ...

    No, that was Starfleet. Not Earth. Not the citizens. Not the President. Not whatever council they instated to replaced Congress. Starfleet did all that,and remember it was portrayed as the workings of the corrupt Admiral to place Earth under martial law. Earth did NOTHING. Even when they found out that there was corruption in Starfleet, what happened? Any protests? Any demonstrations? Any call for Starfleet to be disbanded?

    NOPE! Just another day in the life of the future. They went "Oh man, our government was trying to control us? Pfft. Okay, then. Someone will fix it later."

    Earth don't care what happens in the universe. Even when it might hurt them.

    It's like every citizen on the planet is Matthew McConaughey.

    That is Gene Roddenberry's ideal soceity. Just Matthew McConaugheys as far as the eye can see. :D

    EDIT: Found this, a perfect example of talking to a citizen of the Federation.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    No, that was Starfleet. Not Earth. Not the citizens. Not the President. Not whatever council they instated to replaced Congress. Starfleet did all that,and remember it was portrayed as the workings of the corrupt Admiral to place Earth under martial law. Earth did NOTHING.

    Not sure how that would matter / defeat the Story ... it still happend on Earth ... at least part of this society "rebelled" ... it can happen again ... DS9 is not really part of Roddenberry's "Vision, anyway ... but neither is STO ...

    PS : I sense some hidden agenda here ... maybe O... nevermind ... :P
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  • daka86daka86 Member Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Just one point here, that is not true to the heart of Star Trek. The citizens of the Federation would never rebel or express any sort of discourse against the wars the Federation engages in. Earth is basically a world wide Disneyland, where everyone is happy and content. No wars, poverty, strife. They rose above the idiotic political and superficial ways that their ancestors (i.e you today) engaged in. No internet trolls. No right wing or left wing enthusiasts. No hippies or warmongers. Plus, the Federation generally has wars thrown at them, not start them. Prime Directive and all that. The Feds don't start wars, they finish them.

    So that storyline would not make any sense. Everything else, though, totally works.



    Another idea that sounds "good", but does not really fit Star Trek. Star Trek is not about settling. It's about exploration. Hence why there have never been a Star Trek that solely focused on a settlement. The closest you got to that was DS9, and that aspect of the show became sort of a bust, so we got more Gamma Quadrant stories and episodes where the crew left the station more often.

    I agree is not theme of Star Trek but i do like to see Andoria and Ferenginar City.
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    joe1306 wrote: »
    First thing I wanna say is that I think it's great that we get to see more and more of our Galaxy, especially the addition of the Delta Quadrant lately. Also I wouldn't mind getting a sector block in the Gamma Quadrant some time in the future, I mean the wormhole is already there. (Guest appearance by Rene Auberjonis anyone? :D )

    But here is my suggestion for the next expansion (maybe in a year or so?) which could be called "Homefront" or something like that. The thing is, as I said, we got to see more and more of the galaxy in Star Trek, but I think that the Federation territory isn't as much developed as it deserves.

    Therefore I think my suggested expansion could be a great opportunity to flesh that out a bit more. Storywise there could be an internal conflict within the Federation itself, meaning citizens being very unhappy with all the war going on lately. (Would make sense and be true to the heart of Star Trek, wouldn't it?)
    This would also be a great opportunity to give a bit of love to planets like Andoria and Vulcan and add a (few) new sector block(s) to the upper left of Sol. Those could contain missing planets like Betazed, Trill, Tellar, Grazerit, Sauria, Ferenginar and so on. Also there already is a Bolarus sector in Iota Pavonis Block but no planet called Bolarus to be seen anywhere.

    In addition this could be a good opportunity to expand the ground zone on Earth, maybe a mission in Starfleet Headquarters on the other side of the Golden Gate Bridge? I mean seeing how large a map can be in STO, for example New Romulus, suggests that it could be possibile to put Starfleet Headquarters and the Academy onto one single map.

    This would also be a great setup for more guest appereances by Star Trek actors if they are available and not too expensive. Maybe Jonathan Frakes as Admiral Riker, LeVar Burton, John DeLancie, Marina Sirtis, Gates McFadden, ... well there are a lot of possibilities.

    Well, those are my Ideas for Expansion 3: "Homefront" so far, or whatever you might wanna call it. :)

    I believe it has a lot of potential. What do you think of it?


    PS: Since my native language is german and not english you may keep any grammar mistakes you might find. :D Have a nice day everyone. :)

    I like this idea aslong as it finally brings cardassians ingame as a playable race and or faction

    i think if STO is going to bounce back from DR it will need to be introducing the cardassians as a playable race or faction.

    but OP i like your idea really nice mate
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    No thanks, I already lived on earth, I don't wish to go back to Earth
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    No thanks, I already lived on earth, I don't wish to go back to Earth

    LIAR!!! see never trust gul dukat...he was born on cardassia :D
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Not sure how that would matter / defeat the Story ... it still happend on Earth ... at least part of this society "rebelled" ... it can happen again ...

    PS : I sense some hidden agenda here ... :P

    It can happen again. It probably will happen again.

    But it's ultimately pointless when the citizens just don't care. They're not going to riot. They're not going to create a revolution. There's no "rebel alliance" that's going to spark up. The Fed citizens are just going to let it happen because, TRIBBLE it, it'll work itself out.

    Remember how (if you could stomach it for that long) ENT had that story arc with the "Earth First" organization? They were like "Get these aliens off our planet, they bring nothing but trouble and blah blah blah"? But by the TOS, Earth is like half Vulcan, half Human? By TNG, Earth is a Vulcans, Humans, Tellarites and Betazoids etc. Even Borgs can live on Earth! Seven of Nine got a teaching job at the Daystrom Institute! And no one objected! For all Earth knew, she could have assimilated the entire crew and pretended to be reformed. But as soon as they got home, it was parties and celebrations and "Let's let the former enslaving bio-robo teach our students how Borg's use the toilet!" Earth just let go of petty thigs like specism and just go with the flow.

    The last president of Earth we saw on screen was an alien. Ridegellian, I think? He represents the entire Earth. We, the citizens of the 21st century, made a huge stink about our President being BLACK. People freaked out when Hilary Clinton expressed interest in running for Vice President. But in the future, Earth will let a scaly alien who isn't even from our solar system speak for the interests of the human populous.

    That's the dream. A world where humans don't freak out anymore. They have no problems. That was Gene's vision of a perfect Earth.

    And that is what makes for a TERRIBLE rebellion story. What is the point in saving the Earth from itself when the Earth doesn't even care to start with? They'll just follow with whoever wins and no support to either side. And the sheer notion of that is so funny. I laugh everytime I think about it. This is the debate in 2410:

    Admiral: We need to declare martial law on Earth, to protect it!

    Citizen: Oh well, if the earth is under fire, maybe a tightened security system is needed. That could be helpful.

    Captain: You cannot declare martial law! You're stripping away human rights!

    Citizen: Oh well, I need those rights. I am human and those my rights. It's in the name.

    Admiral: We'd only suspend them for a temporary period, after which, they would be reinstated once the threat has passed.

    Citizen: Oh, if it's only for a short period, I can give up those rights, and he did say he'd tell us when they'd be back.

    Captain: And who decides when the threat passes? You? Your word means nothing!

    Citizen: Oh that is true, who knows when the threat passes? Just him. I would not know. This is very serious.

    Admiral: The people elected me. They know they can trust me.

    Citizen: Oh yes, I remember standing in the voting booth, I said "Now here's a guy I can trust." If he says the threat's still here, I know it's true.

    :D

    I reiterate with mirth filled conviction: Feds. Are. Lazy. And a little stupid.
    daka86 wrote: »
    I agree is not theme of Star Trek but i do like to see Andoria and Ferenginar City.

    Oh yeah, I agree. Everything else works. Just not the idea of a Federation/Earth rebellion.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    LIAR!!! see never trust gul dukat...he was born on cardassia :D

    I never said what year http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Frederick_La_Rouque :D:P;) lol

    See after Dukat was thrown into the fire caves, he became an immortal, and was sent to Earth's past in New Orleans to try to stop Sisko from being born, by wiping out his family completely in the past. After that, he ran for office.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »

    :eek: Time traveling species bending...dukat??.....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
  • ragnar0xragnar0x Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    And new T7 ships?(T7 Voyager) Dont give them ideas! LoL.
  • truewarpertruewarper Member Posts: 931 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    ragnar0x wrote: »
    And new T7 ships?(T7 Voyager) Dont give them ideas! LoL.

    No...:(:(:(
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    And that is what makes for a TERRIBLE rebellion story. What is the point in saving the Earth from itself when the Earth doesn't even care to start with? They'll just follow with whoever wins and no support to either side. And the sheer notion of that is so funny. I laugh everytime I think about it. This is the debate in 2410:

    The Terrans might work well there though. Particularly as we have one contingent that is axe crazy and fascist and some idealists in there like Smiley.

    The way I see a Mirror expansion:

    We end up discovering some kind of Iconian beacon linked to the Mirror Universe (because that's the meta-plot of the game and what Cryptic wants to drive the action forward with).

    So allied forces converge on DS9, plotting an invasion of the Mirror Universe from the Bajoran wormhole. We realize we're desperately short on numbers and the Cardassians (who have been part of our alliance, you'll recall) volunteer to assist if we reinstate them as soldiers once we're in the Mirror Universe, partnering with Starfleet or the KDF.

    We begin by taking Mirror Terok Nor and occupying Bajor as our first foothold into the Mirror Universe, an irony lost on no one as we're using Cardassian soldiers.

    We proceed to sneak and fight our way from Bajor to earth, assisted by Mirror Klingons and Cardassians, where we take on the Terrans at their ESD and in a giant San Francisco battlezone.

    And at the end of that, we find out that the Terrans weren't the ones we're after. The Klingon-Cardassian Alliance of the Mirror Universe was the one working with Iconians.

    And so we partner up with a few good Terrans and a few bad ones (and Mirror Romulans) for an assault on Qo'noS to take out our new targets Mirror Regent Worf and Mirror Dukat. Who are gleefully working with the Iconians.
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