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Intrepid T6 saucer separation

genemorphgenemorph Member Posts: 404 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I was just thinking did they miss a trick here.

According to http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Saucer_separation :

" This functionality was later added to the Intrepid-class and the capability was added to USS Voyager as part of its refits upon returning to Earth. (ST reference: The Eternal Tide) ".

Rather than a copy paste of a typical sci ship, the mechanics of this could have been much more fun.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Cept that is from memory beta...which mean it isn't canon which means that the Intrepid having saucer separation is probably from some book.
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  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Wait...what?

    I thought that was just the Galaxy?
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Techincally, a lot of Federation ships can perform Saucer sep, that can''t in-game.
    Like the Sovereign and the Vesta, for example.
    While it would be neat to get generic Saucer sep consoles for all the ships that technically can perform them, it probably won't happen anytime soon considering a developer actually has to go through the rather tricky process of programming and animating all that in.
    And unless the ship was designed with the functionality in mind in the beginning of its development here, adding in Saucer sep later can take quite a bit of time, as evidenced by the Galaxy-X's acquisition of the ability.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Memory Beta uses information from the various novels and comics - all of which are considered soft canon, at best. Much of that information contradicts itself as various authors have a different take on almost everything Trek. Thus Kirk is dead versus Kirk coming back to life via the Nexus, etc.

    You cannot really use Memory Beta as anything more then a fanboy wishlist.
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  • tcostiktcostik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Saucer separation, while cool in theory, is something I never really understood about Trek.

    Why would you want to add another weak spot to a ship that's moving FTL, weighing millions of metric tons?
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Even the Connie could separate it's saucer.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    tcostik wrote: »
    Saucer separation, while cool in theory, is something I never really understood about Trek.

    Why would you want to add another weak spot to a ship that's moving FTL, weighing millions of metric tons?
    Well, in all fairness, it is not welds or nuts, and bolts that hold Trek ships together. The structural integrity field is what keeps the ships from flying apart while moving around.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • genemorphgenemorph Member Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Escort and Cruiser classes have at least one ship that have saucer separation, why not science? That would have been a fun addition, with different strategy and mechanics involved.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    genemorph wrote: »
    Escort and Cruiser classes have at least one ship that have saucer separation, why not science? That would have been a fun addition, with different strategy and mechanics involved.

    Personally I always liked the idea of the Nebula perhaps getting it...Nebula is a nice little ship but could probably use some umpf just like the Galaxy could.

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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Well, in all fairness, it is not welds or nuts, and bolts that hold Trek ships together. The structural integrity field is what keeps the ships from flying apart while moving around.

    ...So there's even less to dismantle to get one bit free from another bit.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,331 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    ...So there's even less to dismantle to get one bit free from another bit.

    It sounds like you don't understand how the structural integrity field works.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Seriously? :rolleyes: What is the obsession with having the saucer separation on nearly every ship with a damned saucer? It was seen with/on the Galaxy, fine. The Galaxy Dreadnought? That didn't need it; the thing is desired as a Dreadnought (no doubt) for a specific reason. The only other ship that should be able to separate is the Prometheus; because that's what it was built to do.

    The Constitution, Ambassador, Intrepid, Excelsior and god knows what else doesn't need the feature. Next thing you know people will be asking for the ability to pilot a Borg Cube that can split up into eight individual smaller Cubes. :o
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Seriously? :rolleyes: What is the obsession with having the saucer separation on nearly every ship with a damned saucer? It was seen with/on the Galaxy, fine. The Galaxy Dreadnought? That didn't need it; the thing is desired as a Dreadnought (no doubt) for a specific reason. The only other ship that should be able to separate is the Prometheus; because that's what it was built to do.

    The Constitution, Ambassador, Intrepid, Excelsior and god knows what else doesn't need the feature. Next thing you know people will be asking for the ability to pilot a Borg Cube that can split up into eight individual smaller Cubes. :o
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Seriously? :rolleyes: What is the obsession with having the saucer separation on nearly every ship with a damned saucer? It was seen with/on the Galaxy, fine. The Galaxy Dreadnought? That didn't need it; the thing is desired as a Dreadnought (no doubt) for a specific reason. The only other ship that should be able to separate is the Prometheus; because that's what it was built to do.

    The Constitution, Ambassador, Intrepid, Excelsior and god knows what else doesn't need the feature. Next thing you know people will be asking for the ability to pilot a Borg Cube that can split up into eight individual smaller Cubes. :o

    I'd buy that for a Dollar! :p

    Or how about a Millenium Falcon? It's canon! Not Star Trek canon, but canon!

    Oh, wait, I already got the Pathfinder Saucer.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,331 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Seriously? :rolleyes: What is the obsession with having the saucer separation on nearly every ship with a damned saucer? It was seen with/on the Galaxy, fine. The Galaxy Dreadnought? That didn't need it; the thing is desired as a Dreadnought (no doubt) for a specific reason. The only other ship that should be able to separate is the Prometheus; because that's what it was built to do.

    The Constitution, Ambassador, Intrepid, Excelsior and god knows what else doesn't need the feature. Next thing you know people will be asking for the ability to pilot a Borg Cube that can split up into eight individual smaller Cubes. :o

    Well Actually every federation ship is supposed to have some form of separation such as the defiant has the ability to separate its nose thingy.
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    ^ Yep.

    Heck, the ACTD docs for the Excelsior states the saucer separates but only for emergency situations.

    I think it's about time the D-7 gets a nob-seprataion. You know, spread the love.
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  • haplo013haplo013 Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    As i understand it, saucer separation is meant more as a Escape Pod sort of deal instead of a combat option. In that regard it would be common on Federation ships. Do i think it should be an option in STO on all Fed ships? No.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    westx211 wrote: »
    It sounds like you don't understand how the structural integrity field works.

    Well neither do those that created them fin the first place. Its imaginary technology.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Saucer seperaiton on an Intrepid makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    Especially since it is a fused design where the saucer section flows smoothly into the secondary hull.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    cmdrscarlet wrote: »
    Heck, the ACTD docs for the Excelsior states the saucer separates but only for emergency situations.
    This might very well be the case, but such examples are likely in case of an imminent warp core breach by where a significant portion of the crew can survive on a saucer, thus the need for the feature to be used in STO is redundant, as people aren't going to be running off in their saucers waiting for assistance after their aft section goes boom.

    I would imagine that ships such as the Excelsior, Ambassador and Constitution (all of which are rumoured to have the feature) have the ability to separate in an emergency, whilst not having the ability to reintegrate afterward.

    Regardless, the feature for all of these isn't needed in STO. Sorry, but no. I would much rather the programming/design team work on something else.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,331 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    This might very well be the case, but such examples are likely in case of an imminent warp core breach by where a significant portion of the crew can survive on a saucer, thus the need for the feature to be used in STO is redundant, as people aren't going to be running off in their saucers waiting for assistance after their aft section goes boom.

    I would imagine that ships such as the Excelsior, Ambassador and Constitution (all of which are rumoured to have the feature) have the ability to separate in an emergency, whilst not having the ability to reintegrate afterward.

    Regardless, the feature for all of these isn't needed in STO. Sorry, but no. I would much rather the programming/design team work on something else.

    It was implied somewhere that the guardian might get saucer separation. Does that also grind your gears?
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    westx211 wrote: »
    It was implied somewhere that the guardian might get saucer separation. Does that also grind your gears?
    Well yeah, cause the Guardian doesn't need it, but hell, Cryptic will do what they do best right? :rolleyes:

    I have no objection to Cryptic designing a ship to have a saucer separation mode, or an ability bywhere a ship can split into several (somewhat like the Republic Haakona), but to design a ship and then redesign it so that it comes apart seems like a waste.
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  • cavewarkcavewark Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    in reality the nebula should really get the saucer sep.

    From the startrek encylopedia it was my understanding that the nebula was designed as a means to "recover" the saucer separation from a galaxy class (obviously where the saucer remains in space) while keeping the costs of the secondary hull to a minimum.

    They even did test runs where they swapped the saucers from a nebula and a galaxy to see if the control systems would integrate.

    ANywho I think of any ships that should get a saucer sep I think the nebula would be a good choice I mean half the works already done with the existing saucer module pet from galaxy.

    Although I wish you could choose what went on the saucer and what went on the stardrive section as a "mini build"
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    cavewark wrote: »
    in reality the nebula should really get the saucer sep.
    The only thing the Nebula needs is access to the Venture skin. Likewise, the Galaxy (Dreadnought) could do with having the Monarch skin enabled too.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    The Kumari should get wing separation. Then the wings could fly around like boomerangs.
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  • cannydogcannydog Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Saucer Separation on the T6 Pathfinder...? Please NO! I'm already giving up far too many console slots for that ship's 3 piece set. :(
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    cavewark wrote: »
    in reality the nebula should really get the saucer sep.

    From the startrek encylopedia it was my understanding that the nebula was designed as a means to "recover" the saucer separation from a galaxy class (obviously where the saucer remains in space) while keeping the costs of the secondary hull to a minimum.

    They even did test runs where they swapped the saucers from a nebula and a galaxy to see if the control systems would integrate.
    Actually, both could lead to an interesting feature.

    The Nebula could separate its saucer but could also snatch an enemy saucer while its own is detached and use it as an expendable second hull (without shields) granting more health and 1-2 additional phaser beam arrays.

    The catch would be the saucer takes all damage as long as it's captured. If it is destroyed while still being carried, the Nebula takes more damage from the explosion than from a normal close explosion. So better know when to release it.

    That'd be a nice troll ship just to annoy the Galaxy owners even more.:D
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  • chainfallchainfall Member Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Personally I always liked the idea of the Nebula perhaps getting it...Nebula is a nice little ship but could probably use some umpf just like the Galaxy could.

    http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/220/c/3/attack_pattern_gamma_four_by_overseer-d5a0wpq.jpg

    Always liked this pic...

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