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Science or Enginiering, which one is the most useless?
cervantx
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So we all know that STO is an all dps oriented game, so is an tactics game, even more since DR, but then the dilema is, which one is the most useless of the two pariah clases?
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Sci is great everywhere, engineer is great on the ground.
Neither. They're both very capable of high DPS, talking 50k+ DPS. It mainly depends on builds, skills, traits, etc. also the ship counts for a lot.
They each require an understanding of the class and a smart ship build.. just like Tactical Officers.
All three paths are viable, it just depends on the player.
You must be someone with 100k dps Scimitter with 4 recluses behind his back...Hmm.
I would like to see you in a pug or any advanced/elite STF without a good super engineer taking all the aggro for you and surviving, so you can land your 1 Milion tons of damage without being targeted even once.
I would also like to see you desperately trying to run from 10-15 spheres focusing you and not letting you turn and use your dps, when no good super science is around to lock them, drain them to 0 power levels and remove their shields so you can land your 1 Milion tons of damage without being targeted even once.
Is that an answer to your, obviously provoking and definitely rude question towards the Engi/Sci Community??? Aww please dont start writing how good you are and not needing any heals nor CC ...wait you are right your 100k dps kills all in front of you and ofc nobody should assist ya
Just for fun, I decided to see how my DPS was compared to everyone else (been pugging it)
I out DPS everyone... BY A LOT.
I was shocked because I didn't even try. I specced for pets and the combination of all my pets, plus me = a TON of DPS
I'm pretty good at tanking in space but my space DPS is low.
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the class I like the least is tactical. I enjoy science but since I prefer the klingon faction my science officer doesnt get much opportunity to fly in a science ship. I do have one federation guy who is science just because I wanted to have a science officer with a science ship that is truly belonging to a faction (not some wierd dyson ship or something).
there is really no useless class and to be honest engineers are the awesome
Eng is and will always be near useless in anything besides an "overwatch" style playstyle in pvp to heal with. There are engineers in this game that are unkillable and its not because of selfish builds, its because theyre built to keep their team alive. Unfortuantly scis can do this too and have subnuke. This is really what killed engineers. EPS/Nadeon need reworking to make eng useful again or be able to send Miracle Worker to a teammate, because at the moment, neither skill has the effect of APA in pve/pvp or SNB in pvp, and miracle worker requires you to be the focused target to become useful where in pve your dps is likely too low to hold majority threat and in pvp ships like this are better CC'd to remove their healing and get kills elsewhere.
Ground....well this gets flip reveresed which is amusing. The ideal pve ground team to me is 2 demo eng + 2 grav well/exo sci + a tac to spam group buffs + tac init. Odd how when you go to ground, suddenly tac becomes the least desirable of the three to stack in groups.... Cryptics strange balance logic at work.
And you got it, thats is a very good reasoning, but then you said it by yourself, you simply can stick to FaW, i meant a Scientis can (with lot o work) make a good ship and get decent or good dps, a tactic only need a2b and spam spacebar and do better dps, and the game is a grind fest that force players to kill dumb ships with insane hulls, of course there is areas like pvp where the features like subnuke make a sci a very interesting class, but pvp... well is pretty dead, and then Engis can make decent a2b too, but any tact get more dps, now if a sci or a engi is getting better dps that a tactic well, that tactic must l2p and fast.
GG Cryptic.
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None of them are useless.
It's the player that makes a character, a ship, a build useless.
Well thats its true, iv seen very lame players flying good ship and asking themself ¿why i cant make it?.
GG Cryptic.
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there is no point in tanking, even elite content, if your party's tacs are dying, that's because they suck.
IMO cryptic REALLY needs to adapt some of the engineering skills to have more utility in PvE, such as causing a debuff into everyone that shoots you while you have RSF up(like an inbuilt APD or something), that would help create an actual point to tanking in PvE.
i suppose engineer can be good if you're rolling a pub with bad players, and tanking for them, but then again, who is crazy enough to pub at the moment.
ah, the old cliche "everyone and everything works, nothing is useless, it's all the player."
i wanna see you do more DPS in a galaxy compared to a scimitar, go on i'll wait.
That is the smartest answer I've seen.
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LOL, what game are you playing, because it ain't STO....
What is left are self-healing abilities you don't need in STO if you can bring some DPS, or if you can afford Tactical Team and/or Emergency Power to Shields.
Science on the other hand has Sensor Scan that helps every team member, and Subnucleonic Beam is extremely useful in PvP and can be somewhat useful in PvE. Dampening Field and Science Fleet are at least team buff abilities, with Science Fleet being superior to Engineering Fleet because it grants shield resistances.
Engineering Captains could probaly be made more useful if Miracle Worker and Rotate Shield Frequency could be applied to allies, as that would free up allies from the need to bring self-heals or allows you to cover unlucky or bad players that need a quick heal.
It has a much bigger effect on the ground, since it determines all your abilities.
Tactically focused Engineer or Science ships can be every bit as lethal as a tactical. And the problem with 'pure' Engineer or Science builds aren't the builds themselves, it's the lack of content that requires them.
Tactical is popular because it's the most user friendly option.
Very hard to top a Scimitar with a Galaxy, but you can make the Galaxy do something if you build for it :rolleyes:
Matter of fact, I'll use the Tier 4 Galaxy Refit to help you out!... Here you go!
With an Engineer, to boot. Matter of fact, done without using exotic gear, DOFFs, nor overly expensive stuff that the average player does not have access to due to resources. Priciest thing is the Plasmonic Leech there. No epic gear, just the Plasmonic Leech which is by default Epic.
Not all things are equal, but you can make things work if you put yourself to it :rolleyes: Or do you let yourself get stumped after very little, TRIBBLE-poor effort, quit at the first sign of trouble?
If a ship, build fails, it's because of the player. The fact that not long ago there was someone who put up a video with a what? 40k-something DPS Galaxy-class shows what you can do. I'm pretty sure that dude out DPSed a bunch of actual Scimitar players out there using that Galaxy.
It's the player.
Dam999 is that you?
a tact can just go in and shoot thats all they need to do to be useful and people who may be used to that probably find eng and sci "useless" cause they dont plan their build or boff out.
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Try galaxy vs galaxy or better Scimitar vs Scimitar. Galaxy has enough natural bulk to do some tanking while the Scimitar has no such thing.
Remember that you cannot dps if you're waiting to respawn.
.. and that is the bottom line. Tactical is by far the easiest class to master and also the easiest to TRIBBLE up. A good tac can take a lot of punishment due to one thing: speed tanking.
However most tactical players mistakenly think that DPS is everything and ignore any sort of defense.
I rarely fail in advanced/elite queued content while PUG with my engineer main and that is because i have made it 2nd nature to check the composition of the team at the start.
If i notice multiple tacs then i'll tank and get every hostile to focus on me so that tacs can do their thing.
If during that period i notice that the tacs are not set up properly then i disengage and switch to a more DPS oriented boff setup.
As mentioned above advanced and elite queued, primarily with PUG